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15 Serbs face questions about past
Accused of lying on immigration forms, they are asked about the '90s war.
By LANE DEGREGORY
Published December 13, 2006
ST. PETERSBURG - The immigration officers came before 5 a.m. Monday, pounding on the doors of 15 St. Petersburg homes. Slavko Krsmanovic, 17, woke to flashlights on his porch, eight agents pointing guns at his house. They wanted his dad. He told them his dad was driving his mom to work. So the agents waited until Strahinja Krsmanovic came home. "As soon as he got out of the car, they handcuffed him behind his back and arrested him," Slavko said. "They kept calling him 'the suspect.' What did he do?" * * * All of the immigrants arrested are men between age 40 and 60. Most are husbands and fathers who work two jobs to pay mortgages. They all belong to St. Sava Serbian Orthodox Church. They were part of a wave of about 3,000 Serbs who came to St. Petersburg as refugees in the early 1990s, during the war that dissected Yugoslavia. The 15 men are suspected of lying on their immigration applications, of falsifying their permanent resident papers. Officials say they also could be connected to, or know something about, war crimes that happened 11 years ago. Agents took the men's passports and green cards. Then they took them to jail. Customs agents asked the men whether they had served in the Serbian army. And where they were stationed in July 1995. * * * The arrests were the most recent in a series of Serbian roundups across the country. In August 2004, immigration officials in Boston jailed a Serb they said had committed war crimes. In March 2006, immigration officials in Phoenix arrested 24 Serbs suspected of atrocities. Those men allegedly took part in a July 1995 massacre at a farm outside Srebrenica, where a reported 1,200 Muslims were gunned down. The St. Petersburg men might have information about the massacre, said prosecutor Donald Hansen from the U.S. Attorney's Office. "Through work at the Hague, we're still finding out who was in the units that did the massacres," Hansen said. The 15 men were charged with denying that they had been in the military. They said relief workers told them if they admitted to being soldiers, they wouldn't be allowed to emigrate to the United States. During that war, every man age 17 or older had to serve, said Father Stephan Zaremba, priest at the Serbian church. "Those who refused were sent to concentration camps or shot," he said. "What would you do?" By Tuesday morning, 10 of the St. Petersburg Serbs had been questioned and released. The remaining five were scheduled to appear in federal court at 2 p.m. Only four were there when Judge Thomas McCoun III called the court to order. They shuffled in slowly, heavy chains dragging between their ankles, orange jumpsuits sagging across their slumped shoulders. The bailiff gave each man headphones, and a translator stood by a microphone. The bailiff explained that the fifth man, Ostoja Saric, wasn't there because "he wasn't on the list." The judge asked each man's wife to take the stand. None of them spoke English. Sekula Bilic's case was called first. He's 37, a construction worker, the youngest of the four men. When his wife walked toward the judge shaking, he smashed his fist into his dark eyes. They had been married 15 years and lived in Florida for six. They had a $69,500 mortgage on a little house on Seventh Street in St. Petersburg. And they had three children, ages 13, 10 and 3. The charge of falsifying immigration papers carries a maximum sentence of 10 years, the prosecutor said. If the men also were charged with war crimes, they could be sent to jail or back to Bosnia. The judge told each man to hire an attorney. In two weeks, he said, they would have to come back to court for their hearings. Until then, the men would have to stay in jail, unless their wives were willing to put up $50,000 bonds. One by one, the women all signed over their homes: Strahinja Krsmanicvoc, whose husband is a computer tech, whose two youngest sons were home when the agents came. Ljila Kordic, whose husband works in manufacturing, who has a son and daughter. Jadranko DGastic is divorced, but his live-in girlfriend took legal responsibility for making sure he didn't skip town. * * * By late Tuesday, the four men were out of jail. Their families didn't ask them about the war, or what had happened so long ago. Most of them never had. They didn't want to know. They had lost everything in the war: family, homes, friends. They had wallowed in refugee camps, fought for permits to get out, come to Florida with just their clothes and determination. For more than a decade, they had worked to buy homes and businesses, send their kids to college. Now everything was crashing down. The past they thought they had escaped still haunted them. "In the old Yugoslavia, 90 percent of us were in the war, and 90 percent of us didn't want to be," said Sladjana Bilic, her eyes red and swollen. "Just because they had to be in the army doesn't mean they were part of a massacre." Scott Raspopovich, who is president of St. Sava Serbian church, doesn't understand why only Serbs are being hauled in for questioning, when Croatians and Muslims also killed people in the war. "If you define war crimes as shooting the enemy, yes, these men probably all did. But what choice did they have?" he said. "Were they involved in those massacres? Not that I know of. If they were, they sure never told anyone." Times news researcher Caryn Baird contributed to this report.
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by Dejan
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11/29/07 06:40 PM
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Just some of the vides im talking about
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VJfERNDN6GQ
And this is the one i was talking about
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hYYbCq6tg5c
Hopefully Americans open up their eyes now and the last video was on BBC CNN and many other
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by E.D
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01/02/07 11:53 AM
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Religion was made up to do this and I see it is still successful. SAD, very SAD
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by e.d.
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01/02/07 11:35 AM
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it is so sad to see how much we hate each other. Kids calling themselfe something thay they will never know really meaning of, hating just because.
Peace for all of you that hate people because of religion.
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by e.d.
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01/02/07 11:31 AM
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I really had fun reading a post from Smilja and Zoran. What place you two came from? I am glad some of the people that was posting comments are still ones who really judge the people by the actions not religion.
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by me me me
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12/22/06 08:45 PM
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ok the moslims were the first ones who started the war. when they killed a serbian man in sarajevo at a wedding who was holding a serb flag..so the serbs just fought back to defend themselves u'd do the same thing if someone did that to uour people.
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by Lazar
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12/20/06 01:53 PM
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In the war serbs croats and muslims all committed atrocities...take over town, bulldoze mosque or church and drive out "others" because not same religion.. serbs got bad rap because they had biggest military....Muslims and Croats murdered plenty too.
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by Aleksandar
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12/20/06 09:52 AM
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During the American civil war Vicksburg was taken by the north in July 4th 1865. I was not until July 4th 1945 that Vicksburg celebrated independence day again. My point... hatred due to a war can last along time.
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by AM
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12/18/06 04:53 PM
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Listen to you guys; most of you don't even know what happened there. I was in concentration camp under Serbs in Trnopolje where most of the killings, rapes took place, we all should pay for our sins if not in this live, GOD will be the judge.
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 04:10 PM
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person does that. Not all Muslims want to persecute that is like labeling all of the extremists in America with all of the normal people. Give me a break. Muslims and Serbs should not get a bad name because of the few people who antagonized this.
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 04:07 PM
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people because they are different than themselves are sick individuals. The mass majority of those killed were Bosnians and there are always going to be those few who abuse the situation and take advantage of the system but that does not mean every
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 04:06 PM
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. I really do not feel bad for these men and ten years in prison if they are sentenced is nothing because they still have their LIFE, they are not dead. That is actually a joke. Both sides are at fault but anyone who mass murders another creed of
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 04:04 PM
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I believe that everyone should come to this country legally and not lie so that they are entitled to things that they don't deserve. These Serbian men probably do work hard, but who doesn't? I am American and I have a mortgage. So do Bosnian Muslims
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 03:58 PM
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who are Serbs and it is a shame to see that as soon as bad memories are brought up so is all of this hatred. It is absolutely disgusting and filthy that people can actually be proud and stand behind such terrible actions. Why not celebrate peace?
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 03:56 PM
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make peace. Those Serbs who are trying to escape their past should still be punished for their actions in their country before they are entitled to a life of freedom and rights in ours. My fiancee is Bosnian and Muslim and he has several friends
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 03:54 PM
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It has already been established that the Serbs initiated cruel actions against the Muslims and slaughtered thousands of innocent people. But a war is a war- both sides participating. I think that all of the people who immigrated here should try to
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by Leslie
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12/18/06 03:41 PM
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I seriously do not understand why there is still so much hatred amongst both sides. The past is the past and there is no reason to continue such a passionate hatred towards each other when both sides are trying to better themselves.
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by Natasa
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12/17/06 11:17 AM
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Sadly, some of the people here again cannot hide their happiness that Serbs are suffering, once again, being singled out, once again, and being discriminated against based on their ethnicity and religion once again.
Sad and pathetic!
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by Ivana
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12/16/06 07:56 PM
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Obviously the same people r repeating themselves here with the things that r stuck in their heads so there is no point in commenting to the same BS over & over again. World had seen what happened & they're reacting. Slowly & gradualy :o)
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by Milena
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12/16/06 01:20 PM
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Ivana, when many turn against your people and when all of them are calling your people Chetnick just because they are Serbs, you will have a stronger need to accept these labels and stand up for your people even if you always lived in the U.S.
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by Michele
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12/16/06 01:05 PM
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Your article cought my attention because I am a Serb American born second generation. My grandparents founded the St. Sava church. I hope these immigrants are found "not guilty" and left along to get on with their lives. What a nightmare.
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by Aleksandar
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12/16/06 11:00 AM
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During the war Ali Izetbegovic was Bosnia's leader. Perhaps Ivana should read his book and then she would know why Serbs called him and his Bonsnian followers fundamentalists.
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by Aleksandar
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12/16/06 10:57 AM
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Ivana sounds young and naieve. When Muslims are in the minority they are peaceful and want to coexist. When they are in the majority they are merciless brutal. There is not a single Muslim country where Christians are not persecuted.
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by A.J.
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12/16/06 07:07 AM
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CNN: Bosnia grave yields more than 100 bodies; The victims in the Gorice mass grave are believed to be non-Serbs; The report says Bosnian Serbs rounded up about 2,000 Muslims in the vicinity of Banja Luka and Sanski Most, beat many of them and killed
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by BILJANA
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12/15/06 08:07 PM
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I think that this is not fair why are they only going after the serbs. what about the muslims and croats that were there also why arent they being questioned. WHY ONLY THE SERBS????? WHY??
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by Biljana
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12/15/06 08:05 PM
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i think that the serbs were not the only onbes in the war and that they should not be the only ones questioned for this. what about the muslims and croats that were there also...
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by Ivana
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12/15/06 07:27 PM
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U shouldn't just defend some1 if u don't know what they have done just 'cause they're ur religion. U should wait & c what comes out of all this & know that Croatian & Muslim ppl who did stuff in Bosnia will b cought as well sooner or later.
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by Ivana
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12/15/06 07:23 PM
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My dad was in concentration camp w/ 100s of other men 'cause he is Catholic and they were Muslims. He witnessed Seselj's army commit different things & I hope they & all others who did things like this 2 muslim, catholic and serbian ppl rott in hell
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by Ivana
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12/15/06 07:17 PM
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Kids that I've mentioned earlier who are so young that they weren't even born in Bosnia are posting pictures of Mladic and Karadzic on their MySpace pages and calling THEMSELVES CHETNIKS FOR LIFE so I wonder who tought them that....
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by Ivana
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12/15/06 07:14 PM
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I am still not understanding WHY are you classifing Bosnian or any other muslims to the Islamic fundamentalists? Does that give the others OK to classify Serbs with the monsters of Russia who poisoning people who they don't agree with?
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by smilja
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12/15/06 04:04 PM
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Muslims used propaganda and lies because they seized and were holding TV and radio stations during the war and broadcasted many lies about Serbs.
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by Mira
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12/15/06 04:03 PM
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Some of pics of the people starving of hunger broadcasted by Muslims and claimed to be Moslem mistreated solders in concentration camps held by Serbs, were actually found to be pictures of the mistreated Serbs in concentration camps held by Muslims.
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by Zoran
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12/15/06 04:01 PM
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When Moslims broadcasted massacre in Saraevo, it could be seen that those bodies used were actually dolls, not a real people sprinkled with red paint to resemble blood.
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by Aleksandar
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12/15/06 12:03 PM
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As a memeber of St Sava Church no one has ever preached hatred of Muslims or Croats as Ivana says. If you want to look at hate in religion then look no futher than the religion that promises you heaven if you kill someone of another faith in a Jihad.
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by Aleksandar
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12/15/06 11:14 AM
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The homeland security is really protection us but the last time I checked no Serb every flew jet into a building in NYC. I suggest the US focus catching Osama Bin Laden and leave the Serbs alone.
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by Aleksandar
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12/15/06 11:11 AM
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Nasir Oric's troops killed and raped Serbs in and around Srebrenica and got a 2 year sentence and released for time served in jail while Serbs can face 10 years for lying on immigration papers!!
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