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Politics
House passes bill to kill taxes on primary homes
The Senate is debating a more cautious plan.
By ALEX LEARY
Published April 19, 2007
TALLAHASSEE -- The Florida House on Wednesday approved sweeping measures to slash property taxes, including a controversial plan to abolish all taxes on primary homes in favor of a 2.5-cent sales tax increase. There was the possibility of dramatic Republican defectors, but the 78-40 vote fell mostly along partly lines. "This vote is about leading on this issue and whether are you in favor of boldness or are you in favor of timidity," said Rep. Dean Cannon, R-Winter Park, who estimated the plan would save the average homeowner $2,300 annually. Cannon will now play a lead role in difficult negotiations with the Senate, which has no appetite for a sales tax increase and whose plan is more tempered than that of the House. The Senate begins debate today on its proposal, which has bipartisan support. The House claims a five-year savings to taxpayers of $35-billion, while the Senate is calling for more than $12-billion. The House also passed a plan to roll back local government tax bases to 2001, with adjustments for inflation and population, and a cap for future years. It would eliminate an estimated $6.3-billion from local government budgets. Democrats unanimously supported the rollback, perhaps not wanting to be on the record as resisting any tax relief. Party leaders, however, said they expect the plan will be modified during negotiations. Many say the rollback to 2001 is too harsh on cities and counties and could threaten essential services. The plan serves as a placeholder of sorts for the larger tax swap proposal. It calls for replacing the property taxes for schools with a 1-cent sales tax increase. Voters in each of Florida's 67 counties would then decide whether to eliminate the rest of property taxes on primary homes in exchange for an additional 1.5-cent sales tax. That would bring the state sales tax to 8.5 percent -- the highest in the nation. In some communities the tax could be higher given local option levies. Even if House Speaker Marco Rubio gains the required support from the Senate to put the plan on the ballot 2008, passage would be difficult. The constitutional amendment would require two-thirds approval of Florida voters. Democrats have relentlessly attacked the $9-billion sales tax hike, saying it would hurt the poor who pay a disproportionate amount of their income on sales tax, as well as shift the property tax burden to businesses and second homeowners. "You hear it's the largest cut. Well we think it's the largest tax increase," said Rep. Susan Bucher, D-West Palm Beach. "This is inequitable attempt to let one large class of taxpayers, who happen to be our voters, off the hook from paying property taxes." But Republicans said the overall plan benefits all classes of property owners and that the American dream of home ownership was paramount. Rep. Mike Scionti of Tampa was one of three Democrats who joined the majority. "I was sent up here, as we all were, in a crisis mode, whether it was insurance or property taxes, and I took that responsibility very seriously," he said. "We tried passing amendments that I thought could make a good bill better," Scionti added. "We weren't successful. But I certainly wasn't going to go home without being able to provide some tax relief.
[Last modified April 19, 2007, 06:04:19]
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by meena
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04/25/07 09:19 AM
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I am in for eliminating property tax.Everyone fully understand.I pay my tax seperate from my mortgage. I am up for the increased for sales tax next year.What a relief that will be for me and my 3 little kids
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by JIMMY
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04/24/07 11:54 AM
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The Senate plan to roll back to 2005 levels does nothing to help the current property tax levels. In fact they should be lowered in 2007 due to the lower property values at this time which by the way have been caused by the higher 2005, 2006 levels.
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by rafael
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04/24/07 11:00 AM
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prorerty tax only hurts everybody pocket and destroy people dreams of beem a real home owner this is the only country that collect property tax NO MORE PROPERTY TAX LETS US BE THE OWNER PLEASE. THANKS MR RUBIO FOR BE SO FOCUS IN THE PROBLEMS NO OTHER
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by Joseph
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04/22/07 10:25 PM
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I am all for eliminating property taxes. Anyone who claims that this is not equitable then they fully do not understand the proposal. This plan would fuel the housing market again and incrase consumption to local businesses. Lets Vote YES!!!
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by James
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04/21/07 06:02 PM
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1. No more property tax
2. 2.5 cent sales tax hike will cover the loss of revenue.
3. the lower income families cant be run out of thier homes by rising property taxes
4. more people would want to move to the state
5. tourist support
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by Jack
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04/20/07 11:57 AM
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Roll back to 2001 plus cost of living. No add'l taxes are needed since that should be all the money needed to run local gov'ts. Reduce gov't raises and sweet deals with local contractors to get back to reality.
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by Blue Moon
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04/20/07 11:49 AM
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High Property Tax affects everybody.Grocery stores,hair salon,Malls,craft stores,,Wal-Mart,Wal-Greens,etc.All have super high Property Tax that is passed on to everything you buy.LOOK at how everything you purchase has gone up, Milk,bread..We all pay
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by Karen
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04/20/07 07:28 AM
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Time to call in accountants not politicians.
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by Drew
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04/19/07 10:55 PM
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Fantastic idea!!! Cut the "Dept Of Graft And Corruption" off from their gravy train. Let em live like the rest of us on what they are given!!!!
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by Liz
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04/19/07 08:34 PM
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Suffolk County, NY sales tax is 8.625%, one of the most oppressive rates in the nation, and this is on top of very high property taxes. What is needed here in FL is budgetary oversight so that taxes do not become more burdernsome.
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by Bill
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04/19/07 08:19 PM
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I'm not a tax expert, when will this increased sales tax take effect? Next year? I do have to admit that when it comes to apartments in the Clearwater, Largo FL area renters are getting a free lunch with the low apartment rates.
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by April
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04/19/07 08:17 PM
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The House plan is a wolf in sheep's clothing. BEWARE.
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by Henry
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04/19/07 08:09 PM
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Go Senate! The House plan stinks like dead shunk.
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by Dan
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04/19/07 08:09 PM
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This plan will mean higher taxeson business & second homes of Florida residents. Non homesteaded properties are already paying more than their fair share of property taxes.
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by david
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04/19/07 07:39 PM
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charlie and his populist friends are lost: to do away with theproperty tax and have only a regressive sales tax is beyond the comprehension of all reasonable florida citizens:
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by Herb`
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04/19/07 07:11 PM
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When you deduct sales tax on your return you only get a percentage equivalent of your tax braket you are in. Hence if you are in the 20% range, you get 20% of what you paid in, not all of it.
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by Pat
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04/19/07 06:58 PM
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Renters do not pay sales tax..unless it is a seasonal, short term rental. On yearly leases, there are no sales taxes paid by the landlord to pass onto the tenant. So if your landlord is charging you sales tax - he shouldnt be!
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by bob
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04/19/07 06:32 PM
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You liberals keep talking about hurting the poor, if they pay $100 a week for anything, is a $2.50 increase going to be devestaing, especially when they get food stamps, which I'm paying for? I make more I spend more. Keep your food stamps.
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by Jason
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04/19/07 06:30 PM
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As usual, the bulk of property taxes come from businesses and rentals, and there's no reform there. Money will leave and stay out of FL. This change will only mean people can move again.
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by Helen
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04/19/07 06:27 PM
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Tourists from Europe are already paying 17.5% sales tax at home. So you can forget using this as an excuse why the sales tax shouldn't be increased.
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by Tony
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04/19/07 05:00 PM
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What you're forgetting is city and county governments are going to make MAJOR cuts in vital services such as police, fire, transportation, stormwater, sewage. We are all going to suffer. I rather pay and know I'm safe and have good services!
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by SEJ
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04/19/07 04:51 PM
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I MUST ADMIT I WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT NOTHING WOULD BE DONE TO EASE OUR BURDENS TAXES/INS IN MY OPINION NOTHING WAS DONE TOWARDS INS SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE WITH THE TAXES NOW MAYBE WE CAN HOLD ON TO OUR HOMES & NOT BE AFRAID OF THE ESCROW BILL!
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by Joe
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04/19/07 04:51 PM
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Yup..property taxes are deductable. however, many do the standard deduction, so it doesn't help. If your deductions are more than the standard, you are better off. no Property Taxes then would lower your overall deductions. Hope sales tax deduc stays
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by John
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04/19/07 04:33 PM
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Will somebody please tell me how any of these proposals will correct the gross inequity between residents and non-resident. We should all be treated equally Eliminating taxes for residents and increasing sales tax puts non-residnts deeper in debt
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by Andy
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04/19/07 04:05 PM
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This tax hurts people w/multiple homes (rare) & people who cant afford a house (very common). I rent & this will raise my rent b/c my home is the landlord's 2nd home. This tax is trying to pit the average against the poor for the sake of the rich.
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by Keith
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04/19/07 03:37 PM
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For those of you that don't think that the House's plan is a good idea, please move to a different state.
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by BC
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04/19/07 03:12 PM
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Sales Tax is deductible so why worry about the higher sales tax? What harm would an additional 2.5 % sales tax do to homeowners or renters for that matter? Think about it....
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by Ken
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04/19/07 03:09 PM
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Somebody explain to the legislators the problem isn't the overall level of taxes, its the inequitable distribution of the tax load. The Tax Foundation 43 states have higher total state/local taxes as a % of personal income!!!
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by BC
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04/19/07 03:08 PM
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I pay my property taxes and insurance separate from my mortgage. I can barely afford the insurance and have a tax certificate pending for 2006 property taxes. I'll gladly pay more sales taxes. What a relief that would be!!
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by st pete t
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04/19/07 03:01 PM
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can i ask...who in their right mind,would'nt vote for the house plan? i'm in my house to stay,why would i even think of voting for the senates structure?the safety forces and city services will still be there but paid in a different way.
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by mike
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04/19/07 02:58 PM
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Re: Tax Deductions. Big deal, save only a percent of the total tax pd. Rep. Rubio may save $13,000 in taxes while the avg. savings will be less than $2,000. Who do you think this bill is geared to? The working class stiff or the well-off? Guess
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by mike
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04/19/07 02:47 PM
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The proposed House bill is regressive (it helps those at the top more than at the bottom). Think about it, we'll tax at 8.5% or higher for an iron or lawn mower but if you're wealth you don't pay taxes on dry cleaning or lawn care. Real equitable.
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by Lin
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04/19/07 02:25 PM
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So the homestead exemption just went from $25,000 to unlimited. But no relief for rental properties or the Florida residents who rent and have to pay that tax, plus the proposed humongous increase in sales tax. Talk about two Americas. What insanity!
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by Michelle
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04/19/07 02:24 PM
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To those saying that homeowneres are trying to make others pay you are right as far as I am concerned. Home owners should not be the only ones to support services the entire county benefits from. We ALL should pay taxes - owner,renters,illegals,etc.
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by Allison
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04/19/07 02:09 PM
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I'd love to be able to buy a house, but now it will be even farther out of reach if I have to pay extra money in sales tax. Relief is needed, for sure, and unfortunately this MAY be the best plan.
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