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Bucs: Time to gauge what must be coughed up
Despite the smoke, you try to see. Despite the babble, you try to listen. Despite the fertilizer, you try to smell.
By GARY SHELTON
Published April 22, 2007
Despite the smoke, you try to see. Despite the babble, you try to listen. Despite the fertilizer, you try to smell.
Ah, yes. It must be draft week.
By now, you have read a thousand mock drafts. You have heard a hundred rumors. Never has so much been said by so many who know so little, and still, you have listened to every word.
And, really, it comes down to this:
How much is that touchdown in the window?
By now, most football fans in Tampa Bay will agree on this: Calvin Johnson. If the NFL draft was an election, Johnson, a wide receiver from Georgia Tech, would win in a landslide. Around here, fans can tell you all about him: his size, his speed, his skills, his love of Cheech and Chong movies. Everything.
As for the Bucs, Jon Gruden loves Johnson, too. We know that because Gruden loves everybody. At last count, Jon Gruden was atwitter over Johnson and Joe Thomas, over Brady Quinn and Adrian Peterson. There is something about the draft, it seems, that turns Gruden into Paris Hilton.
Most of that is smoke screen, of course. Gruden loves a mystery, especially when he's creating it. No, I don't believe the Bucs might draft a quarterback. No, I don't think it will be Peterson, either.
Johnson, on the other hand, is the guy the Bucs should love. He has star quality. He has great reviews. Most of all, he leads the league in the important category of "immediate impact."
On the other hand, can we please get a price check?
For the Bucs, and for those who follow along, this is where the shopping gets complicated. When it comes to Johnson, how much is too much to pay?
The No. 4 pick? If Johnson is available at the No. 4 pick, the Bucs should send large, expensive gifts to every team above them for not taking him. Portable DVD players are nice.
But do you really expect the Bucs to get that lucky? I know that Johnson has admitted smoking marijuana, but I don't care if his chimney looks as if he has elected a new pope. If the best player in the draft falls that far, the NFL needs to start giving the Wonderlic to general managers.
Gut feeling: There is a 27 percent chance that Johnson falls to fourth. Staying pat is risky.
That's why so many rumors have sprouted over the Bucs' eagerness to move up for Johnson. According to some stories, Gruden is willing to give up as many picks, players and paychecks as it takes. If someone wants to use his office as an offseason condo, that's fine, too.
Come on. The Bucs aren't going to trade all of their first day's draft picks for the rights to Johnson. Even a team that gave John Lynch's money to Todd Steussie isn't that brain-dead. For a team that has this many holes, that would be like spending the rent money on stereo speakers.
Gut feeling: There is a 0 percent chance the Bucs trade their first four picks for Johnson.
So how about a first and a second? If the Raiders pass, should the Bucs offer their first and the second of their two No. 2s?
You're darned right. The problem is, a lot of teams are going to want Johnson, so it's not likely that's going to win the auction.
Gut feeling: There is a 23 percent chance the Lions would make that deal.
So how about a first and the better of the Bucs' two second-round picks? If that could get it done, would you offer the fourth and 35th picks?
For Tampa Bay, that's a hard decision. No, it still isn't enough if you go by the trade chart. On the other hand, if the trade chart were perfect, accountants would make the trades in the NFL. This isn't Peyton Manning we're talking about. It's a receiver, who will touch the ball eight or nine times a game. It's a receiver, and they have the bust factor of a red balloon at a birthday party.
Gut feeling: Toss in a seventh-rounder, and this deal has a 59 percent chance of happening.
So how about a first and Simeon Rice? That's an interesting notion that has been floated.
If Johnson is still there when the Lions pick, it makes a bit of sense. Rice's best seasons were under Rod Marinelli (now the Detroit coach), and he has only one year left on his contract.
On the other hand, Rice makes a lot of money, and if you remember, the Lions signed former Bucs defensive end Dewayne White.
Gut feeling: Oh, about 19 percent.
In other words, this is going to be a hard deal for the Bucs to pull off. Which leaves us ... where?
Around here, the popular thinking is Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas, because everyone knows how bad the offensive line has been. On the other hand, the Bucs have done a lot of shopping on the line. The defense is getting old, so Gaines Adams might be a sleeper. If Johnson isn't available, trading down will be inviting.
Gut feeling: For the Bucs, it's a one-player draft. It's 61 percent that Tampa Bay swallows hard and pays the price for Johnson.
After all Gruden loves him.
Gary Shelton can be reached at (727) 893-8805.
72ND NFL DRAFT
When/where: Noon Saturday (Rounds 1-3), 11 a.m. April 29 (Rounds 4-7); Radio City Music Hall, New York City.
TV: ESPN, ESPN2, NFL Network.
Fast Facts:
Where they pick
Bucs picks: Nine selections, including four in the first 68. Tampa Bay has two in the second round, including the one it received from the Colts (35th overall) for defensive tackle Anthony McFarland.
Round and overall selection for the Bucs
1 (4), 2 (35, 64), 3 (68), 4 (102), 5 (141), 7 (214, 245, 246)
First-round draft order
1. Oakland Raiders
2. Detroit Lions
3. Cleveland Browns
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5. Arizona Cardinals
6. Washington Redskins
7. Minnesota Vikings
8. Houston Texans
9. Miami Dolphins
10. Atlanta Falcons
11. San Francisco 49ers
12. Buffalo Bills
13. St. Louis Rams
14. Carolina Panthers
15. Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Green Bay Packers
17. Jacksonville Jaguars
18. Cincinnati Bengals
19. Tennessee Titans
20. New York Giants
21. Denver Broncos
22. Dallas Cowboys
23. Kansas City Chiefs
24. New England Patriots (from Seattle)
25. New York Jets
26. Philadelphia Eagles
27. New Orleans Saints
28. New England Patriots
29. Baltimore Ravens
30. San Diego Chargers
31. Chicago Bears
32. Indianapolis Colts
[Last modified April 21, 2007, 23:08:15]
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by bob
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04/27/07 12:50 PM
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Some time ago I wrote about the Bucs advanced ages but no reply. I suspect we forget Dungy got us to the promised land with D. Our new genious doesn't know what toy he wants. What happen to last years "great' picks? Give Monty what he needs.
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by Brian
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04/27/07 08:57 AM
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I wouldn't give up any picks higher than a 4th rounder to move up. Detroit doesn't want to fall to number (Atlanta's choice) so they may try to convince Tampa they will. Tampa needs to stay put & hope CJ falls to them at 4. If not, then trade down
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by SNOWBIRD JOE
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04/25/07 08:13 PM
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It's as close to being right as possible and please thank BUC management again for Tony. The BUCS are still my National League team.
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by Andy
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04/25/07 04:49 PM
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Don't get crazy. Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson will be available. Adrian Peterson would force Caddy to another team when his contract is up. That would waste that pick from a few years ago.
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by bob
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04/24/07 03:22 PM
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Goodbye Derek and Phil. Glazers will wait and Gruden gets his picks. Its for the good of the team you know. Just check Sheltons situation out. A train, who knows. he may be the clincher for Detroit and Marinelli gets proven commodities he knows.
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by Jim
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04/24/07 12:16 PM
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Stay put if CJ's there great,if he's gone trade down for another 2nd and 3rd we could walk away with Meachum and a starting LT.Cj"s no good to us if the QB can't get him the ball.
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by Josh
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04/23/07 07:15 PM
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To get CJ it would either be the first and the lower of the 2nd round pick and either Brian Kelly or Simeon Rice which is something resonable since thier both getting old and out of thier best years
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by George
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04/23/07 05:00 PM
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I think that Tampa trade Rice to Detroit
for #2, Detroit gets #4. Then we will see who wants to bite. How about trading with NE for their 1st rounds picks. Then we trade both 1st rd picks for the DE from Saints. Then rest of draft go for needs.
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by Jon
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04/23/07 01:07 PM
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If Oak doesnt take CJ,the bucs should try #4 and Rice for #2.Rice takes up to much of the cap for the bucs and he has become injury prone over the past few years.If they can get #2 w/ that then go for it.If not stay put & hope hes there or take a qb
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by Art
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04/23/07 11:06 AM
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C'mon Gary... We all know a rookie's salary has more to do with the number at which he was selected than anything else. It's why I'll be shocked, not surprised, SHOCKED if the Bucs trade up. They know, as does Gruden, none of the other teams needs C
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by yort
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04/22/07 09:20 PM
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You don't trade up to draft a WR, EVER! I don't care how good they think he will become. The Bucs need to rebuild their defensive line and finish building the O-line. Ask Tom Brady if you need super star WRs to win it all.
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by Brent
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04/22/07 03:56 PM
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Dumb move to trade down. Bucs should think hard about trading down or stay put. They have and old mediocre team with respect to talent. Tampa's best are mostly over age 30. The 'o' has young players who may develop. Need young players on 'd' too.
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by paul
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04/22/07 12:50 PM
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"Even a team that gave John Lynch's money to Todd Steussie isn't that brain-dead." -- lol, okay gary, once in a blue moon you write something funny. that was a good one.
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by Jake
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04/22/07 09:51 AM
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It's going to take the 4th 35th & 68th overall picks to move up 4 Calvin Johnson 4 one simple reason: Division opponent Atlanta also wants hometown guy CJ and may be willing to give up both 2d Rd picks 2 do it. Keeping CJ away from Atl is a win-win
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by Mike
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04/22/07 09:24 AM
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The only problem with the value of trading up with Detroit is the cost. To move up to #2(2600 point value), it should cost the Bucs 4,35 and 68(total of 2600 points). The Lions would never let the Bucs have CJ for just 4 and 64(a minus 530 points)!
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