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Dems' primary may not count
By ADAM C. SMITH
Published May 9, 2007
What if Democratic voters turned out for a presidential primary in Florida and their vote didn't count?
No, this isn't a Katherine Harris joke.
It's an option national Democratic leaders are seriously considering as they grapple with Florida's newly scheduled 2008 presidential primary date, which could upend the national primary process and produce yet another weird Florida election. Consider the scenario:
On Jan. 29, Florida Republicans and Democrats head to the polls to pick presidential nominees. Republican votes count, just as you would expect, but the results for Democrats would be nonbinding. No delegates would be awarded based upon the results and instead party activists and insiders would decide on some later date how to divvy up the state's more than 200 delegates to the Democratic national convention.
It's not so far-fetched.
"I think it's much higher than 50-50 that we will make Jan. 29 a nonbinding" election, said Jon Ausman, a veteran Democratic organizer in Tallahassee and member of the Democratic National Committee.
Florida Democratic chairwoman Karen Thurman and state executive director Leonard Joseph have been meeting with national party leaders this week to reach an agreement on how to deal with the Democratic National Committee penalties for violating the national party's scheduling rules.
"Possibilities include accepting the Jan. 29th date and the penalties that go along with it or holding a party-run caucus at a later date, " Thurman said in an e-mail to Democrats on Tuesday.
Exactly how a caucus would work is not yet clear, but a straw poll among gathered Democrats is likely to be the method of deciding how to parcel out delegates to candidates.
The confusion springs from the decision by Florida lawmakers to move the state's primary from March to January. The move scrambled the carefully arranged schedule that both national parties had laid out for the primaries, aimed at giving a more diverse group of states say in the early nominating process.
National Democrats have particularly strict penalties for violating the schedule they set. Now they are looking at imposing penalties, including forfeiting any nominating delegates from Florida, that have some in the party worried the Democratic presidential candidates might wind up all but ignoring Florida.
With a host of states, including giants such as California, New York and Texas, set to hold elections Feb. 5, why spend millions of dollars campaigning in a state with no delegates at stake?
"If I'm a presidential candidate, I've got to store my chestnuts for the 5th of February, and I'm better off saying, 'I'm not going to play in a state like Florida that's just a beauty contest. I'm better off having my momentum on Feb. 5 carry me on, ' " said Allan Katz, a Democratic fundraiser in Tallahassee and Barack Obama supporter.
Katz thinks Democrats should make the statewide election on Jan. 29 nonbinding, and then hold a party nominating convention later in February to award Florida's delegates.
But Chris Hand, a Jacksonville lawyer and former Democratic campaign strategist, questioned whether Democrats might hurt themselves in the long run by turning Jan. 29 into a "beauty contest."
"The danger is that every Republican candidate spends time here trying to win Florida, and the Democrats are noticeably absent, " said Hand, a former aide to Sen. Bob Graham, who managed Alex Sink's campaign for chief financial officer last year. "That doesn't play out well in the general election. I wouldn't want to be the Democratic presidential nominee who skipped Florida's primary."
Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson also questioned the wisdom of making the Jan. 29 Democratic primary nonbinding: "I support the Florida Legislature's effort to broaden the state's role in national elections. I don't see how making the Democratic primary nonbinding serves the interests of either voters or taxpayers, " he said.
Winning a presidential nomination is ultimately about winning delegates to the national convention. But winning an election counts for something, too.
"Even without the delegates attached, if you win the Florida primary, that's going to be a huge, " said Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, D-Weston. "I can't imagine the presidential candidates not crossing the Florida border for a Jan. 29 election as the result of some arcane party rules designed to protect states that are not as diverse as Florida."
But with so many big states holding elections so early, candidates can't afford full-bore campaigns everywhere. Some Democrats fear that doing anything to diminish the Jan. 29 Florida primary - either through the DNC yanking all delegates or an agreement to make it nonbinding - would encourage candidates to delay mounting a serious Florida campaign.
"The risk here is we put our Democratic candidates and our eventual nominee at a disadvantage in one of the most important states in the country, " said Democratic consultant Karl Koch of Tampa. "There's no good option, I just hope we keep our eye on the ball - which is November of '08."
Florida Democrats had no power to stop the early presidential primary date in the Republican-controlled Legislature and most supported the idea through most of the session.
Still, the Republican penalties for holding such an early primary are nowhere near as stiff as the Democratic penalties. Republican National Committee general chairman Mel Martinez, Florida's junior senator, has not voiced any complaint about Republican lawmakers violating RNC rules with an early presidential primary.
"I'm not so sure whether the Republicans did us a favor or whether they had something more Machiavellian in mind with this, " said Mitch Ceasar, Broward County's Democratic chairman. "We're in uncharted territory here, and people are very torn."
Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727)893-8241.
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by Josesito
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03/11/08 09:59 AM
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I hope that puts a stop in your blind party faith. I am a true republican, one who knows wrong from right.
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by Harry M. Sawyer, Jr.
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03/07/08 07:29 PM
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Why doesn't someone point out that it was the Florida Democrat Party that approached Gov Crist and asked for his support in having the Fla primary early. It was not a Republican idea !!!!
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by Daniel
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03/05/08 08:43 PM
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Would would the total delegate count be Clinton v. Obama if Florida and Michigan were apportioned according to the democratic party system?
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by O.R.C
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01/30/08 05:39 PM
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I am a 47year old African American female born in Florida.I am glad the Republicans are continuing to underesitmate the inteligence of Floridian Democrats.We turned out to vote yesterday inspite of it all.Our vote has already affected the election.Ha
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by diana
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01/30/08 05:22 PM
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your vote counts...go VOTE!!!!its just some BS, im democtatic i will vote!
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by Jeffrey
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01/30/08 12:37 PM
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Florida's treatment of it's democratic constituents is reprehensible. Unilaterial condemnation of any voters ballot being deemed non binding must be invoked by democrat and republicians alike or no vote is secure in a fledgling fascist state. UNION!!
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by Carmen
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01/30/08 12:12 AM
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Well, the Republicans Screwed us again!
Thanks for nothing. No wonder, professional persons in Fl. need to move out of state...we are not making any money. Again, thanks for nothing.
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by Stephanie
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01/29/08 10:39 AM
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I am a democrate and I will vote Jan 29th I am not going to let anyone stop me. That is what the republicans are trying to do.
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by Sandy
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01/27/08 05:59 PM
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As a Democrat living in Flordia, I am teribbly upset that the Democrats have allowed this to heppen. Shame on you!
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by Deborah
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01/27/08 09:45 AM
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If the Rep are such good Christians they will know that what they've done in Florida by voting to change the date of the primary is an injust to ALL people & I really don't think that GOD will be very happy with them at the Pearly Gates. VOTE
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by Sandy
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01/25/08 02:35 AM
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i still plan on showing up and voting.
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by Julia
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01/24/08 06:45 PM
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I can't believe what I am reading...mad at the DNC? This was a move that was introduced and shoved down the demoncrats throat. The majority Republican party knew it could not be overridden...why would anyone change parties to join a bunch of crooks
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by Betty
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01/20/08 05:41 PM
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In an election this important, the Democrats cannot afford to lose their delegates. This is deja vu.
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by orica
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01/20/08 04:44 PM
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Since the only other thing on the ballot is the property tax amendment I wonder what the republicans will gain regarding that vote if the democrats don't bother to go to the poles. Lets look at the whole picture.
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by Clifton
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01/20/08 06:08 AM
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I think the republicans were just trying to stack the deck in there favor come November,we need a National Election process which is watched at the national level. Each year they would stipulate which days each state would go. You must go on that day
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by Amy
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01/17/08 07:58 AM
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I think Dems should go & vote anyway. The media will cover it & the nation will see that Dems do matter in FL. Of the Fl registered voters, (approx)40% are Dem while 38% are Rep yet Rep carry the state. I think if you want to count, you have to vote.
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by Amy
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01/17/08 07:39 AM
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I didn't understand the problem so I looked it up. The dates for primaries are selected way in advance by the DNC & RNC with clear rules & penalties for changing them. The Rep-controlled congress voted to move the date up 1 week knowing the penalties
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by Amy
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01/17/08 07:24 AM
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The DNC was not responsible for changing the primary date in Fl, Rep-controlled Congress was. While RNC penalties for changing the date still allows them 1/2 their delegate votes, DNC rules do not. Rep congress is trying to discourage the dem voter.
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by Sherry
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01/16/08 08:26 AM
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Blaming Bush for the DNC's response to a state's elected legislature's decision? The question is why is the DNC is letting Bush/Cheney/Republicans etc. tell them that FL votes do not count? Dems take responsibility for the DNC's inept leadership.
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by Amy
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01/11/08 06:57 PM
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Did some of you not read the paragraph stating "Florida democratics had no power to stop the early primary date in a Republican-controlled Legislature" Republicans can't win an election honestly so they cheat. And they call themselves Christians. Ha!
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by Bonnie
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01/08/08 12:30 PM
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Yet another example where our Florida Lawmakers lack any respect for the people they are supposed to serve. Their behavior is criminal, crooked, and self-interested. Our last election was botched, and now its happening again. Disgusting.
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by Henry
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12/30/07 10:41 AM
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Looks to me like the Republicans will take Florida in the General election. If my vote don't count as a democrat I may vote Republican in the General election.
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by Charlotte
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12/27/07 05:33 PM
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Obama has his people out electioneering
for Jan. 29. Where are the other candidates?
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by stacy
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12/08/07 12:39 PM
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As a New Yorker, I say, what does it matter what happens in Florida? When it comes to the big show, Florida counters will be cheating again anyway. Last, I checked, they helped the republicans steal the last election from Gore.
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by Triina
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10/28/07 07:55 AM
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I am more upset with the comments than I am with the article. If you read carefully, this started with the Repulican party. If the Democrates are to blame, it lies with their ability to be flexible and organized. Don't fall into the Republican trap!
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by adrian marella
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10/22/07 01:16 AM
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This is disgusting. yet another chip at our freedoms. These spineless democrats make me sick
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by Dee Toohey
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10/09/07 05:01 PM
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This from a party who went to the US Supreme Court so that Florida voters were not disenfranchised! Now they are telling Floridians loud and clear that we don't count at all! I hope Floridians sends the message in November 2007/2008 that we do count!
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by Wend
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10/04/07 10:19 AM
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As a life long Democrat I'll vote then I'm changing to Independent cause neither party has the public interest in mind.
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by Kayy =]
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10/01/07 04:29 PM
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ridiculous! democrats are supposed to be the ones that stands up for the voters rights and this is a hypocritical type of situation! not good =[
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by T.
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09/19/07 11:19 AM
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Aren't Democrats supposed to be the party that stands up for voters' rights? That's one of the reasons I chose to be a Democrat. Seems like disenfranchising voters (esp. Dem voters) would leave a bad taste in our leaders' mouths.
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by Jim
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09/17/07 08:21 PM
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My 40 year old son decided he would become a Republican because his Democratic vote wouldn't count. I argued it couldn't be so and made no sense. Then I read this article and had to eat crow. But vote for an R, even in a primary? Never.
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by Linda
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09/13/07 10:53 AM
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oh boy, 1st we have to put up with King George and Uncle Dick - rub salt in my wounds. This is the U.S., right? I can't believe this has even been talked about - this belongs in a work of fiction - just like the characters in the White House.
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by Jack
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08/26/07 12:07 AM
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Why do FL Dems keep having their votes taken away? I am very upset; even considering switching parties. Actually, I would really love to sue the U.S. Gov. for taking away my right to vote!
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by Mike
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08/25/07 01:15 PM
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Looks like the Democrats finally found someone they're willing to stand up to---themselves
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by Susan
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05/24/07 09:03 PM
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I am furious with both the State Legislature for insisting that the Florida primary be so early and with the Democratic Party for disinfranchising every voting democrat in Florida. Are we being told once again that our votes are worthless?
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