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UCF, FIU reject 'state college' plan
The Board of Governors hears resistance to an idea that some schools focus on undergraduates.
By SHANNON COLAVECCHIO-VAN SICKLER
Published January 25, 2007
BOCA RATON - State university leaders are a long way from deciding whether to establish a separate group of colleges dedicated solely to undergraduate education. But the presidents of two of Florida's fastest growing and most ambitious schools made it clear Wednesday that if such a group is ever created, they have no interest in being members. The presidents of the University of Central Florida and Florida International University dismissed the notion they would abandon their research ambitions and graduate programs. "It doesn't matter how big the carrot is, we don't want to opt in," FIU president Mitch Maidique said at a meeting of the Board of Governors, which oversees Florida's 11 public universities. "As we try to recruit at least one member of the National Academy in the weeks ahead, having it suggested that our status be altered is not helpful," said UCF president John Hitt. "It's not helpful to have this hanging over us." The recommendation to create a so-called "state college" system is just one of several suggested fixes outlined by Pappas Consulting Group Inc., hired by the board last year to give a blunt assessment of the system. And it's not a new idea. In the late 1990s, then-Chancellor Adam Herbert tried and failed to establish a three-tier system of universities, with the University of South Florida, Florida State University and the University of Florida at the top. FIU and UCF were in the middle tier. But Pappas' state college idea may be more controversial, mainly due to the growing competition among Florida universities. UF is the state's flagship, the only one in the invitation-only Association of American Universities. FSU and USF are vying to get in, and UCF and FIU last year got Board of Governors' approval to build medical schools likely to boost their national profiles and the research money they pull in. Pappas, to Hitt's dismay, cited UCF as one of six colleges that could be included in a system to award only bachelor's degrees. But Pappas vice president Stephen Portch stressed Wednesday that there would have to be an "opt-in" system, where existing institutions get financial incentives for changing their focus. He agreed that the "carrot" needed to pull in an ambitious school like UCF, already a leader in research areas like optics and photonics, may be too expensive and impractical at this point. More practical, Portch and Pappas CEO Alceste T. Pappas suggested, would be to turn large branch campuses and community colleges into undergraduate institutions. Even private independent universities could be part of it, they said. The Board made no decisions Wednesday, and cautioned university leaders not to get upset or lose sight of the state's needs. Fast Facts: Your thoughts The board that oversees Florida's 11 universities is seeking public input on a consultant's recent evaluation of the state's higher education system. There will be a public workshop Feb. 27 at the University of Central Florida in Orlando. Also, the chancellor's office has set up a Web site that includes copies of the report, as well as a blog and opinion survey the Board of Governors will use as it creates a master plan for the state university system's future. Go to www.flbog.org/ForwardByDesign/
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by Ted
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06/13/07 11:43 AM
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Id rather work/live/goto school in Orlando/Tallahassee/Tampa than friggin G-ville. Oh yeah, im not 18 and mommy and daddy didnt pay for my education. A lot of jobs in Gville? Didnt think so...
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by Kenny
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04/25/07 01:48 PM
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I like the plan. As it stands, UF and FSU are in the top 126 schools in the nation. USF follows in tier 3 and moving up quickly. Then follows UCF/FIU/FAU in tier 4. Tim and KerrJMF need to catch up with the REAL news.
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by Robin
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02/06/07 12:34 PM
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Make the 2 year community colleges into the bachelor degree colleges where they can offer AA or bachelor degrees. I believe Miami Dade "College" is expanding that way now.
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by Justin
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01/26/07 07:43 PM
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UCF's engineering program would cease to exist if this change were applied. UCF professors are too heavily invloved in research (esp. engineering and educatipn) to accept this. They would just go elsewhere, likely out of state! Who chose these guys?
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by UF grad
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01/26/07 05:11 PM
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UF and FSU should be at the top. UCF/USF/FIU are not even close to the level of these two schools. Just look at the national rankings if you need proof.
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by Christa
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01/25/07 10:55 PM
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Pappas consulting firm is out of touch. To dilute UCF and FIU to undergraduate status would be a severe waste of taxpayer money. UCF has made great strides in being a leading partnership university - being an economic driver and fueling growth.
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by James
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01/25/07 10:27 PM
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Under what qualifications does Pappas operate. It sounds to me like someone's getting paid a lot of money to play in the sandbox.
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by Tim
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01/25/07 10:17 PM
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Why not just cancel USF's undergraduate program, because it is such a joke. UCF's Freshmen profile blows away USF's. UCF is fast becoming the #2 College choice in FLA for HS Seniors. Schools like USF and FSU view UCF as a threat.
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by RobertG
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01/25/07 08:28 PM
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This is the stupidest idea I ever heard, So only "select" can be Grad programs... Very stupid and it only maintains Research in certain parts of FL, it hurts Orlando exp bc FIU already has Med School and research bc UM.
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by Fernando
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01/25/07 07:22 PM
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This is the most ridiculous idea I have ever seen. I for one would fight it with every fiber of my being. They need to leave UCF and FIU alone. Elitism has no business in this state.
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by Jeff
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01/25/07 06:13 PM
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So let me get this right, If I want a graduate degree I can only live in three places in this state to get it.
If I'm a working person trying to better myself then this idea says "tough luck". How stupid is this ???
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by Reality Check
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01/25/07 04:15 PM
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Why are FIU/UCF being singled out for demotion when Florida is in desperate need of more Research focused Univ.? If we as a State want to grow beyond the Service/Agri. economy we desperately need more Research Univ. to create a competitive workforce.
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by drew
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01/25/07 02:23 PM
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Both FSU, USF and UF already have established medical and graduate programs. Hard truth is there's only so much money, it should be spent where it's needed, not doled out so no one has anything because some schools don't like feeling inferior.
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by Thomas Breslin
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01/25/07 02:22 PM
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To afford the higher education needs of the entire, growing state, Florida willl have to follow the example of Virginia and put its oldest public universities on an endowment-based budget..
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by Matt
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01/25/07 02:22 PM
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As a graduate studnet this a great idea ... undergrad education has been so watered down anyway, might as well designate certain schools for it
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by KerrJMF
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01/25/07 02:09 PM
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The research underway at UCF put the University far beyond the boundaries that limit a school to "undergraduate only." The quality of education at UCF is already far beyond that of USF, as is the research is many academic fields. USF = third tier.
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by fsu1
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01/25/07 10:57 AM
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There are 2 flagships: FSU and UF by history and tradition. Disappointing I know for UCF/FIU, but huge investments of taxpayer dollars have already been invested in UF/FSU/USF research. Focus on getting it right.
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by West
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01/25/07 10:19 AM
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UF, FSU, and USF at the top sounds good to me. There are too many marginal schools competing for the same pool of money. UCF, St. pete college, and FIU should be undergrad schools only. Talk about degree dilution.
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by Donald
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01/25/07 10:05 AM
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Whatever is chosen, "Let's not "dummy-down" college so we have more graduates with less education" - that would not serve anyone's goals - college is tough - it is suppose to be - if you want it bad enough you WILL find a way - those before you DID !
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by Margot
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01/25/07 09:22 AM
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UF is certainly recognized academically as the top university in the state
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by JP
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01/25/07 09:12 AM
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UF is not the flagship university in the state. The state has no official "flagship university" although the legislature has proposed this idea for years.
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by Laurie
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01/25/07 08:27 AM
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UCF has already established a strong relationship with Orlando and Space Coast area businesses as they partner in important scientific research. To reduce or weaken that activity would be detrimental to the economies of both areas.
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by Sharon
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01/25/07 07:43 AM
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I thank God for universities like St. Pete College. THEY are the reason many young people in Tampa Bay are able to get an undergrad degree. If there were more, I believe we would have a larger pool of college-educated candidates in the workforce.
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