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Politics

Clinton, Giuliani lead in Florida

But especially among Republicans -- and with months to go -- other leaders could emerge.

By ADAM C. SMITH, Times Political Editor
Published May 13, 2007


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Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani are leading their closest presidential rivals 2-1 in Florida, the battleground state suddenly poised to have a major say in deciding the presidential nominees.

But a new St. Petersburg Times/Bay News 9 poll shows that despite their big leads -- Clinton tops the Democratic field by 23 percentage points, and Giuliani leads the GOP slate by 14 -- the frontrunners have not secured Florida's support nearly nine months before the primaries.

That's especially true for the GOP, where one in three Republicans is either undecided or supporting someone not yet in the race.

"On the Republican side, it's still wide open," said pollster Kellyanne Conway.

The survey found 29 percent of Florida Republican voters backing Giuliani, while John McCain and Mitt Romney were statistically tied at 15 percent and 14 percent respectively. Seventeen percent were undecided.

"You cannot make the argument that someone at 29 percent has locked up the nomination that's still months away," Conway said.

The Democratic primary also looks unpredictable, but the poll shows New York Sen. Clinton stronger in Florida than polls show her nationwide or in other key states. Among Democratic voters polled, 42 percent supported Clinton, 19 percent backed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, 12 percent John Edwards and 17 percent were undecided.

"Hillary is very close to pulling this primary away," said pollster Tom Eldon, noting that even among African-American Florida Democrats Clinton had a comfortable lead over Obama.

The telephone survey of 901 voters was conducted May 6 to May 9 for the St. Petersburg Times and Bay News 9 from a list of registered Florida voters by Schroth, Eldon & Associates, whose clients are primarily Democrats, and the Polling Company, which mainly works with Republicans. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.5 percent overall, and 5 percent for the Democratic primary and 5.4 percent for the Republican primary.

The Republican contest is tighter in the bay area than statewide. Among Republicans in the region, Giuliani has 25 percent, followed by 19 percent for McCain. In Pinellas County, a bastion for moderate Republicans, McCain led Giuliani 26 percent to 18 percent.

In Hillsborough County, 31 percent of Republicans said they backed Giuliani, compared with 14 percent for McCain. One in four Hillsborough Republicans supported former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, an actor who hasn't decided if he will run. Statewide, Thompson had 9 percent support, essentially the same as potential candidate Newt Gingrich.

"Fred Thompson's numbers make me think if anyone's going to catch fire, it's going to be him," Eldon said.

While nearly one in three Democrats were "very satisfied" with the field of candidates, only 15 percent of Republicans felt that way.

"I'm discouraged with what I see with the Republican ticket running for president," said Patricia Street, a 69-year-old hairdresser from St. Petersburg who is Republican. "I don't see any of them as strong, except for Fred Thompson."

The presidential campaign is under way earlier than ever before, and more than seven in 10 Florida voters said they already are following the race somewhat closely or very closely.

Florida stands to play a much greater role in the nominating process than it has in years past because state lawmakers moved the state's primary election from March to January 29. That makes Florida the first megastate to weigh in on the nominations, followed by some 20 states expected to vote on Feb. 5.

"Florida would be great to construct a few more private jet runways to accommodate all the activity you're going to get, " Conway said. "There is no presidential candidate of either political party who can write off Florida (in the primary) and pretend to be a serious contender."

But the path to overtaking the frontrunner looks tougher for the Democrats than the Republicans.

"I tell you, I've said for 20 years now, what this country needs is a woman president, and I still feel that way," said 70-year-old Bill Vierheller, a retired city employee in Clearwater.

Clinton's support among Democrats drops 9 percentage points in the conservative Panhandle, but she still leads the field in every region and demographic group, including Hispanic and African-American voters.

"Memo to Bill Richardson: You might want to remind people in Florida that you are Hispanic," Conway said of the New Mexico governor barely registering in the polls.

Edwards is stronger among white voters than other demographic groups, and Obama leads the field among voters under age 35. Young voters, though, often don't turn out in big numbers.

Among the Republicans, Giuliani is especially strong in South Florida, McCain is strongest in the Panhandle, with its heavy military concentration, and Romney is strongest in Central Florida.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Romney has been organizing a particularly aggressive Florida campaign for months, and this poll is the first to show him in position to pose a serious threat to the better known Giuliani and McCain.

Times staff writers Jennifer Liberto and Steve Bousquet contributed to this report. Adam C. Smith can be reached at (727)893-8241 or asmith@sptimes.com.

[Last modified May 12, 2007, 23:27:16]


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by Dee 11/29/07 06:38 PM
Floridians you need to STOP and think !!!Rudy is not the honorable man you think he is.Gov.Romney should be your choice.BEWARE of Shady Rudy.
by Joe 10/19/07 12:49 PM
Ron Paul is the only true choice for freedom, personal responsibility, and limited government.
by sirrahcirdec 09/10/07 03:12 PM
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by Jeff 08/22/07 12:19 PM
"Giuliani Spent Twice As Much Time At Yankees Games Than Ground Zero In '01" (www.inforwars.com). According to OpenSecrets.org - Fox News has contributed $100K to Hillary. Does news media have a slant?!! Try www.WorldNetDaily & www.Infowars.com!!!
by Jeff 08/22/07 12:11 PM
What choices do you have except Ron Paul? Try looking into Giuliani's Law firm and "who" he is representing on www.infowars.com - referring to the super highways planned for America from Mexico to Canada. Don't want another Clinton. RONPAUL2008.COM
by FreeANDindependent 07/05/07 07:02 PM
regardless of age, wealth or race... Ron Paul defends your right to LIVE FREE! Ron Paul for President!!!!! WE WILL NOT BE IGNORED!! WE WANT FREEDOM!!! RON PAUL IS OUR LEADER!!
by anne 06/05/07 07:31 PM
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton 28 years of the Bush-Clinton duopoly is TOO MUCH!! dwards has led the way with plans that resonate with the working poor and middle classes. Perhaps that's why the media focuses on his hair and {gasp!} - wealth?
by anne 06/05/07 07:23 PM
Another Fox News fundraiser for Hillary! http://www.nypost.com/seven/05012007/news/nationalnews/hill_ywood_cash_bash_in_works_nationalnews_ian_bishop.htm Also Rupert Murdoch gave her a HUGE fundraiser last year! She's in bed with media!
by anne 06/05/07 07:18 PM
Gee - I'm wondering if voters actually know about Hillary's close ties to the auto indu$try - http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/local-and-08-politics-clash-for-clinton-2007-05-15.html Her chief strategist,Mark Penn,is a Repub and union buster!
by Peter 05/29/07 02:52 PM
Hilary does not read NIE, votes for war, changes her mind because she was lied to, supports the troops, but votes against funding of the troops. For some of you this conveluded thought process is acceptable, but for those who serve she is dangerous.
by Matt 05/21/07 05:17 PM
Ron Paul is the man. I would give him more if I could.
by Ken 05/15/07 07:22 PM
Ron Paul is the only man, Democrat or Republican, fit to be president. He is the only man that has a fighting chance of rescuing our faltering Republic. Support and vote Ron Paul!
by Dick 05/14/07 10:59 AM
I have no need to read any poll, I know who my vote is going to and I'm only waiting to hear the candidate say that " when elected he intends to purge the entire justice department and start fresh with people who practice law for the sake of law only
by Dick 05/14/07 10:55 AM
Polls and polling do have their use, but I really believe that we are abusing it to the point that polls are no longer news. Starting the run for the nominations so early will only benefit the media and will result in making the voter bored.
by anne 05/14/07 10:53 AM
According to OpenSecrets.org - Fox News has contributed $100K to Hillary. Total media contributions to Hillary are over $700K and Obama received over $100K. Last year - Murdock gave a HUGE fundraiser for Hillary.
by Robert 05/14/07 10:33 AM
Thats my gril GO HILLARY
by John 05/14/07 09:03 AM
I am encouraged by Mitt Romney's progress. To my way of thinking, we need a man with brains, reat executive ability and proven leadership capabilities. There are many fine men in the race, but few, if any can match Mitt in this area.
by JT 05/13/07 11:34 PM
This country cannot take another Clinton or Bush. Look at all the holdover, leftover and retread officials in GOVT now. These elitist are a huge part of the problem. We need a GOVT with new blood and view of USA not as a piece of a One World Govt.
by jim 05/13/07 11:00 PM
We need a President who is not devisive. There are only two people running that can accomplish unity: Giuliani and Richardson. Let's bring politics back to the middle for America's sake.
by mike 05/13/07 09:58 PM
milton, and clancy are idots.
by Clancy 05/13/07 09:47 AM
I agree with Bill; too many wars, its time to elect a woman president. Hopefully, she will use more common sense than the knucklehead we have now. You go girls.
by Milton 05/13/07 09:45 AM
From middle school to high school, it is usually girls who run student government. No time to stop now...my vote's for Hillary....
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