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Like no one else, they know

In Largo City Manager Steve Stanton, members of a support group of transgender men see themselves.

By TAMARA EL-KHOURY
Published March 20, 2007


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Nick Singer, 43, with partner Stacey Leone, says going to work as a transgender man has been tough.

On a Saturday night, in a Pinellas Park church, 17 people sat in a circle. All had been born female.

Now they go by Shawn, Nick and Josh. They talk about how long they've been taking "T" - testosterone - to deepen their voices and help grow the hair they spent years shaving.

They talk about cutting up their bodies with chest surgeries and hysterectomies so they can feel whole.

Twice a month, this support group of transgender men - some fully transitioned, others just starting the process - get together to talk. They cheer when someone's child makes the honor roll or when a group member gets his revised birth certificate.

They search for positive male role models - sensitive ones that hold babies - and supportive employers.

Since they last met, Largo city commissioners started the process to fire City Manager Steve Stanton after he announced he was having a sex change.

This group calls Steve Stanton by the name he said he would take on when he transitioned to a woman: Susan.

The group is organized by Stanton's therapist, Dr. Kathleen Farrell. They say they've broken down in tears over Stanton's treatment and faced the backlash at their own jobs.

When he heard Stanton was fired, a 51-year-old Largo resident called Jay became depressed. His family still knows him as a woman, so he agreed to be identified by his first name only. Now he tries to see deeper into people's smiles and hellos. Do they know?

"Would they still be as nice as they are?" he asked.

At work, the drama in Largo was break-room conversation at the home improvement center where he works. Jay said he stood up for Stanton.

"I think that's affected people's opinion of me," he said.

The members of the group sit like men: slumped back with their legs wide apart. Their hair is short, their clothes loose. But close your eyes and most of their voices are still female. Several brought supportive women - wives, fiancees, partners - who give a hand to hold. They sit with their legs crossed.

Nick Singer, 43, brought his partner Stacey Leone. Things were hard when Nick started going to work as a trans-man in January. But they got harder these last few weeks.

Supervisors at the insurance company are noticing mistakes they didn't used to, he said.

"It's like being pecked to death by hens," he said.

He just started "T." His voice is starting to change. That's all that matters, he said.

When 48-year-old Mick Siroy of St. Petersburg first read about Stanton, he thought: Finally, a role model. "Someone who can bring this out in the open and show that there are a lot of us."

It was a call to arms for 31-year-old Josh Goldman, a grad student at the University of South Florida.

Goldman heard people on the radio making fun of Stanton. He has been crying about it, thinking about what he can do to make Largo's issue a national one.

"We need to do something," Goldman said. "We need to do something to be a part of this movement."

The members of this group are grateful for these meetings, free of discrimination and judgment.

"How do you convince the person who says, 'If Jesus were here . . .' ?" Josh asks.

Tiffany McGill, a 22-year-old from St. Petersburg, came to support her fiance, 25-year-old Tariq Banks. She had an answer.

"Tell them angels have no sex, so they are transgendered."

Tamara El-Khoury can be reached at 727 445-4181 or tel-khoury@ sptimes.com.

[Last modified March 19, 2007, 18:29:37]


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by Gracee/Greg 03/26/07 04:08 PM
argument. Nobody really knows why some people are "different". Our differences are what make us unique. I'm the opposite of what my girlfriend has found attractive in the past, but she loves me, somehow she loves me.
by Gracee/Greg 03/26/07 04:02 PM
I love my TG girlfriend. The only mental health help she needs is to learn to accept herself. I've already been there and all I need is support. BTW, My identical twin sister is basically my opposite, a fem. Wombmates that blows part of the genetic
by llyyne 03/22/07 07:49 PM
For ANY of us in the TG Community to expect the man or woman on the street to feel our pain is pie in the sky, the best we will get is some small understanding and friendship from the best ones
by Mona Rae Mason 03/22/07 04:12 PM
by Sammy 03/20/07 06:55 PM "As a society we tolerate Transgenders." OK, Sam, that's awfully big of you,and as a community, we will tolerate your theory of a gender binary--but we probably will no longer vote for you.
by Brielle 03/22/07 01:34 PM
You might find this interesting as well...and it begs the question...are men necessary? Will in 10000 years man drive himself into extinction? http://forums.hypography.com/theology-forum/4147-virgin-birth.html hmmm..... ;p
by Brielle 03/22/07 01:25 PM
It is possible that the genetic record brought from the X chromosome overrides the developemental manifestation even down to the cellular level. As a result, the true TG individual does not have a choice in the matter of sexual determinization.
by Brielle 03/22/07 01:20 PM
However, after that coours, genetic memory only occurs within the female X chromosome. Have a look here to clear up your science. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/ScienceSpectra-pages/SciSpect-14-98.html
by Brielle 03/22/07 01:16 PM
In Biology there Jim, if you actually get it right, we all start out the journey as female XX Upon the Zygote stage, the sexual determinization occurs with the possible addition of the small & uncomplex "degraded" X chromosome creating the male form.
by Mona Rae Mason 03/22/07 11:00 AM
Wolfgang, the entire scientific community, as well as the TG community have been waiting for this! How did YOU happen to come upon it?
by Jean Taylor 03/22/07 10:35 AM
I'm one of those m2f cross-dresser, ret. business exec., completely saine and full faculties. more brains that most of you bigoted, bent-over straight folks. I'm also a republican voter. what say you now? go learn and study what you don't understand.
by Kate 03/21/07 10:41 PM
Jim: advanced biology would have taught you that there are people born with xy chromosomes who develop as females (AIS). Are they mentally ill for identifying as women? There are men who are xxy (Kleinfelters). Which gender would you prefer fot them?
by Ruby 03/21/07 09:21 PM
I Have met some of our aboriginal people here who are transgendered. They were highly respected.
by Dave 03/21/07 08:21 PM
Denise, yeah let's have a picnic...it might be a good way to raise some money for stanton's son, he will need it. His father, once removed, named susan will have put him a that position. I'm sure people would pay to see the freak show......ugh....
by Miriam 03/21/07 08:12 PM
I am married to a trans-man that I love more than life itself. He is warm, compassionate and NOT mentally ill. How sad it is that so many people feel it is within their right to judge. "Do not judge, lest Ye be judged"
by Wolfgang 03/21/07 06:18 PM
To those calling us transsexuals selfish: So you think we should suffer and die to spare you a little discomfort, because the medical treatment we need to become whole offends you? Who's being selfish?
by Brielle 03/21/07 02:51 PM
http://www.ilga-europe.org/europe/news/the_yogyakarta_principles_to_be_launched_on_26_march_in_geneva
by Brielle 03/21/07 02:05 PM
our ability to embrace all peoples as being important colors in the spectrum of humanity and quest for responsibly authentic representation. http://www.genderevolve.com
by Brielle 03/21/07 01:59 PM
by becoming informed can there be any personal {RE} Evolution. I would extend to everyone the chance to become aquainted with some who are helping to change antiquaited bias, and move, through the power of the written word,
by Brielle 03/21/07 01:54 PM
beings on the planet. Historically, many cultures throughout history have regarded these people as shamen, and visionaries who have held revered status within their cultures. It is time for acceptance & clarity. Only through
by Brielle 03/21/07 01:51 PM
Thank you Tariq, Transgenderism is not an illness, disorder or malfunction. Ignorance only fuels it's own chaos. THe demographic within the transgendered community has shown that these individuals are some of the most highly creative & intelligent
by Jim 03/21/07 12:40 PM
Basic Biology, basic science XX = female; XY = male. There are abnormalities (key abnormal) that are otherwise... I'm afaid to be non-PC, but these people do have problems, and need some psychiatric help.
by Tariq 03/21/07 11:52 AM
Also, transpeople are not out to deceive anyone...you are more likely to be deceived by your own bio counterparts.. i.e. Catholic priests, The president, the next door child molestor who you think is a great person
by Tariq 03/21/07 11:47 AM
"they are sexual extremists who get their kicks being different"...very ignorant statement! Who in there right mind would want to go through the process of transitioning especially with all the risks associated...
by Larry 03/21/07 11:28 AM
Denise, your example doesn't wash. Race is not a mental illness. Transgenders suffer from a mental illness/disorder no matter what you want to believe. Your comparison is not close to be similiar. This is not even close to that argument. Nice try!
by leanne 03/21/07 10:15 AM
I like HH's "Born a certain sex for a reason" statement. It begs the question "what was the reason and who had this reason,? I am Transgendered and all I would like is to be left alone to live my life. You know, work pay taxes, go to the beach
by Jeanette 03/21/07 10:05 AM
I'm a m2f bi-genderist and as good as any other person if not better. Good bless us all!
by Dave 03/21/07 07:32 AM
Thank you, Lisa. whatever it is could have waited till his son (that he never should have had) was older and not having to face his friends , at his age, with his fathers problem. HE MARRIED AND HAD A CHILD KNOWING HE FELT LIKE THIS!!! selfish thing
by Kevin 03/21/07 12:48 AM
Steve, you are entitled to your own choices (assuming nobody else gets hurt), but you need to realize that the world doesn't owe you anything. Do what you want, but accept that there may be consequences you find suboptimal (it's your choice).
by Donna 03/21/07 12:30 AM
People with nothing better to do than worry about someone else's sex life. Get a life.
by Wolfgang 03/20/07 11:49 PM
Andrew wrote: ""It" would lose it's head. Clean off, no remorse need it would be just." Andrew, you need professional help-- preferably someplace where there are locks on all the doors.
by Wolfgang 03/20/07 11:45 PM
Transsexuality is an intersex condition caused by hormonal imbalances in the womb during fetal development. A transsexual's brain develops as the sex opposite of his or her genital sex. It is one of millions of birth defects affecting human beings.
by Tommo 03/20/07 10:53 PM
St Pete Times. It's the Daily Worker, Western Hemisphere Edition, trying to portray these mentally sick people as "normal". Mentally sick- yes. Out of control mental psychopaths- no. Accept the body that God gave you, you selfish nutcases
by Denise 03/20/07 10:40 PM
"This is not Hate, but the right we have to choose our leaders in America" No. That right stops when the characteristic is an immutable identity characteristic -- like race or *SEX*. Again, same argument was made about blacks. It doesn't wash.
by Brielle 03/20/07 10:30 PM
Yeah, I'm no dope, and I wear a skirt very well thank you verr much!...lolol ;p
by Brielle 03/20/07 09:46 PM
you are, and how YOU might be able to contribute to be a positive force for global harmony... think about it, the answere lie within you, all you have to do is remember how you want to be treated...
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