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Politics

House, Senate remain far apart on tax relief

One lawmaker calls failed talks embarrassing.

By ALEX LEARY and STEVE BOUSQUET
Published April 25, 2007


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TALLAHASSEE -- The terse, icy end of Tuesday's bargaining session drove home the reality that the House and Senate are miles apart on tax relief, and they are running out of time.

A breakdown could be to House Speaker Marco Rubio's advantage if he is seen as the leader demanding the deepest cuts in local spending compared with the Senate's more surgical approach.

The second day of negotiations between the chambers ended abruptly. After the Senate said it deepened its cuts by $3-billion over five years, Rep. Dean Cannon simply restated the House's own bottom-line expectations.

And then he adjourned the meeting.

The result after two days: not much.

"This is embarrassing," said Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach. "And that's not directed at either chamber." He said lawmakers look like rookies "holding their first elective office."

Cannon deemed the Senate's counteroffer bumping the overall five-year savings to $15.3-billion as "statistically insignificant."

The House wants at least $41.8-billion over five years and has refused to budge from bottom-line annual average savings of $1,200 for primary homeowners, $750 for owners of second homes and $3,300 for businesses.

"At this rate, it may take a couple years to get to our numbers," Cannon said. "But that's okay, we'll wait until we get there."

Sen. Mike Haridopolos, Cannon's counterpart in the Senate, stood next to him, facing a wall of reporters.

"It's a two-way street, negotiations," said Haridopolos, R-Melbourne. "We have made a positive step forward."

The Senate added $3-billion by including hospital districts, water management districts and fire districts to its property tax rollback, and by requiring a 5 percent cut for local government tax bases instead of a freeze.

The inclusion of special taxing districts sent a new wave of fear among the many interest groups watching the debate.

"It translates into equipment, manpower and that translates further into much higher fire insurance rates," said Terry Lewis, who represents fire districts across the state, including Pinellas County.

Earlier in the day, it was the Senate's time to swing. Leaders loudly shut the door on the House plan to trade property taxes on primary homes for increased sales taxes.

The Senate said it was wiser to focus on a rollback rather than broader plans, such as the tax swap, which require voter approval.

Sen. Dan Webster, one of the Legislature's most experienced and conservative members, said the tax swap would fail in a statewide referendum because it pits one group of property owners against others and because it is regressive.

"The poor are going to get poorer and the rich are going to get richer," Webster said.

The Senate said its more modest approach makes significant cuts while not neutering local government services so that "when you dial 911, you want somebody to answer the phone and then show up."

Amid the negotiations, several hundred home builders rallied outside the Capitol. They urged lawmakers to restrict local government from increasing impact fees to offset lost property tax revenue. Haridopolos and Gov. Charlie Crist spoke, as did Rubio.

"This is not about the House vs. the Senate, although some will want to write about that," Rubio said. "This is not about whose plan gets passed, who gets the credit. This is about solving the most important issue that our state has faced in a very, very long time. ... This is about results."

But the House and Senate definitions of results remain at sharp odds.

Rubio made it clear which he preferred. He repeated the savings -- $1,200 for homeowners, $750 for the owners of second homes and $3,300 for businesses -- he said the House can accept at a bare minimum.

[Last modified April 25, 2007, 02:28:57]


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by jj 04/26/07 08:48 AM
Joe, A sales tax is fair as long as basic needs are exempt. Why is a sales tax more fair than a property tax? Because it all comes down to choice. Consider this. It would take $120k in spending to equal $3000 in property tax with the 2.5% incrs.
by jj 04/26/07 08:40 AM
Badbob, Property taxes are factored into the price of rents. Rents will fall if property taxes are eliminated. Landlords don't set rent, the market does. I feel that basic needs such as food, medicine & clothing should be exempt from the sales tax.
by BadBob 04/25/07 10:24 PM
Tell jj that if he doesn't want to pay property taxes he can just rent. Poor people can't just decide not to buy things for which sales tax applies, but he could always just live in an apartment.
by JD 04/25/07 07:17 PM
I think they should institute the sales tax it would benifit everybody down the road. If they don't do something fast people will be leaving.
by JD 04/25/07 07:17 PM
If I made as much money as the politicians I wouldn't be in a hurry either, I could afford it.
by Walt 04/25/07 05:27 PM
It should be clear that only a reduction in spending by local governments can actually reduce taxes, instead of redistributing them. Local governments went crazy with the huge influx of revenue resulting from the recent increase in property values.
by JT 04/25/07 04:00 PM
It is amazing that anyone would buy property subject to a tax even though they think it is crazy. Someone paying 500k to have a 10k tax bill 9mths ago does not concern me as much as those paying taxes for years in FL and are now being tax/insured out
by JOE 04/25/07 02:07 PM
HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THE SALES TAX IS FAIR. IT UNFAIRLY IMPACTS THE POOR. I WOULD RATHER SEE A REAL FIX TO INSURANCE THAN PROPERTY TAXES. FIX INSURANCE FIRST. THEN WE CAN MOVE ONTO PROPERTY TAXES.
by jj 04/25/07 11:16 AM
A sales tax is a fair tax because you can choose not to pay it by not spending. Prop. tax isn't fair b/c people need to live somewhere & are forced to pay it. Cut the fat from gov. except essential services s/as fire,police,etc.
by Ashley 04/25/07 10:29 AM
No offense Bob, but doubling the homestead only saves $50 a month. Some of us pay over $1000 a month for property taxes that comes out to about 1/2 of a percent.
by Dee 04/25/07 10:14 AM
Just moved here 9 months ago and we are paying 10,000 in taxes this is crazy, we need tax cuts now!!!!!
by Scott 04/25/07 09:50 AM
The Senate is populated with imbeciles. They all must be products of the "wonderful" Florida school system. The Senate plan does NOTHING to bring us tax relief. Why can't people see this? Kill one of the major causes for this the SOH cap!
by Doug 04/25/07 09:14 AM
If everyone paid the same tax on property of equal value, I cant see how anyone could really think it would be unfair. Sure, the mil rate would have to be reduced as well. Also gov't would have to clean up their house on wasting our money.
by Bland 04/25/07 09:09 AM
I applaud the House Leadership in standing their ground on demanding significant property tax relief. The real problem is controlling local spending. Only the House Plan makes real demands on local budgets. Read the April 15th Times artilcle.
by Raul 04/25/07 08:00 AM
The term "tax relief" is Republican propaganda. I would expect the Times, or any other newspaper with a sincere regard for objectivity, to at least identify it as such. Or, better yet, to use a more neutral term, such as "tax cuts."
by Bob 04/25/07 06:39 AM
I don't care how it's done, at the end of the day I want a fair set of taxes regardless of 1st or second home status.
by Philip 04/25/07 06:25 AM
Living in florida is becoming the American Nightmare. Something needs to be done to help us the people. When I bought my house in 1989 I paid 300 a year for INSURANCE and my taxes was around 1000. Today I am paying over 4000 for the both. HELP US!!!!
by Bob 04/25/07 05:51 AM
This all seems to easy for me. Double the homstead exemption. This will help the poor and well as the rich.
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