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Someday is not today
One of these days, principal owner Stuart Sternberg will begin talking about the need for a new stadium for the Rays. But not yet.
By Gary Shelton
Published May 9, 2007
Soon enough, the subject will come up.
Soon enough, the debate will begin.
Stuart Sternberg will talk quietly, because that is his way. He will not threaten, because that would not be smart. He will not slam his fist into the table, because that would not work.
Soon enough, Sternberg will simply work the topic into conversation, a what-do-you-think mention to the right politician at the right time. Right about then, the dreaded line will be crossed.
One second, Sternberg will say "new."
The next, he will say "stadium."
Soon enough after that, we will see what Tampa Bay really thinks of the Rays.
It is coming. Of course it is coming. You know that in the same grand sense that you know that bills will come due and you will need a new car and, really, you should do something about retirement. In other words, it is one of those concepts you are prepared to deal with ... eventually.
But not yet.
Perhaps Sternberg arched your eyebrows Tuesday morning. In a story about the Rays' upcoming series in Orlando, the New York Times asked Sternberg about Tropicana Field. "We recognize it has a shelf life of five years, " Sternberg is quoted as saying.
To sum up Tampa Bay's response: Aack.
Given what we have seen from owners and taxpayers in the past, the statement was enough to make you grab your wallet with both hands. It certainly isn't beyond most owners to float such an idea, in a manner of an outfielder tossing blades of grass into the air to test the wind.
Sternberg swears that isn't what happened here. In an hour-long conversation with the St. Petersburg Times, Sternberg repeatedly said that he has not altered from his stance that the remaining life expectancy of the Trop is "from five to 20 years."
Also, he said this:
"I will never demand a new stadium."
And this:
"I don't expect the taxpayers to buy me a new stadium."
And this:
"No one is going to lose a team. We aren't going anywhere."
If that doesn't calm your blood, then consider this: Sternberg isn't going to talk about a new stadium (yet) because the time isn't right (yet). He hasn't proven enough (yet) or increased the payroll enough (yet) to earn the public trust he would need to get the tax help (yet).
But, yeah, it's coming.
If nothing else, the New York Times article was enough to start the conversation for the rest of us. When is a new stadium reasonable? Where should it be built? How should it look?
Oh, and there is this: Who should pay for it?
Look, it shouldn't shock anyone to find out that, when the doors close, the Rays muckety-mucks talk about a new stadium. If you owned the team, wouldn't you? Particularly with the Marlins chasing state funds for a new stadium (the Senate voted no last week) for the sixth time in seven years?
It has been three years since commissioner Bud Selig talked about the Rays' need for a new stadium. In the 17 years (and three names) since the Trop was built, 21 other stadiums have been built or approved for other major league baseball teams. In other words, the Trop is old enough to check for an expiration date.
As the Marlins' struggles show, however, getting a new stadium built is a tricky thing. There are a lot of moving parts: timing and economics and politics and popularity.
"I don't think anyone shows up with a stadium in a box, " Sternberg said. "It's not like a Road Runner cartoon, where Acme Stadium comes in and plops down a stadium with four walls."
Let's be honest. When it is time to talk about a new stadium, how you feel about it may correlate to how you feel about Sternberg. A year and a half into his ownership, there are a lot of things to like. The team is fun and the stadium is friendly and the parking is free.
Still, there is more convincing to do. The payroll has to increase. The progress has to continue. The pitching has to get better. Fans have to be convinced that in a new home, there is room for hope.
"When the time is right, it has to be something that makes sense for a lot of people, " Sternberg said. "The timing has to be right. We have to have done a lot of things right. People have to trust us."
And when will the time be right?
"You've got me, " Sternberg said.
Here's a guess. Expect the dialogue to be open fairly soon. A year, maybe two, just to feel things out.
Given the economy, expect the financing to be a scramble. Sternberg said he is open to the idea of a partnership in which the team would pay a percentage, which could help things along.
Expect some hand-wringing over whether the stadium is open air, another dome or a retractable roof stadium. Sternberg was quoted in the New York Times article that baseball didn't feel right in a dome, but he added Tuesday that it also didn't feel right in a retractable stadium, or in 91 degrees with humidity, or in the rain.
Expect some noise over where the stadium is built. Some will talk about East Tampa, but that would make it harder for the Rays to break their lease. Pinellas County is an easier sell.
Expect the construction to take a little time.
Me? I expect the Rays to have a new stadium by the 2014 season. I expect it to have a retractable roof that will be open whenever possible. I expect it to be at Progress Energy Park on the downtown St. Petersburg waterfront.
Soon enough, I expect, tickets will be available.
Gary Shelton can be reached at (727) 893-8805.
[Last modified May 8, 2007, 18:24:20]
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by David
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05/13/07 09:00 PM
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What's so bad about the Trop, or Dolphin Stadium? The New England Patriots tolerated the world's worst stadium (Schaefer) for years. Now they have one of the best. And they paid for ALL OF IT. If Bob Kraft could do it, the Rays and Marlins can do it.
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by Rocky
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05/10/07 06:07 PM
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When Sternberg opens his wallet, then maybe it will be time to talk about opening ours. I can't understand why this ownership group gets a free pass from our local media.
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by Robert
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05/10/07 08:27 AM
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Why does everything need to be in Tampa. I dont see to many people complain about Disney World way in *
Orlando...stop complaing..Its 10 minutes outside Tampa.
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by agatha
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05/09/07 08:45 PM
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The only viable location in Pinellas is Feather Sound. Otherwise the stadium should be in Hillsborough. But first things first. The tight-fisted ownership needs to spend bucks on players. Until then, it won't matter where the stadium is.
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by Frank
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05/09/07 07:21 PM
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Jamie says it all. This is not about the Dome, it's about the old story of being againts St. Petersburg having the team!
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by Paul
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05/09/07 06:55 PM
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I would rather pay $10 and watch the Clearwater Threshers. The stadium (Brighthouse Field) is MUCH more enjoyable and the team is almost as good.
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by Daniel
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05/09/07 06:21 PM
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Next door to Raymond James Stadium is the perfect location for a new retractable-roof ballpark.
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by Daniel
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05/09/07 06:16 PM
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Next door to Raymond James Stadium is the perfect location for a new retractable-roof ballpark.
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by Jamie
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05/09/07 01:51 PM
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There are tens of thousands of kids who have never seen MLB, and never will if the stadium remains in St. Pete. Relocate to Tampa and they'll see 5-6 games a year, as will thousands of older central Floridians. The Trop is just too darn far away.
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by Brandon
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05/09/07 01:13 PM
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build something on the water, make it an attraction for people to come watch a game. our weather makes it hard for outdoor games. wouldnt it be great if in the outfield we called it the "beach" and it was an actual beach.
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by Frank
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05/09/07 12:44 PM
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Let's all agree that the Al Lang site makes perfect sense. If the team gets good and they make the park a real tourist attraction, it would be a huge moneymaker for that area.
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by MIKE
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05/09/07 11:57 AM
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THE RAYS WILL BE GONE LONG BEFORE ANOTHER NEW STADIUM. PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF FUNDING RICH MENS' PLAYPENS. ME TOO!
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by Dan
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05/09/07 11:11 AM
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It is good to see that we do have forward looking ownership and members of the media on this issue.
I personally think the Trop is fine, but remember it will be the only indoor only baseball stadium after the Twins new stadium is finished.
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by Tony
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05/09/07 10:55 AM
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Only one problem with your proposed location for a new stadium: It is well known that Progress Energy Park is a very difficult place to hit home runs due to the way the breeze blows in. The scenery is beautiful, but I hope the fences are short.
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by Joe
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05/09/07 10:06 AM
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Yes! The perfect location for a new Rays stadium would be to convert Al Lang. It would be the Pac Bell Park of the East Coast. With the way downtown St. Pete has grown up, the area would be like Wrigleyville.
This is a perfect suggestion!
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by Alan
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05/09/07 10:02 AM
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Way back in the 70's I would sit in Al Lang statium and dream of having a major leauge team play along the waterfront of our city. What a wonderfull location to sit and watch the boats in the marina and soak up some Rays! But where?
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by Bob
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05/09/07 09:27 AM
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I think you've got something there with the last paragraph--It is a wise choice access-wise-And we will all cheer when they blow up the Thunderdome like they did in Seattle when they blew up the Jesterdome.
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by Jon
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05/09/07 09:03 AM
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If the Rays were smart, a retractable roof (for rainy days) would allow them to take advantage of the swealtering heat in the summer.
Like the Dolphins summer advantage, visiting teams would melt and dread coming here to play the DEVIL Rays.
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by Paco
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05/09/07 09:01 AM
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Easy decision at any time in the future! I love baseball and do attend games BUT Owners should build their own stadiums and get the entire revenue stream. Government needs to stay out of it - completely. No tax money for Baseball owners...
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by Jim
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05/09/07 08:57 AM
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I HOPE the st pete downtown waterfront is the place. makes perfect sense.
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by Anthony
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05/08/07 11:20 PM
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I can tell you this now. If the Rays are able to obtain and retractable roof stadium or may be a transluscent roof stadium, than they would have the "smell" of baseball. Baseball fans know what I am taling about. Nothing like it. Go Rays!!!!
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