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Errors in gun permits are very slight

Letters to the Editor
Published January 31, 2007


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Florida neglects gun threat Jan. 30, editorial 

In your paper's nearly hysterical tirade against Florida's concealed weapon permit laws, it was reported that a total of 1,750 concealed weapon permits were mistakenly issued to individuals with criminal records or other disqualifiers. That is 1,750 out of a total of 410,000 permits issued, which translates to less than one-half of 1 percent.

Granted, it is desirable that no one with a criminal record be issued a concealed weapon permit, but we do not live in a perfect world. I would challenge your editorial board to name one government agency or program, or any human endeavor for that matter, that can consistently claim a lower error rate.

Finally, and again using your reported numbers, there are 408,250 law-abiding, concealed carrying Floridians who have the means to defend themselves and their loved ones (and perhaps you and your loved ones as well) from an attack by an armed criminal. Frankly, I'm much more comforted by that thought than I am by the prospect that all I have to answer a criminal's armed assault is your paper's righteous indignation.

Jerry Shores, Pinellas Park

 

Stop the NRA

Thank you for your editorial concerning the insanity of Florida's so-called gun laws. I have said this before and I will say it until the people of this state rise up and assert themselves: It is way past time to break the stranglehold the NRA has on this state and this country.

If you are a criminal, a drug dealer, a terrorist or just some poor sap who feels less than whole without a firearm, then there is no better friend than the National Rifle Association. Too many people in Florida and elsewhere die because of the spineless, gutless wonders who would flip over backward like trained seals when Marion Hammer or some other NRA lobbyist tells them to (especially the recently departed Jeb Bush).

Thomas Sweeney, Winter Park

 

No real threat

Although I agree that criminals and people with criminal records should not be issued a concealed weapons permit and the Legislature should look into why this is happening, I hardly think that Floridians are under any kind of threat.

By your statistics of 410,000 permits and by the number of people who are in violation of those permits, simple math tells us that constitutes a whopping .0043 percent of those who have permits.

Again, I hardly call that a threat.

There will always be those who break laws. Please don't put the vast majority of those who obey the laws in the same category.

Paul Lukacs, Indian Rocks Beach

 

Two views on felons

Your editorial position on the issue of concealed weapons permits is 180 degrees from your position on the topic of restoring voter registration for "ex-felons." However, I think the issue remains the same: Namely, felons are felons no matter whether they have served their sentences or not.

All of your editorials on the voting issue suggested that those who have paid their debt to society are somehow reconciled with the state - and could be presumed to vote Democrat in large numbers.

Your editorial on Tuesday uses entirely different language to talk about convicted felons who have slipped through the loopholes in the system. It all comes down to whose ox is being gored, perhaps.

How about honestly reviewing the matter from a perspective of constitutional rights, instead of simply positioning your argument around your political and social preferences.

Jim Parker, Tampa

 

Antiwar protest merited prominence 

Thousands demand end to Iraq war in protest Jan. 28, story

I was utterly dismayed when I had to go to Page 13A to see your report on the antiwar demonstration in Washington, D.C. There were almost 100,000 people and you relegated it to Page 13A while you filled the front page with Gasparilla partying.

It would be well to for you to inform your readers that folks organized this peace march because they are serious about supporting our troops by bringing them home from Iraq. Enough American lives have been lost. Enough Iraqi lives have been lost. It's time to try diplomacy.

Mary Murray, St. Petersburg

 

This is democracy?

There is something happening in this country that troubles me. The majority of the people oppose the war in Iraq; a majority oppose the escalation of the war in Iraq. Congress opposes the war and the escalation (with more Republicans voicing their opposition every day). The Iraqi people oppose the war and the escalation.

Given the opposition, if one man can force a nation to fight a war it doesn't want to fight, and escalate a war that it doesn't want to escalate, is that nation a democracy in any meaningful sense of the word?

Michael Vercelli, Sarasota

 

Blame the owners 

Problem pets Jan. 29, letter

The letter writer who responded to the story of the little boy and the woman who saved him from the dog attack sounds justifiably frustrated, but I fear his anger is misdirected.

All of our collective anger about the situation should not be directed toward the dogs, but rather toward the ignorant and irresponsible owners of such dogs. Pit bulls, no matter what the myths say, are not all vicious and unpredictable.

I have been around hundreds of pit bulls during my years of volunteering at the animal shelters, and they are generally very sweet-natured. The ones that are not have been made that way by their owners, and it is up to all of us to focus on this and get these people straightened out.

Why is it that whenever we hear these stories, it seems the owners are usually - to put it nicely - prone to legal troubles? Who in their right mind trains a dog to be vicious, unless they themselves are a danger to society or somehow involved in the illegal sport of dog fighting?

Please contact your senators and representative immediately and voice your support of the effort currently under consideration to strengthen the laws against animal fighting. Let them know that you support Bill 261 in the Senate and Bill 137 in the House.

Sandra Furey, St. Petersburg

 

It's not the breed

How long must the pit bull, or more accurately the Staffordshire bull terrier, endure the bigotry and hatred we have seen over the last several weeks, yet again. It seems every time there is an incident involving dogs that have been trained to be aggressive, it is the breed of dog that is blamed. Not that particular dog, not the owner, but the breed, as if the breed somehow guarantees aggressive unpredictable behavior.

I have a pit bull and a pit bull mix. Neither one of them has ever given me any problems with aggressive behavior. Ever! They have been taught the difference between acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

They are by far the best dogs I've ever had. My point is, it's not the breed, it's the owner, most of the time, and on occasion the dog may have individual problems. Stop blaming the breed!

John Riley Goolsby, Tampa

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by Joe 02/20/07 01:29 PM
I have been a long time NRA member, I currently live in N.J. which has very strict gun laws. I am concidering relocating near my brother in Florida. Once I get down there and settled, I too will apply for a concealed carry permit. I'mnota criminal.
by HENRY 02/02/07 09:34 AM
TAKING GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS IS NOT THE WAY TO MAKE THE STREET SAFE WE NEED TO PUT THE CRIMINALS IN JAIL AND KEEP THEM THERE. AND TO THOMAS SWEENEY MR ANTI-GUN ASK THE CRIMINAL TO WAIT TO KILL YOU YOUR GOING TO CALL 91
by Doug 02/01/07 10:31 PM
I am a avid NRA member, Concealed Weapons licence holder, and the sign on my door reads "No guns in this household" You figure it out.
by Bill 02/01/07 05:30 PM
Use the Federal "Project Exile" to get armed criminals off the street. Forensics and simple mandatory minimum sentences should do the trick.
by Terry 02/01/07 01:45 PM
So, you do not want to allow convicts to carry concealed weapons, but you DO want them to vote? Looks like a double standard to me! There is no right to vote in the Bill of Rights - but there IS a right to own and carry guns.
by Jay 02/01/07 12:21 PM
There was a time when I didn't own a gun. Now I carry one every day. When the occassion arises that I forget to bring mine, my wife is ready to face the threat. You have nothing to fear from legal concealed carry. I might be standing next to you.
by Charles 02/01/07 12:20 PM
I would direct all of you concerned with this gun problem to read "More Guns, Less Crime" By Proffessor John Lott. The University of Chicago Press, ISBN# 0-226-49363-6. This book says it all!
by Stephen 02/01/07 09:46 AM
It's is time for politicians to wake up. Guns aren't the problem,criminals are. Stop wasting our taxes trying new ways to restrict and regulate law abiding citizens.Build more jails and put felons where they belong, not back on the streets...
by Charles 02/01/07 03:23 AM
Why criticize guns/ carry permits, as they are inanimate items that cannot speak for themselves? The real problem is the corruption in the justice system. Remember all of the innocent people in prison? That means the criminals are still out LOOSE!
by Chuck 01/31/07 10:06 PM
Oh yes, let's abandon Iraq; it's just too much trouble. The U.S. don't need no stinkin Mid-Eastern oil. The un-washed infidels in the U.S. don't need plastic, elastic, rayon, polyester, fertilizer & pesticides for crops, fuel to transport food, etc.
by Chuck 01/31/07 09:57 PM
It's time that we pass a new law in Florida; If you want to blather on with some head-in-the sand anti-personal protection agenda, you should be required to endorse it by with a LARGE sign on your front door that states. "NO FIREARMS IN THIS HOUSE"
by Gerald 01/31/07 09:34 PM
Tom Sweeney, check out firearm related crime rate in your own state. It is far lower than any 'gun control' state. The more gun control, the higher the crime rate. I have a sticker for you-"This is a gun-free home". Put it on your front door.
by mahye 01/31/07 08:50 PM
the mariana sheriff wife and a deputy was killed by a man that was not licened to carry not by a licened person . if his wife had been caring she may have lived . nra is for your protection
by mahye 01/31/07 08:42 PM
you say a few thugs have conceal permits . what about the thousans that carry elegal . at least the law know them that has a permit but not the ones that are elegal. so what is the fuss . that is why the nra is for the permits to protect you from the
by R. Smith 01/31/07 07:59 PM
There are always people who blame owners after a pit bull dog maims or kills someone. Maybe with all the licenced gun carriers in Florida, the owners of pit bulls should be make free from prosecution targets. Works for me!!
by DAVE 01/31/07 07:35 PM
THANK GOD WE HAVE THE N.R.A IN THE USA WHEN THE GUN IS NO LONGER IN THE HAND OF LAWFUL PERSON WHO WILL HAVE THEM??
by Jay 01/31/07 07:28 PM
I didn't read the original story but only the comments it engendered. Why worry about criminals getting carry permits? They carry anytime and anywhere they want and they don't worry about permits. Let's give citizens a legal chance against them.
by Dave 01/31/07 07:25 PM
I agree that felons should not have a permit to carry a concealed gun. It's against the law for them to carry a gun with or without a permit. We need to enforce the gun laws on the books and put offenders away. No new laws restricting firearms needed
by mje 01/31/07 07:07 PM
Mike it's less then 1/2 of 1%
by John 01/31/07 06:02 PM
No dog is violent until it bites for the first time. Pit bulls are violent dogs - let's compare the rate of maulings between this breed and french poodles.
by Lex 01/31/07 05:34 PM
I don't understand the escalation in Iraq either. The troops should ALL just say no...they can court marshall all of them...but will they...let Bush go over and fight himself...since he is the only one that wants it.
by Jeff 01/31/07 03:50 PM
Do you really think that the few felons that were issued a permit would not carry anyway? If they obeyed the law they wouldnò019t be a felon.
by Mike 01/31/07 01:20 PM
Don, that is absolutely correct. And another way to write .43% is .0043. Time for you to head back to school!
by Kay 01/31/07 12:56 PM
We should be more worried about the criminals who have unregistered guns.
by Richard 01/31/07 12:35 PM
The entire country against the war and the lil Hitler in Washington doen't listen. Impeach and have a trial for crimes against humanity and hang him just like Sudam. Then bring our soldiers home.
by Don 01/31/07 11:28 AM
I guess Mike is a product of a government school. Doing the division on the white board I came up with .00426 Using my calculator I came up with .00427
by Kevin 01/31/07 10:40 AM
An armed society is a polite society.
by Mike 01/31/07 09:47 AM
His math is a little off. It's actually .43% not .0043%.
by Jim 01/31/07 06:26 AM
We must stop this runaway train, The Iraq Express. Make time to write your senators and congressional reps. Tell them of your displeasure at King George's actions. Together we can make our voices roar above the tinny chatter of the ones who want war.
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