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Confederate group seeks flag on tag

By ANNE LINDBERG
Published February 1, 2007


Sons of Confederate Veterans say the proposed design shows Confederate flags that flew over Florida.
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For some, the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of the country's racist past, of a viewpoint best forgotten.

But a group that cherishes the old flag as a point of Southern pride is working to do just the opposite.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans wants to immortalize the flag on a Florida speciality license plate.

The group's leaders say they have collected 30,000 signatures from people who would buy the plate. They've also raised the $60,000 deposit needed to put the proposal before the state Legislature.

Getting it approved this year would be especially appropriate, they say, because it is the 200th anniversary of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's birthday.

The group knows the plate will evoke some bad feelings, said Robert Hurst, the public relations director for the Florida division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

"There are people in this society, who, every time you mention Confederate, will complain," Hurst said. "We know that there will be opposition and gnashing of teeth and thumping of chests when we get our tags."

The group's goal, he said, is to honor "our ancestors, to maintain our presence and raise some money for our division."

Despite the controversy, Hurst said he does not believe the Sons of Confederate Veterans will have any trouble getting legislative approval.

It would be "bad faith," he said, for the Legislature to refuse it after approving 100 other speciality plates.

State Sen. Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa, disagreed, saying the Legislature is "too sophisticated" to permit such a specialty tag.

"I don't think they'd fall into the trap of passing legislation that raises the spectre of racism," Joyner said. "It's a very sensitive issue in this state and this country. It's very polarizing and we don't need that today."

Funds for graveyards

Last month, Hillsborough County commissioners ran into criticism after issuing a proclamation recognizing the bicentennial birthday of Lee on the same day they honored a longtime black community activist.

The license plate is not meant to polarize, said Doug Guetzloe, the head of Advantage Consultants in Winter Park who is helping usher the plate through the Legislature.

To begin with, the $25 per plate fee that would go to the Sons of Confederate Veterans would be used to maintain graveyards of men on both sides of the conflict. Another portion would go to education.

The goal is to celebrate the state's "Confederate heritage," not to insult people by displaying the battle flag.

"The design actually minimizes the Confederate battle flag," Guetzloe said. "It's a very tastefully done representation of the Confederate flags that flew over Florida."

The proposed plate shows four flags surrounding a center emblem of the battle flag. Two of the flags are the battle flag.

Message: 'racism'

The group's good intentions do not matter, Joyner said. Nor does the plate's appearance.

"You can dress it up and say it's for this purpose, but it still has the concept of ... racism," Joyner said. "It's the message we send to the nation that racism is alive and well in Florida."

If people want to display the Confederate battle flag, they can do so without a state-sponsored tag, she said. Confederate plates can be placed on the front of the vehicle.

Meanwhile, the group is shopping for a lawmaker to sponsor the plate.

Several legislators have been consulted, but none have signed on, Guetzloe said.

However, he was confident that someone would be named in the next few days.

[Last modified February 1, 2007, 00:49:31]


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by Jason 02/27/08 06:13 PM
As a relative of someone who served in the confederate army, i believe that it is about time that we have the oppurtunity to celebrate our heritage with a tag like this, cause it is simply heritage not hate. people just need to get over it.
by Sue 02/26/08 10:46 PM
I was born and raised in Land of Lincoln Illinois. Thanks be to God, I now live in the South. I'd proudly put this tag on my car because the South was right. Our founding fathers intended states to have the right to secede. This is a flag of freedom.
by DONNA 02/04/08 11:45 PM
THIS TAG WOULD BE GREAT ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY WOULD GET IT!!!
by Jesse 12/14/07 04:12 PM
If I could have a tag like that I would move to Fla.
by Wayne 10/13/07 04:07 PM
My family name is know en throw out the south. And has had many of it's members die for this flag and the right to be part of its glory. We as Americans have given are love one's to defend it's glory and which it stands all.
by Floyd 05/01/07 12:47 PM
The flag does not stand for racism, it is a symbol of the military and government of the Southern nation of Dixie! People confuse the Klan (1910-1996) with the CSA (1861-1865), which is very ignorant; They are 2 separate periods of history.
by AL 03/27/07 08:25 PM
THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS A CHRISTAIN SYMBOL BASE ON THE ST ANDREWS CROSS, THE NATIVE FLAG OF SCOTLAND.MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE TRUE HISTORY OR HAVE BEEN WRONG.THE CIVIL WAR WASNT FOUGHT OVER SLAVERY.WAKE UP FOLKS DO THE RESERCH.YOU MIGHT BE SUPRISED.
by david 03/18/07 10:08 AM
as a whiteman born in louisiana I dont find the confederate flag offindsive I can see how it can offind other people but as americans we must consider free speach and freedom dont liket dont look at it
by bill 03/10/07 01:40 PM
fantastic,I'm from Florida and its about time we can celebrate our heritage.
by Vernon 03/09/07 04:20 PM
This symbol is not racist ! It was the battle flag of a people that stood against federal imperialism being displayed so blatantly practiced by the past two administrations. Deo Vindice
by Jennifer 03/08/07 04:08 AM
Please make it possible for the people to have the Confederate flag tag in Florida. The flags do not represent hate just heritage. Thank you to consider
by shawn 03/07/07 04:19 AM
It has everthing to due with southern pride, remembering, and honoring our confederate soldiers, and absolutely nothing to due do with slavery. I'm proud to be living in the south, and can't wait to show it by buying the new tag.
by chelsea 03/03/07 10:47 PM
I was born and raised in the south I fly my flag everyday and every night. Where I come from the SOUTH has risen again and there ain't nobody who can stop us. So for all y'all who are REBELS keep your flags a flyin' it's worth it!!
by chelsea 03/03/07 10:41 PM
Nobody understands the rebel flag no more. The rebel flag doesn't always mean hate HERITAGE NOT HATE. Us REBELS just want to show our love for the confederacy we love the SOUTH and nobody's gonna change that either
by Paul 03/02/07 08:44 AM
Yes it is time we have a confederate tag.I have a confederate flag in my office with the us flag,I'm proud of both.
by Richard 03/01/07 07:58 PM
Everyone should be reminded that the Sons of Confederate Veterans is a privately funded historical society, founded in 1896, dedicated to protection our country's history, landmarks and monuments. A public good that deserves our support.
by Don 02/27/07 05:24 PM
Uh, folks..the Battle Flag IS NOT and never was the Stars & Bars. Think Stars & Stripes, but 3 bars, red, white, red..same blue field but fewer stars and THAT is the Stars & Bars. It LOOKS Like the Stars and Stripes: caused confusion on battlefield!
by Don 02/27/07 05:03 PM
I saw a photo of blacks burning the Battle Flag in SC and the look on a woman's face told me it ain't about the flag. It's about Whitey. These same selfrighteous racists steal flags from soldiers' GRAVES. That's racism in action for you, Ms. Joyner!
by Mike 02/26/07 05:37 PM
I fly my flag and always will.My last name is Toombs.Direct decendent of general (Robert Toombs)
by Butch 02/22/07 08:52 PM
How many Whites would be offended or raise hell, via the media, if the blacks wanted to have a FL tag that says they support the naacp? I'll tell how many, "O" or zero. We don't care. But we do care about respecting and honoring our ancestors.
by David 02/22/07 05:36 AM
From one who has Confederate ancestors and they didn't own slaves,I proudly adorn my personal vehicle with a TN. S.C.V. and have had no controversy what so ever with it.I am proud we spent the 5 yrs. fighting to get them. Grandpappy smiles down on me
by rick 02/15/07 06:48 PM
whats the big deal they have tags with Martin L King and nobody mad a big fuss this is no different i was born and raised in the south!
by Tim 02/14/07 02:17 PM
I live in South Carolina and have had an State issued SCV plate for 10 years! It is a great way for the State and yourself to recognize their Confederate history!
by wayne 02/13/07 11:29 AM
it's only fair
by Rob 02/13/07 01:29 AM
I like the idea. Tagging Rednecks is something way past due. The Confederate flag isn't a thing of racial diversity but more a benchmark in intellectual stupidity. Newsflash: The South lost the War! Move on!
by Raymond 02/10/07 07:26 PM
State Sen. Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa needs to get off her soap box read some history. It would seem that a senator would have more important things to do than try to stop us from honoring our southern heritage.Leave race out of this.Give us our tag.
by Michael 02/10/07 06:47 AM
Southern Heritage, huh? OK, then why didn't the KKK start flying the Confederate battle flag until just after the Brown vs. Board of Education decision? As my mother-in-law used to say, " I was born during the day, but not yesterday! C'mon people!
by Don` 02/09/07 02:32 PM
Liam How about "Black Slave Owner" what did they fight for freedom? The color of slavery is not black and white it is ò01CGREENò019 and the longer it takes you to realize that the longer the rich will pick us a part they donò019t want the truth to get. D
by Don 02/09/07 02:13 PM
Keep it flying, for God, and Country!!!
by Liam 02/08/07 06:44 PM
During the Revolution, any slaves joining the British Army were granted freedom. Does that mean that African-Americans that fought for American independence were fighting to preserve slavery too? DO TELL! IF YOU DARE!
by Liam 02/08/07 06:40 PM
The WBTS would have still occurred, even if slavery had NEVER EXISTED on the North American continent.
by Lauren 02/08/07 03:07 PM
we should have a heritaga tag this has notheing to do with race except to the ignorant.i see all kinds of hritage tags.why not fl?
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by Moo 02/08/07 02:07 PM
moooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Moo 02/08/07 01:40 PM
moo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(me again)
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