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Politics
For those up high, taxes hit hard
Lawmakers say the people's plight of rising property taxes is also their plight.
By ALEX LEARY and STEVE BOUSQUET
Published March 29, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - State Sen. Dennis Jones owns two waterfront homes - one big and one small. But from the tax bills alone, it's hard to tell them apart. The big one in Treasure Island has a market value of nearly $735,000. The other, as Jones described it, is a "tiny bunkhouse" in Dunnellon worth $174,000. They're vastly different except in one glaring respect: Property taxes on Jones' home are only $700 more than on his weekend escape on the Rainbow River. Jones also has a house in Tallahassee and while far more modest than his primary home, the difference in taxes is only $230. "Florida's property taxes are obscene," said Jones, a chiropractor in his 27th year of lawmaking. "We have to find a better way to structure them." Without the controversial 3 percent property tax cap and $25,000 homestead exemption on his main home, Jones would be paying more than $13,600 a year in property taxes in the house he has called home since 1983. Thanks largely to Save Our Homes, he paid $3,861 last year. (He also got a small discount for paying early.) Since 1995, the voter-approved cap on tax increases on primary, or homesteaded, properties has meant that taxes have risen much faster on other properties: second homes, rentals and commercial properties. Now, as lawmakers consider how to revamp the tax structure, a primary goal is to ease the burden on nonhomesteaded properties. A review of lawmakers' financial disclosure forms shows that more than half of them have second homes, condos, rental property or vacant land that's absorbing the brunt of the tax burden in Florida. Rep. Charlie Dean, R-Inverness, where he has his primary residence, owns a 1,200-square-foot concrete block recreation home in Levy County just north of his hometown. The property taxes on the second place are $4,800. "I understand the people's plight because I'm part of that plight," Dean said. Sen. Victor Crist, R-Tampa, saw taxes on his modest townhome in Tallahassee double last year to $2,600 because the home is not protected by Save Our Homes, which limits annual increases on taxable assessments to 3 percent. "I wasn't happy about it," Crist said. Crist has bigger problems. He is moving to a new home in Tampa, leaving the one he lived in since 1987. Because the Save Our Homes cap applies only after a home has been owned for two years, Crist will have no protection from skyrocketing assessments. "I'm going to get smacked hard," Crist said. One of the ideas lawmakers are considering is making the Save Our Homes tax cap portable so longtime homeowners, like Crist, could apply it to a newly purchased house. Sen. Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland, also has a place in Tallahassee with an assessed value of $270,000. Her taxes have more than doubled in the past couple of years, to more than $4,400. "I can relate to all the people who are dealing with this problem," said Dockery. "It's a rather expensive pinch." House Speaker Marco Rubio, R-Miami, owns a home in Tallahassee with Rep. David Rivera, also of Miami. The previous owner paid less than $900 in taxes but taxes shot up to $1,849 after it was sold. Last year, Rubio and Rivera paid $1,985. The problem is not limited to Save Our Homes. Many blame an assessment practice that values a property at its "highest and best" use rather than its actual use. Rep. Julio Robaina, R-Miami, said that is part of the reason property taxes have surged upward on his second home in Tallahassee. Robaina said developers have bought nearby small homes like his, then torn them down to make room for bigger ones. In doing so, they have caused the assessments on the smaller homes to rise. "I went to the Leon County property appraiser to complain," Robaina said, "and they said, 'You guys have to take care of this.' " Bills have been filed to limit highest and best use to only those properties with permits in place for more ambitious buildings, or to eliminate the practice altogether and allow appraisers only to consider current use. Either way, the benefits would generally be felt by commercial property owners, not residential owners like Robaina. "But I support what they are trying to do," he said. The situation is not limited to attractive waterfront properties. Rep. Frank Peterman saw taxes double on the second home he owns on the south side of St. Petersburg where his mother lives. "It's crazy," the Democrat said. "You'd think that in that part of St. Pete it wouldn't go up that much. It's unconscionable." Times editorial assistant Nadia A. Mundy contributed to this report.
[Last modified March 29, 2007, 01:26:31]
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by GK
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03/30/07 02:22 AM
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New homebuyers and people who change homes are being shafted to subsidize people who buy and stay put. SOH was supposed to protect poor grandma, but instead it ends up protecting some of the richest people in FL. Any fix will NOT be easy.
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by Greg
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03/29/07 10:12 PM
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Richard...thank you, but I do have a job, own my home, and do not complain about my taxes, but am sick of hearing the wealthy complain when they are the ones who can afford it most.
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by Sue
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03/29/07 07:34 PM
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I don't feel people with investment properties, and 2nd homes should get tax breaks on those homes. It is enough that we get it on primary residences. Buying a 2nd property is a "luxury choice" you make. A primary home is not.
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by Bob
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03/29/07 05:38 PM
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The valuation of properties will not be a problem in the future. Bought mine in 2003 for 315K. Appraised at 535K in 2006, Probably could sell now for 400K. Values are plummeting, I expect we get back to 2003 prices and lots of appraisal battles.
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by Georgia
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03/29/07 04:57 PM
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Hey Rep Peterman.."that part" of St. Pete". Was that a racist comment?
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by Gary
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03/29/07 04:47 PM
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The valuation of properties have not caused the problem. Taxing and unconscionable spending by taxing authorities such as county commissions have. Highest and best use changes will impact few properties and make things more complicated. Leave as is.
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by Karen
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03/29/07 03:56 PM
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It's funny that they don't start squeeking until it hits THEM in the pocket.
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by Pat
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03/29/07 03:41 PM
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The people with significant SOH savings never find a justifiable reason why they should pay substantially less in taxes than their neighbors. "Because I have lived here for years" isn't a good reason. They don't care that others are getting shafted
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by Bob
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03/29/07 03:36 PM
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"Anyone in opposition to the SOH should move to a communist country".
This comment had to have been made by someone with a Florida education resulting from the effects of SOH.
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by Buddy
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03/29/07 02:57 PM
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The property taxes are out of control and need to be significantly reduced for primary and secondary homes.
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by John
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03/29/07 01:43 PM
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The question is why should property owners bare most of the responsibility to pay for all local services? What does a piece of land & house have to do with people using services.
I SAY LETS GO TO AN ALL-SALES TAX MODEL.
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by Joe
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03/29/07 01:41 PM
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Let's go the way of something like Cailif. prop 13.
Cap taxes at 1% of assess value for homesteaders & 1.5% for everyone else.
THAT WOULD FIX EVERYTHING.
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by Jim
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03/29/07 01:36 PM
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Pinellas tax payers are being screwed daily for the county oversight organization is worthless. They are throwing away the cash on huge items not needed and taking away from those trying to make a living. taxes, insurance...prep for hurricane, zero
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by Jeff
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03/29/07 01:34 PM
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A 1% flat tax on assessed value is the only fair way to handle property taxes. SOH although well intended does incredible harm in that it locks older citizens in their homes and pushes the tax on first time home buyers, tenants business and others.
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by Barbara
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03/29/07 01:22 PM
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The only way something will get done is if the Lawmakers are hit, they really do not care about us, they are only interested in themselves, getting elected. They are driving people out of Florida with the high cost of everything.
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by John
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03/29/07 01:22 PM
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This family loves our little 1200 sqft house and SOH. Without SOH all the properties flipping around us would have driven up our taxes, and forced us from our home. SOH is fantastic.
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by Sally
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03/29/07 01:12 PM
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We pay $13K a year in property taxes (I'm not rich--$70K/yr, disabled hubby & 3 kids.) I don't want anything from anyone, but $13K and my alley isn't even paved. Car stolen from in front of house and police go to wrong address. What AM I paying for?
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by Hellie
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03/29/07 12:25 PM
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Anyone in opposition to the SOH should move to a communist country.
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by Shawn
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03/29/07 12:15 PM
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$8000 more in services? Well here is another way to look at it. To maintain your property value, the area has to catch up on beautification, safety, traffic flow, etc..... Yes your property to maintain it's value is demanding more from the area!
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by John
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03/29/07 11:51 AM
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Just because we don't live on our empty lot in Tarpon Springs we pay more taxes on the EMPTY property than both houses on both sides where people live and use city benefits. Is this fair? Where am I getting an economic benefit from this situation?
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by Jo
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03/29/07 11:48 AM
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Oh! BOO HOO! I bet they cry that can't afford their insurance either. Good thing my premiums and taxes on my little inland home are subsidizing these big beach mansions!
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by Lee
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03/29/07 11:44 AM
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Boo hoo hoo, I feel so sorry for these legislators paying taxes on their second and third homes. Guess they'll have to take more bribes -- I mean, political contributions -- to make up for it.
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by Bob
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03/29/07 11:06 AM
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I just love reading all about not paying their fair share! I guess I'm one of them. Living in the same home since 1983. Having extra exemptions and paying so little each year. One things comes to mind! I've been paying for over 24 years of tax.
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by AEN
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03/29/07 10:39 AM
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Beat em' all, live in a box! ...Ooops, did I say that?
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by LJ
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03/29/07 10:20 AM
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lol, Dean thinks he is one of the "people" being "bothered" by this. Rich people just dont get it. Middle class and poor people have a hard time even paying THIER REDUCED RATES. And these rich people cry they have to pay 3,000 dollars??????
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by Bob
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03/29/07 10:14 AM
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SOH is the worst thing that has ever happened to Florida real estate and property taxation. Notice the real estate crash around you? Longterm homeowners enjoy your SOH savings when you can't sell your overpriced property! ha!
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by joe
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03/29/07 09:50 AM
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Dennis,
His taxes are based on what he bought it for 1st. He may have bought it for $200K 5 yrs ago, and now its worth 700K. But taxes are based on the 200K normal SoH increases. New owner at 700K would pay the 13K, or if he renovates it.
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by Richard
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03/29/07 09:47 AM
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Bob and Greg. Get a job, buy a house, and then complain about how your hard earned money being taken away from you by the govt. Otherwise, keep your "poor man" attitude to yourself.
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by Helen
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03/29/07 09:39 AM
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Dennis, the market value is not what primary residence tax is based on. He could have bought the place for $200,000 a few years ago and have the save our homes cap in action. The next owner will be hit for $12,000.
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by Bland
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03/29/07 09:27 AM
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I find this article encouraging, for simple fact that if enough members of our legislature are personally feeling the same pain we endure, then perhaps something is going to be done to relieve all our pain. Maybe the Senate will go along with Rubio?
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by Paul
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03/29/07 09:00 AM
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Lets see, the guy owns not 1, but 2, homes. And that's not all! They're both waterfront! Wow!! I bet there are plenty of people who would be happy with 1 small non-waterfront home. Keep the taxes the way they are. The market will correct itself.
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by Dennis
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03/29/07 08:52 AM
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Sen. Jones primary residence is market valued at $735,000 yet pays ONLY $3,861 in taxes, WHY? Mainland people have value of $150,000 and yet pay almost $2,500. Where is he able to reduce his property tax liability.
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by Greg
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03/29/07 08:47 AM
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Right on Bob...if one can afford these expensive homes, then they can afford the taxes as well.
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by Bob
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03/29/07 08:15 AM
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Boy the horror of these rich folks crying their way to the bank because they do not like to pay their fair share of taxes. If you do not like paying property taxes - sell some of your houses.
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by JT
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03/29/07 07:26 AM
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Yes,2.5 Sales Tax. No highest and best use, no property tax on homesteads, roll back rates on 2nd homes/commercial/land to 2003 rates and impose a rate of inflation rate max increase on them. Commissions will have to make developers pay for growth.
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