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State hunts bogus grouper
More than a dozen Tampa Bay area restaurants have been subpoenaed.
By TERRY TOMALIN
Published November 22, 2006
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Fish from several restaurants has been tested in the investigation.
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[Times photo: Douglas R. Clifford]
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The Florida Attorney General's Office has subpoenaed records from more than a dozen Tampa Bay area restaurants as part of an investigation into the sale of fake grouper. Investigators are seeking purchase orders, vendor invoices and a list of wholesale providers from chain restaurants such as Hooters and the Winghouse, as well as independent operators such as the Fourth Street Shrimp Store in St. Petersburg. The attorney general's investigation began after a St. Petersburg Times story on Aug. 6 disclosed that six of 11 area restaurants in a random survey advertised grouper but served something else. One Palm Harbor restaurant charged $23.95 for "champagne braised black grouper" that was actually tilapia. Fish from several restaurants have been tested in the attorney general's investigation. "I am not at liberty to say how many restaurants were tested or discuss the results," said JoAnn Carrin, a spokeswoman for the attorney general. "I can say that the fact that these businesses were subpoenaed does not imply guilt." Carrin said that the investigation is continuing and that the state had conducted its own DNA testing. According to a subpoena issued to the Fourth Street Shrimp Store on Nov. 16, "The general purpose and scope of this investigation extends to the possible unfair and deceptive trade practices." The documents in question concern "customer orders for menu items relating to 'grouper' during the period September 3, 2006, through October 13, 2006." Vicki Loges of the Fourth Street Shrimp Store said she was not aware that any of her restaurant's products were tested. "The Shrimp Store has never purchased anything but grouper," she said. "We buy our grouper from one supplier and it is certified as grouper." Chuck Riley, purchasing director for the Hooters chain, said three of his company's restaurants were tested and then subpoenaed. "They told us that they pulled samples from three of our stores and all three said that they were not grouper," he said. "We don't know what is going on. We get our grouper from Thailand and it is certified by the government there as grouper. If it isn't, we are going to have re-think what we put on the menu." Larry Jackson, owner of the Casual Clam on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Street N in St. Petersburg, said his records were subpoenaed and he will hand-deliver them to state officials today. "We want to cooperate any way we can," Jackson said. "The invoice says grouper, the box says grouper; we thought we were buying grouper." According to some industry insiders, fish substitution is so prevalent in Florida that it may be unstoppable. In May, a federal grand jury indicted a Panama City seafood wholesaler on charges of importing 1-million pounds of frozen Asian catfish for as little as $1.52 a pound, then passing it off as grouper, which can wholesale for four times as much. That same month, the Times purchased grouper meals from 11 restaurants around the bay area. Therion International, an animal DNA testing service in Saratoga, N.Y., determined that five of the restaurant samples were fakes. They included an Asian catfish called basa, tilapia and European hake. A sixth fish could not be identified, except that it was not of the grouper genus. Last month in California, the National Fisheries Institute, the nation's largest seafood trade association, approved a new policy requiring all members to sign a pledge that they will not substitute seafood products, a move unprecedented in the industry. Bob Jones, president of the Southeastern Fisheries Association, said the Times article was discussed in length at the conference. "Those kind of things go all through the industry, from St. Pete to Kalamazoo to Sacramento to Portland," Jones said. Jones said the Florida Restaurant Association distributed a flier about grouper substitution at a recent food show in Tampa. The story "was a catalyst for a lot of players in the game and they are sure covering their fannies." Times staff writers Stephen Nohlgren and Melanie Ave contributed to this report. Terry Tomalin can be reached at tomalin@sptimes.com or at 727-893-8808. The Florida Office of the Attorney General has subpoenaed records from the following businesses:
Casual Cracker Inc. d.b.a.* Casual Clam 1304 26th Ave. N, St. Petersburg
Daniel Wesner d.b.a. Fish Tales Seafood House 1500 Second St. S, St. Petersburg
Ker Inc. d.b.a. WingHouse I, and WingHouse III 7491 Ulmerton Road, Largo
Seminole Family Restaurant Inc. d.b.a. Seminole Family Restaurant 6864 Seminole Blvd., Seminole
4th Street Shrimp Store Inc. d.b.a. Fourth Street Shrimp Store 1006 Fourth Street N, St. Petersburg
Hometown Restaurants Inc. d.b.a. Sunshine City Grill 1934 Hawaii Ave. NE, St. Petersburg
Winghouse IV Inc. d.b.a. Ker’s Winghouse 7491 Ulmerton Road, Suite B, Largo
WingHouse of Lakeland LLC d.b.a. Winghouse of Lakeland c/o: Fowler, White, Boggs & Banker 501 E Kennedy Blvd., Suite 1700, Tampa
Sunset Again Inc. d.b.a. Woody’s Waterfront Café 420 55th Ave., St. Pete Beach
AQA, Inc. d.b.a. Coquina Blue 1840 SW 22nd St., 4th Floor, Miami
Hooters of Clearwater Inc. d.b.a. Hooters 107 Hampton Road, Suite 200, Clearwater
Hooters of South Tampa Inc. d.b.a. Hooters of South Tampa 107 Hampton Road, Suite 200, Clearwater
Hooters II Inc. d.b.a. Hooters 107 Hampton Road, Suite 200, Clearwater
Veterans Iguana, Inc. d.b.a. Green Iguana Bar & Grill 1710 East Seventh Ave., Suite 100, Tampa
La Teresita, Inc. d.b.a. La Teresita Cafeteria 3318 W Woodlawn Ave., Tampa
Shady Leaf Corp. d.b.a. Oaks Bar & Grill 505 129th Ave. E, Madeira Beach
*doing business as
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by Steve
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10/22/07 11:52 AM
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I work in the seafood biz. Most people don't know. If it tastes good, who cares? Most of these guys are using what is known as SWAI fillet. Would you eat Swai? But if you c grouper,itis appetizing. FL is trying 2 protect the dying fishing industry.
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by Debbie
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02/02/07 07:03 PM
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I worked at Woody's for 3 years. I might not have agree'd with everything Dave and Marlene did. But when ever there was a grouper shortage, or they were just plain out, we were ALWAYS told to Let the People know that it was NOT grouper,
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by Norman Snider
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12/30/06 04:55 AM
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My only concerns would be:
1. Is the fish fresh?
2. Does it look and taste like Grouper?
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by BOB
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12/13/06 04:57 PM
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Grouper is caught all over the world not just the gulf, as long as it's good quality who cares. people have no problem buying frozen cod haddock ect. it's served in most resturants.. shame on frauds who sell tilapia ect.for grouper
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by terry
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12/10/06 07:23 PM
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I have been fishing grouper for years in our local waters grouper will have a very thick white large flaky meat, and you will not find it at a all you can eat grouper special for 7.99. Chances are if its less than 3/4 of an inch thick it aint local g
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by joe
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12/10/06 02:12 AM
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Going on for at least fifteen years:)
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by patrick
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12/10/06 01:59 AM
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Been going on for years and everybody's been eating it! Ha! Ha! Ha!
been there done that.
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by Pat
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12/07/06 10:55 PM
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I don't believe this is an issue that we should point the finger at the restaurants. Thay are selling what there vendor is "knowingly selling" them. And until the the DNA testing process is mandated, certain vendors will continue to abuse the system.
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by James
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12/07/06 10:09 AM
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Reversal - A local Publix store assured me the catfish I asked for was not grouper. I think I purchased grouper instead of catfish. Now, catfish orders look and taste like catfish, and that person doesn't work at that particular store anymore. HHMMMM
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by Dave
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12/04/06 06:59 PM
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Restaurants have knowingly been doing this for years. Also "scallops" have been punched from rays as long as I can remember. About time somebody did something
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by Jeremy
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12/04/06 03:56 PM
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Just goes to show, people can't tell between the taste of grouper and catfish, grouper is overated. alot of other FRESH fish is just as good
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by Kiki
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12/02/06 07:15 PM
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Also, Managers should know where the fish they want are. Any smart person knows that the only place "REAL red snapper" is caught is in the Gulf. Anywhere else, its just "snapper". If you label it "red snapper" You are committing a crime.
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by Kiki
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12/02/06 07:09 PM
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My friend-a tilapia lover,went to a restaraunt she'd never been to before for tilapia. Well she ate the "tilapia",got sick & was hospitalized-she never touched the other food. Of course it wasn't tilapia... So this is an economic and a safety issue!
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by Dermataphyote
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12/01/06 02:50 PM
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OH , i thought when i ordered for the whole table it was GROUPER.
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by Bryan
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12/01/06 06:17 AM
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I don't see a problem with this. The only thing that might be wrong is the price. Our grouper population is being destroyed by commercial fishing we need to do something but nobody listens.
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by Matt
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11/28/06 08:09 AM
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Being a grouper fisher "recreational" I have ate at many restaraunts that pass off some fish as grouper. One way to tell other than taste is the way the meat flakes apart. Catfish flakes are narrow, grouper tend to be much thicker.
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by Steve
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11/26/06 11:00 AM
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In regards to Hooters. On the menu they say Groupers couisan to me it is not Grouper and they are telling us this
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by eric
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11/25/06 07:03 PM
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grouper tastes a lot like whatever you season it with.there is resturant in gasparilla were i bought a grouper sandwich and i swear it was sheepshead. i told them just that and had em take it back. sincerly voltman ft myers florida
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by matt
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11/25/06 06:59 PM
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they were passing somthing im not sure what off as grouper and i now for a fact it was not.
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by steve
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11/25/06 05:26 PM
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I ordered grouper from the Sailfish Marina restaurant in Palm Beach Shores and it was definetly not grouper. I have caught numerous grouper in Florida and the bahamas and can recognize the fillet. the fillet was much too skinny for its length.
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by CRASH
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11/24/06 03:35 PM
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BAUGHT "GROUPER" AT WALMART IN LAKE CITY BACK IN SEPTEMBER, LOOKED AND TASTED A LOT LIKE TILOPIA, THAUGHT SOMETHING WAS STRANGE.
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by joy
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11/22/06 08:36 PM
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I think that our local resturants should get their fish from our local fish houses. We have alot of hard working fisher man that would be glad to catch the fish for our local fish houses and and our fish houses would be glad to sell to the resturant
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by LJ
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11/22/06 07:36 PM
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2 Words: Dockside Daves
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by Wm
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11/22/06 07:02 PM
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almost ALL* restaurants in Florida are serving something-OTHER than Grouper*** We really need ENFORCEMENT***
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by mickee
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11/22/06 04:05 PM
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I love grouper and have had it in many returants including Hooters, and have noticed at times that it just did not have the correct flavor, now I know, shame on all the resturants who have decieved us, especially considering the prices they charge...
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by P.T.Barnum
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11/22/06 03:34 PM
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There's one born every minute...
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by Jeff
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11/22/06 03:25 PM
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The real problem is Grouper is getting harder to find. We need to find a solution to the dwindling fish populations. Fish Farming or something!
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by Jeanette
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11/22/06 03:04 PM
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That's why you need to eat at Dockside Dave's only!
Best Grouper in the South...Southern living Magazine!
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by KJ
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11/22/06 02:49 PM
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I've challenged restaurants on this. They ALL lie and get away with it.Maybe they need to be paid with fake money.
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by Jean
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11/22/06 01:50 PM
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Thank you for reporting what locals in St Pete Bch have known for years. Woody's Waterfront does NOT sell real grouper. Be sure to investigate Oyster Shucker too. The truth will prevail!
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by Clarence
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11/22/06 12:43 PM
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Thank you S.P.Times for bringing this desception to national attention.
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by Cheri
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11/22/06 11:45 AM
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I have always heard that grocery stores and restaurants also sell scallops which are really punched out stink ray or whatever?!?!! Might want to do some testing on that also.
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by Barbara
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11/22/06 10:57 AM
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Here's an argument for getting fish from local sources. How many restaurant goers who order grouper at a non-chain restaurant in a coastal area think that the grouper they ordered came from local waters. Buy local!
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by Virginia
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11/22/06 10:44 AM
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If I had known that grouper is purchased in Thailand, Never would I have eaten it. Yuk! No more grouper for me!
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by Bernie
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11/22/06 10:43 AM
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Shows you how many SUCKERS there are!
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