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Hotel, yes, but not here

By PAUL SWIDER
Published April 25, 2007


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This proposed 32-story Westin Hotel at Fifth Avenue N and First Street is supposed to look like a sailing ship. It is opposed by nearby residents who say the structure breaks too many rules.

A new 32-story hotel could rise on less than an acre along Fifth Avenue N, if a Tampa developer gets approval from a city panel next week. But some downtown neighbors aren't happy about it.

"Generally speaking, we don't oppose a project if developers follow the rules, but this stretches the limits every which way," said Tim Baker, president of the Downtown Neighborhood Association, which plans to stand against the proposed Westin Hotel and Residences. "This is so wildly out of scale for that location."

Fuel Group International is proposing to build a 260-room hotel with 111 condominiums on 0.85 acres it owns on the southwest corner at First Street. The company has designed a building that would be the tallest in the city but wants permission for unlimited floor space.

Regulations calculate floor space in terms of the land on which a building sits.

Developers can reach greater floor-area ratio, or FAR, by adding amenities such as green space. City rules for the Westin site allow basic FAR of 3, but Fuel Group wants to build an FAR of 14 to accommodate more than 500,000 square feet of building, plus another 160,000 square feet of parking.

"They're trying to jam things in," Baker said, "and doing a lousy job of design."

Fuel Group officials did not respond to questions about the project. The proposal goes before the city's Environmental Development Commission on May 2.

Baker said neighbors met to discuss the plan and are upset that the hotel would generate significant truck traffic in a cramped area next to an electrical substation. He said the developer's desire to get more floor space ignores the needs of a neighborhood of smaller homes.

The property also butts up against the 475-condo building, a seven-story project that is near completion.

Neighbors say they could accept a tall hotel, just not on that site. Baker suggested the vacant lot at Central and Second Street, but Dan Harvey said he offered Fuel Group his land next to Parkshore Plaza just a block away.

Harvey will also be presenting a nearby project to the EDC in May when he seeks site plan approval for a 21-story building where Mansion by the Bay now sits.

Harvey and developer John Lum want to move or salvage the Queen Anne structure to make way for 28 condos between Presbyterian Towers and Townview Condominiums on Fourth Avenue N.

The project would cost between $10-million to $12-million and sales would start in a few months, Lum said. He said they are hoping the real estate market has bottomed out already.

"We feel confident the market should be back" in two years when the building's finished, Lum said.

Preserving Mansion by the Bay might be a sticking point because the structure has been changed and expanded over the years. Harvey has salvaged wood from other older homes he's owned and might do the same with this building, if there is no way to move it.

"We ask that nothing happen to that building until a for-real project is ready to go there," said Bob Jeffrey, the city's assistant director of development services.

Paul Swider can be reached at 892-2271 or pswider@sptimes.com or by participating in itsyourtimes.com.

[Last modified April 25, 2007, 00:00:15]


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by Junior 05/04/07 11:24 AM
Come on keep building more towers we need it.
by David 04/27/07 04:49 AM
Glad I sold my interests in ST PETE a few years ago. I was getting tired of paying high taxes, when developers are gettin significant Tax BREAKS at my expense. Paid for the Stadium yet?
by DrewFinn 04/25/07 04:01 PM
Hey, just like here in "Condo County" (aka Pinellas) you gotta keep building. Doesn't matter what or where, as long as you are building something. Don't worry about water, electric, roads, or anything else - BUILD !!!!!!!
by AJN 04/25/07 02:45 PM
I understand St. Pete does lack hotel rooms, and this won't be the only tall project in that area. There's a 15 story project under construction a couple blocks down. I'm sure a "compromise" version of this is already designed.
by SARA 04/25/07 02:33 PM
I AGREE WITH JOHNNY! ST PETE WILL ONLY GET BIGGER AND BETTER GOD WILLING. YES THE OLD TIMEY FEEL IS NICE, BUT GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES. COME ON PEOPLE, SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF YOUR FAIR CITY!
by John 04/25/07 02:23 PM
I'm all for growth - but I'm also all for rules. This building needs to be in compliance with exisiting guidelines, but once it is - build away!
by Lisa 04/25/07 01:40 PM
Protest in venues other than just this one. It is easy to sit and write comments - not so easy to do something about it. Contact the city, the hotel, etc. LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD.
by Johnny 04/25/07 11:44 AM
Downtown is DOWNTOWN, Don't wanna live in the city, THEN MOVE! I hope they continue to build and build. Saint Petersburg is really starting to take shape. I like to see big buildings downtown! Keep up the growth!
by Heidi 04/25/07 11:29 AM
I would like to know what the Old NE Neighborhood Assoc. thinks as well. I'm 4 blks away & consider this my neighborhood --I don't like it! Bit by bit St. Pete is losing its originality and flavor to unrealistic development projects.
by Kim 04/25/07 11:14 AM
Go and build and bring in taxes so the rest of the city does not have to pay for downtown. The city needs to make it on its own. The new taxes can pay for southside redevelopment.For years the city has suck up the rest of the area's money. Sorry Mel
by Doug 04/25/07 10:58 AM
People need homes and condos are more fuel efficient than houses. I plan to sell my house some day and get a condo too. BTW Mel - The housing market is off everywhere, even outside St. Pete. It will come back and then is when I'll sell.
by Christopher 04/25/07 10:47 AM
Downtowns are designed for density; it's better to have a tall building in a location that is supported by existing infrastructure than to build many low density structures with acres of asphalt parking lots. Mass transit requires density.
by Gregory Hall 04/25/07 10:41 AM
I am nolonger a reseident of St Pete but I do like to see growth in the area of Downtown, but is another hotel/Condo really the answer? What about more permanent jobs like major corporations something that will somehow help the citizens of that area.
by JT 04/25/07 10:34 AM
Any property can be sold the price just has to meet the market where it is ready to buy. Pricing too high represents GREED, GREED, GREED. Besides much empty property is simply not desirable for today's buyer who is now tending to be more upscale.
by Paul 04/25/07 10:27 AM
Save St Pete! No more condos! The whole reason St Pete is nice is because of the very nice old buildings these greedy dolt developers are destroying. If this doens't stop, St Pete will be just another ugly city, full of vertical vanilla homes.
by Eric 04/25/07 10:15 AM
Whats wrong with growth? let them build the hotel/condos. I hope they get the city approval.
by Lisa 04/25/07 10:08 AM
What a nasty-looking design, totally out of character with the neighborhood. When you ruin the ambiance, tourists won't visit your downtown anymore!!
by Holly 04/25/07 09:14 AM
I agree with Mel...it's been "over kill" for the last 3 years; I'd finally had enough and moved out of downtown. Shame on you Rick Baker...it's all about the money!
by Toby 04/25/07 09:07 AM
I'm so sick of the mentality behind this typical response.You live DOWNTOWN in a CITY, by definition HIGH DENSITY.High density is what makes cities interesting, exciting places to be and makes things like mass transit (e.g. light rail) feasible.
by Teresa 04/25/07 08:59 AM
Yes! the construction of these buildings needs to continue in the downtown - that's what a downtown is all about! The height is a bit much on the Westin, but a revised plan should be considered.
by Jo 04/25/07 08:41 AM
STOP! Just STOP! If Westin really needs a presence in St. Pete, let them buy out one of the dozen brand new EMPTY "condo" monstrosities that are on every block. We've got to get R. Baker and cronies OUT of St. Petersburg.
by spud 04/25/07 08:12 AM
When are our elected officials consider the people that voted them into office, rather that the developers that paid for their campaign to maintain power. The republicans are out of control, my advice, never vote repuglican.
by Christine 04/25/07 08:02 AM
STOP, STOP, STOP with all the building, and where do they purpose we put all the vehicles and other traffic that would be brought by building. What about some middle class structures in St. Petersburg so those of us who work can live here.
by Mel 04/25/07 03:41 AM
Stop with the construction, I can't sell my place because of all the empty homes. GREED GREED GREED. Shame on you Rick Baker!
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