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Politics

Legislators take a stand against lies

Some balked, but in the end state senators were in favor of truth in government.

By SHANNON COLAVECCHIO-VAN SICKLER
Published April 27, 2007


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From left: Sens. Al Lawson, Mandy Dawson and Gary Siplin.

TALLAHASSEE -- Encouraging development from the Florida Legislature: Senators approved a bill Thursday that requires them to tell the truth.

Discouraging development from the Florida Legislature: They did so only after more than 15 minutes of heated debate, and even then, three voted against the measure.

Yes, that's right. Three Democrats -- among them a felon -- voted against the "Truth in Government Act." The bill requires that lawmakers, their staff and lobbyists take an oath whenever they go before a House or Senate committee, and it subjects them to felony perjury charges if they lie.

"People come up here and lie every day of the week, and the statements they make affect 18-million people in the state of Florida," said bill sponsor Alex Villalobos, R-Miami. "This will restore some integrity in government."

So who would actually vote against integrity in government?

That would be Sens. Al Lawson, Mandy Dawson and Gary Siplin.

Lawson said he didn't have a problem with the provision affecting lobbyists. But applying it to lawmakers like himself went too far.

"This is the biggest conspiracy that I have ever seen," he said. "Why would you suggest a member is not telling the truth? Sen. Villalobos is trying to hold us up to the same standards as lobbyists."

Yes, other senators told him during an emotional debate. That's precisely the point.

"If we're going to hold lobbyists to this standard, we should hold ourselves to the very same standard," said Brandon Republican Ronda Storms.

Past troubles

Siplin and Dawson, some later noted, already had run-ins with the law and well-documented instances where their honesty was called into question.

Siplin, of Orlando, is currently appealing a grand theft conviction for having employees work on his re-election campaign on state time.

In 2003, Dawson underwent a rehabilitation program to avoid prosecution on a charge of prescription drug fraud. In 2002, she acknowledged that she lied in a biography claiming she had a degree from Florida A&M University.

"What if I don't know if what I'm saying is true, actually isn't true?" she said after the vote. "That opens the floodgates for ethics complaints and lawyers."

But the bill would apply only to lawmakers who knowingly make false statements, a reporter pointed out.

"Well, I've been around for a long time," she said. "And I just don't know about some of this feel-good stuff."

Several senators were flabbergasted that any elected official would vote against a bill promoting honesty. After the vote, some lobbyists were even shaking their head at the debate.

"This is the single most important bill the Legislature will do," said Democrat Jeremy Ring of South Florida. "It's beyond me that any of us could vote against this and say, 'We're against truth.' This bill will change the way government in the state of Florida is essentially done forever."

Sen. Nancy Argenziano, R-Dunnellon, was blunt as usual: "Politically, it's a dumb thing to vote against anything that's for good government. Their excuses were ridiculous."

The bill exempts members of the public who are not being paid to speak before a committee.

But lobbyists, legislative employees and lawmakers who go before Senate and House committees - critical stops for a bill making its way to the chamber floors - would have to sign a form that amounts to a sworn oath.

If later found to have knowingly lied about "any material matter," they could be prosecuted for perjury and sentenced to between five and 15 years in prison if convicted.

In Texas, anyone testifying before a legislative committee does so under oath, though it's not clear whether the requirement applies to lawmakers. A few years ago, the Idaho House of Representatives got flak for approving a measure that specifically exempted lawmakers.

House to amend bill

The House version of the bill has not been scheduled for a floor vote. It exempts legislators and staffers acting in their "official capacity." But House sponsor Marcelo Llorente, a South Florida Republican, said he will amend it to match the Senate version, and he hopes to bring it to the floor next week.

"I've been waiting 11 years for a bill like this," said Argenziano. "I've been lied to up here from the first day I came up here in the House of Representatives.

"If you intentionally lie, you should be prosecuted."

Shannon Colavecchio-Van Sickler can be reached at (850) 224-7263 or svansickler@sptimes.com.

[Last modified April 26, 2007, 23:19:07]


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by Anne 04/28/07 12:41 PM
Why this act hasn't been passed in the past is beyond me. No one in any party should support lying. These three need to go and I hope their constituents have the courage to vote them GONE.
by Ed 04/28/07 01:10 AM
somebody please tell me why I should vote...
by Erv 04/27/07 11:29 PM
Let's amend the bill to make the media coverage of the leg. that is a lie a a felony. I'll bet that would get a rise out of someone! All lies told should be felonies , if the are told in Fla. By anyone !
by Sid 04/27/07 11:05 PM
Noble concept but intellucually asinine! New information modiifies the truth on a aconstant basis . I guess the explorers who stated the world was flat would be felons in the Fla. legislature. Republicans are getting sillier by the by the day
by Sal 04/27/07 09:59 PM
The ones that would not support this bill should be voted out.
by Ted 04/27/07 06:37 PM
This is funny but serious ; why are the biggest liars claiming that they have been lied to since they arrived ; I wonder if Sen. Argenziano would under oath state that she did not deceive us about her intentions to desert her leg. district for $$$$.
by Jim 04/27/07 04:56 PM
The real victims in this debacle are the hard working people who are linked by the color of their skin to these charlatans.
by Mary 04/27/07 04:07 PM
Is this real or from the Dave Chappel show?Dawson must still be on whatever she got off in rehab.Nothing like giving the Klan fodder for its racist propaganda?Think before you vote
by Deborah 04/27/07 03:54 PM
Could anyone please explain to me,how Siplin a convicted felon and Dawson a lier are allowed to remain Senators?? We teach our children to be honest, the honest kids go to Iraq while the others run for public office !!!!!!
by Horace & Marilyn 04/27/07 03:42 PM
We are flabbergasted that this even has to be considered! It should have always existed! Our legislators & lawmakers should be above reproach! What are felons doing there anyway?
by Pat 04/27/07 03:39 PM
What are they doing in office, they are liars and in trouble with the law, what and who put them in office unbelievable. I am not a democrat but I can promise I will not vote for these idots ever
by MIKE 04/27/07 03:20 PM
I don't care what color they are purgery is purgery i'm white and I can lie just as good as any black person coincedence I DON'T THINK SO!!!
by ROGER 04/27/07 03:18 PM
GAIL, YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT. FELONS IN FL CANT VOTE,SERVE ON A JURY, OR RUN FOR OFFICE. THEY MUST HAVE LIED ON THEIR SUBMISSIONS, AND NOBODY CHECKED. SOME RESEARCH MIGHT TURN UP ELECTION FRAUD !
by ROGER 04/27/07 03:08 PM
THIS HAS TO BE THE MOST ABSURD DISPLAY BY POLITICIANS EVER ! THEY ARE A DISGRACE, AND SHOULD BE RECALLED BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS. THESE THREE TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE LAW ETC, YET THEY WON'T PASS A LAW TO TELL THE TRUTH ? GET RID OF THEM !
by David 04/27/07 02:57 PM
All are african american, 2 of 3 are being investigated for crimes. Coincedence, I dont think so
by Gail 04/27/07 02:41 PM
What are felons doing in the government? I am not believing this,please publish the districts that they are in so that everyone will know not to ever vote them in again. It is a shame to have to pass a bill to force our politicians to tell the truth
by Mark 04/27/07 02:34 PM
This is ridiculous. They should be spending all their time on real issues....like property taxes, crime, and health care!
by jack s 04/27/07 02:11 PM
To Dem. Ring, to say this bill will change the way fl govt is done, is naive at best. the nature of the beast will remain the same. All politicians lie. Always have always will. This bill only restricts who the lies are told to and when.
by Sam 04/27/07 01:56 PM
I must really be naïve. I assumed it was already illegal for them to knowingly lie during official proceedings.
by Chris 04/27/07 01:53 PM
Nicole, you're completely missing the point. Yes people may still lie, however if caught they will be subject to felony perjury charges, just as if they were untruthful on the stand in a court of law. Prior to this change, there were no consequences.
by Lee 04/27/07 01:41 PM
Yes, Ms Dawson....make SURE that what you are saying is true before hand...NO EXCUSE! How did these 3 get in office???? KUDOS to the Senate for pass this!
by josh 04/27/07 01:38 PM
Nicole: It doesn't ensure that no lies are told, it discourages lying with severe consequences (felony purjury charges)
by Joe 04/27/07 01:32 PM
This is long over due. Sad we even need a bill to make people in public office tell the truth
by Tracee 04/27/07 01:12 PM
What is amazing to me in all of this is that we actually have to pass a BILL to REQUIRE our lawmakers to tell the truth! UNBELIEVABLE!
by Gilbert 04/27/07 01:04 PM
This is a great "idea and Bill"! It can be easily attached to the "Government in the Susnshine Law". While these "so- called" public servant have misgivings about this bill, I'd like to remind them of a thing called "elections", and INTEGRITY! Jokers
by John 04/27/07 01:03 PM
Thanks for confirming Sens. Al Lawson, Mandy Dawson and Gary Siplin are liars and represent the worst in Florida politics. My checkbook is ready to support whoever runs against them in the next election. We need these junkies and crooks out of office
by zippy 04/27/07 12:54 PM
"What if I don't know if what I'm saying is true, actually isn't true?" Say what ? Career politician no doubt .
by Lemar 04/27/07 12:39 PM
Its an embarrasing day to be an african American in Florida thanks to these disgusting individuals.
by Henry 04/27/07 12:36 PM
Long overdue for all parties involved in the Legislative process. Do the right thing and place these provision into law.
by Jeff 04/27/07 12:31 PM
It's nice that the Times is finally pointing out flaws in the Democratic Party. Hopefully it will continue to do so with the same zeal that it does against other political parties.
by NICOLE 04/27/07 12:25 PM
HOW IS ANYONE OATH, LAW, OR WHATEVER GOING TO ENSURE THAT NO LIES ARE TOLD???? WHAT DO THEY CONSTITUTE A LIE AS? THEIR HAS TO BE MORE TO THIS STORY BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
by JT 04/27/07 11:25 AM
3 Democrats voted against it. That is only part of the story. How many wanted to vote against it is what is so troubling. Of course the Republicans are not much better.Average Americans and Floridians need a viable 3rd Party to give us a real choice
by Diane 04/27/07 10:30 AM
It is common knowledge that politicians lie all the time to "protect" us. They are supposed to be honest. It's a shame that we even have to consider a law like this. It's a good one!
by Pat 04/27/07 10:00 AM
a politician tell the truth all the time, you are asking for the impossible, the democrats just want us to do as they say not as they do, truth would be refreshing
by Butch 04/27/07 09:32 AM
Honesty in government? What a concept!
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