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It's a battle not written in stone

By SHERRI DAY
Published January 3, 2007


Von and Delma Perrine of Old Town saw news of Dixie County's new six-ton granite 10 Commandments monument on TV while on vacation in Ohio, so once they got home they decided to see it in person.
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Ten Commandments
Should a six-ton monument featuring the Bible's Ten Commandments be displayed at Dixie County courthouse?
Yes, America was founded on Biblical values.
No, there should be a separation between church and state.

CROSS CITY - To government officials, it was a simple request: A local business owner wanted to donate a monument of the Ten Commandments and place it on the steps of the Dixie County Courthouse.

The commissioners, all professed Christians, approved the gift and its placement outside the building in the center of town that is home to several government agencies, including the County Commission.

The monument, a chunk of black granite, went up after Thanksgiving. It stands more than 5 feet tall, weighs 6 tons and cost $20,000.

Word about the rock spread, all the way to Gainesville, leading atheists and agnostics there to contact the Freedom From Religion Foundation. They are threatening a lawsuit if the commission doesn't reverse itself and remove the monument.

There's just one problem: the foundation can't find anyone in this rural county of roughly 14,000 residents to participate in the proposed lawsuit.

Locals are unlikely to back the foundation's efforts, confirmed Shelly Cannon, who works in the courthouse.

"Mostly our big flak has been from people in big cities," Cannon said. "One guy from Tallahassee came all the way down here to tell every office that he supported it. You're going to have some non-Christians, but if people practiced it, the world would be a better place."

All the posturing on both sides has made Dixie County the latest battleground in the debate over the separation of church and state.

News crews from across the country have taken notice. In late November, Fox News' Hannity & Colmes featured a debate between the county's former attorney and a University of Florida atheist. National newspapers, including the Washington Post, have called townspeople for interviews. Supporters from all over the country, including Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington, D.C., have phoned to encourage the commissioners, commission secretaries said.

The Thomas More Law Center, a nonprofit public-interest law firm in Michigan that advocates for the religious freedom of Christians, offered to defend the commission for free if the matter winds up in court.

Roy Moore, the Alabama judge who was booted from the bench in 2003 for refusing to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the state courthouse rotunda, also has offered support.

He said the Dixie County conflict is much more than a Florida dispute.

"Do we take 'In God We Trust' from our money?" Moore asked. "Do we take our 'under God' from our pledge? It's about the removal of the acknowledgement of a supreme being, the Judeo-Christian God from which this nation was based, and I say 'No, we can't do that. It's wrong and it's harmful to do that.' "

Residents not keen on outsiders' opinions

The fight - if it can be called that - clearly favors the insiders. Situated about 50 miles west of Gainesville, Dixie County has about 14,000 residents, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. It has four traffic lights, and its primary employers are timber companies and corrections facilities. There are at least 20 churches. On Sundays, locally owned restaurants and liquor stores close up shop.

Residents don't take kindly to outsiders telling them what to do.

"I'm a devout Florida State fan," said Hoyt "Buddy" Lamb, a county commissioner and faithful Baptist. "When I go to Gainesville, I see this Gator logo displayed on the street corners and all. But I hadn't went over there and said, 'That offends me. I want them removed because I'm a devout Seminole fan.' I don't think it's my business to go over there and tell them to do that any more than it is their business to come here and tell us what to do."

The foundation's supporters, who number 8,000 atheists and agnostics nationwide and 436 in Florida, say that allowing the Ten Commandments to remain on the courthouse steps violates the First Amendment. They also say commissioners are ignoring recent court rulings that prohibit such displays.

"I think it may take a while" to find a local party to the lawsuit, acknowledged Annie Laurie Gaylor, the co-president of the Madison, Wis., foundation, which works to keep religion out of government. "We have a lot of members in Florida. We just don't happen to have anybody in Dixie County."

The lack of a suitable plaintiff in Dixie County disappoints the group's supporters.

"If I lived there, I wouldn't hesitate to put my name as a plaintiff," said Jeff Kirk, 55, a foundation member who lives near Gainesville. "I don't understand why they don't put their monument on private property or church property."

Jeffrey Levine, a dental ceramist from Cape Coral, e-mailed the foundation after he heard about the Dixie County monument on television.

"It just galls me that religious people in this country have to smear their religious glands' secretions all over everything in the public rather than leaving the public institutions religion-neutral," said Levine, 61. "The government should not be endorsing anything to do with religion. I don't even like the religious suggestions on our dollar bills."

Though relatively quiet, there are voices of discontent in Dixie County.

"I'm Native American," Deborah Wright, 42, an aspiring prison guard said last month while looking at the monument. "Are they going to put my Native American Ten Commandments up there? They're only representing one, and we are many."

Allen Cook, a Wiccan who dropped by the courthouse to take a look at the monument, agreed.

"I don't know why they put it up," said Cook, 20, surrounded by a group of his Wiccan friends. "Nobody in Dixie County follows them anyway."

Driving by the courthouse, the Rev. Tommy Wayne Liles saw the youths, one of whom wore a T-shirt decrying false and feeble gods, and stopped.

"God's people need to stand up and be heard," said Liles, his voice booming in the courthouse hallways. "They need to let their voices be heard that they do stand for God."

Monument opponents aren't giving up

So far, it appears to be working. The commission, at least, has its mind set in stone.

"It's a great thing," said Commission Chairman James T. Valentine, a lifelong Dixie County resident and palm tree harvester.

The 59-year-old wears a gold cross pin on his lapel and testifies that he was healed from paralysis at 11 years old by a group of hard-praying Pentecostals. "I believe in the Ten Commandments. I stand for it. It didn't cost the county a dime."

Foundation leaders say they intend to keep trying.

Recently, they got a call from a Dixie County resident who refused to join the lawsuit but called to express support.

"We haven't given up," Gaylor said. "At this time of year, people are so busy. Lawsuits can sometimes take a long time to file. In terms of putting on a lawsuit, this is nothing."

Times researcher Cathy Wos contributed to this report. Sherri Day can be reached at 813-226-3405 or sday@sptimes.com

Dixie County

Where: 55 miles west of Gainesville

Population: 13,827

Churches: About 20

Faith: Majority evangelical Christian

Largest Denomination : Southern Baptist

Source: The U.S. Census Bureau and the Association of Religion Data Archives

[Last modified January 3, 2007, 00:56:34]


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by Marilyn 02/12/07 10:27 PM
Leave the monument alone. We are thankful to the God that the you don't believe in that we are blessed with the county commissioners that we have. Outsiders need to mind their own business, Dixie Country doesn't need their interference.
by Uche 02/07/07 06:22 PM
ACLU whatever this association is should really slow their role because are there messing with God's property. Well u all know God is really a patient God he will get each an everyone of u keep on testing his faith . U shall one day regret ACLU!
by mary 01/25/07 10:01 PM
Dixie County is one of the most crooked counties out there! They probably only put the 10 Commandments out there to get attention or more $ for the crooked politicians,sheriff,& deputy sheriffs.
by Charlene 01/23/07 03:06 PM
I stand behind the people of Dixie County 100%, and my brother-in-law the Rev. Tommy Liles. It is time that we stood up for God and what is right.
by bob 01/21/07 11:26 PM
Perhaps we could compromise and put the Lord's Prayer in front of the courthouse and be reminded to forgive those who trespass against us. If it's a Christian country, why lead with the Old Testament?
by Eldon 01/10/07 09:09 AM
Why does the Freedom from Religion people have to go looking for disputes. If no one from the county speaks up, why can't they leave it alone? No one is forcing them to go there and look at the momument. Pay attention to their own backyards.
by Chumly 01/06/07 11:37 AM
Whenever you give the government the power to do something for you, you give it the power to do something TO you. Those seeking to give the govt the power to proselytize had better be wary of things like this. Majority rule is only so unlike tyranny.
by Dave 01/04/07 04:18 PM
The Bill of Rights garantees freedom of religion. The 10 Commandments prohibit freedom of religion. They have no business being in front of a building that is supposed to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
by Patrick 01/04/07 04:06 PM
The Treaty of Tripoli was unanimously approved by the Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by President John Adams. It states: "...the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." It's Christians who are lying.
by RevTerry 01/04/07 03:55 PM
Jefferson's "wall" illustrates 1st Am. separation developed protecting Baptists from other sects, & mob tyranny over rights not legitimately decided by political votes. Amoral political tyranny invalidates the rule of law & any semblance of justice.
by Rosalie 01/04/07 11:11 AM
Monument should stay. There is no separation of Church and State. Only Hugo Black and the ACLU have prescribed this to be so. The way Hugo Black decided there should be a separation of church and state, the Supreme Court today can reverse this.
by Sal 01/04/07 10:15 AM
I live in Dixie and in my experience, you won't see a Plaintiff to the suit from here because their life would be in danger. The hypocrisy is thick here. Yesterday I saw a bumper with a sticker of the confederate flag and next to it a sticker- WWJD
by Brandon 01/04/07 03:18 AM
It's a court not a Church... 1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 2) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. 3) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is heaven above or that is in t
by Jeffrey 01/03/07 09:48 PM
It is so sad to see so many "good" Americans willing to disrespect our constitution and fellow citizens in the spirit of fine ignorant christian bigotry.Government is not allowed to endorse one religion over another.Religion enslaves the mind.
by Athena 01/03/07 09:33 PM
I am pagan(wiccan) and this monument does NOT offend me nor does the one in front of our local courthouse. The 10 commandments boast no ill will toward anyone and,to me,a granite display is not a violation of anyones rights-maybe add a pentacle? lol
by Denise 01/03/07 08:12 PM
Have no other gods before me is NOT American law(yet!)Religious government is historically bad-Taliban, Cromwell etc. Religion is good, its just not good to mix with government as it tends to become unfair and oppressive.
by Steve 01/03/07 08:05 PM
Amen, what erik said. Free exercise thereof. God bless all the atheists, forgive them. They really don't know what they are doing. Pray for them instead of fighting over words.
by Vicki 01/03/07 07:44 PM
There have been 5 murders in Orlando this year and it's only January 3rd. I say the folks in Dixie County are doing something right. Maybe Orange County should follow suit and get a Ten Commandent Monument. Let's try standing for something GOOD."GO"
by Judy 01/03/07 06:56 PM
You Non religeous people that say you are "over it" should move to another Country. I do not hear any complaints when you are cashing your paycheck for cold hard cash. I say IT STAYS.
by John 01/03/07 06:52 PM
It seems to me after kicking GOD out of all we have, we have nothing left but our blaming our problems on him. Wise up folks before it is too late. Prove to me he isn't around. Where did you naysayers put your "666?"
by Dennis 01/03/07 06:39 PM
Again people who do not live in an area want to control the ones who do. Our laws reflect the 10 commandments and they SHOULD be displayed. The separation of Church and State. People go read the Constitution and the Ammendment first then talk.
by erik 01/03/07 05:21 PM
To all you naysayers What part of "Or prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof" don't you understand!
by Judy 01/03/07 04:37 PM
I would rather live my life believing there is a God and dying to find out there isn't, than to live my life believing there is no God and dying to find out there is. The monument should stay.
by Vicky 01/03/07 04:35 PM
I agree with Michelle. GO MICHELLE... AMEN!!!I know where I am going, do you??? Let me know what I can do to HELP.
by Michelle 01/03/07 04:35 PM
want them there what's it you. You don't see them. I see them everyday and it's wonderful. For those that don't like it, it sounds to me like you need to go find an alter some where and pray. That's what we need in this Country alot more PRAYER!!
by Michelle 01/03/07 04:33 PM
If you notice the majority of people that have a problem with the monument don't even live there. Get out of your big crime ridden county and come over here for awhile and you will find out why we believe in the Ten commandments so much and if we....
by Terri 01/03/07 04:32 PM
The source of all war is religion, we do not need it in our government. BUT on the other hand, if they wish to be into govenment businss...LET THE CHURHES PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES. Then they will have a voice with me, otherwise, get rid of it.
by Chris 01/03/07 04:28 PM
They can't find anyone in Dixie to be a Plantiff, well it IS THEIR County. They should be able to do as they please. So many people come to Florida and try to change it. As for Mr. Levine, the dollar bill has said "in God we trust" longer than 61yrs
by Linda 01/03/07 03:47 PM
I love that God is in control. Look how he lets those with guilty consciences squirm in discontent. God Bless Dixie County!
by Lori 01/03/07 03:18 PM
I don't believe in your fairy tale of 'god' -- so can I put up a stone etching in your church stating that?
by Tom 01/03/07 02:58 PM
I'm Not a Church Goer but I Like the Monument and it's Location! I see it at least 3 times a week and really like it! I wish People Outside of Dixie County would Mind Their Own Business!
by Anath 01/03/07 02:23 PM
Leave the monument. This will give non-christians fair warning not to expect fairness or justice from the judges of Cross City. They will know that they will be judged on what religion they follow not by the laws of the state.
by Frank 01/03/07 02:21 PM
Who cares!
by Lisa 01/03/07 02:09 PM
The problem is that it is a religious symbol. It does not belong there. What if another religion wants something there too? Something similar from their faith? Lets say the Church of Scientology? Most of you would be the first to complain. Hypocrisy?
by Greg 01/03/07 01:47 PM
Don't forget that two of the Commandments were used as proof texts by pro-slavery apologists as proof that God condones slavery. Does a county named "Dixie" really want a monument to pro-slavery apologists?
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