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What?! A $107 steak?!
An elegant French restaurant. A divine entree. A shocking bill. Gastronomic joy becomes economic horror.
By LAURA REILEY
Published May 16, 2007
We were ushered in with the hushed tones a mortician uses for the viewing of the body. It was that kind of place - a single red rose, men to whom I'm not related easing linen napkins into my lap, cream sauces, vegetables manipulated energetically into geometric shapes. It was a traditional French restaurant, and anyone who dines out regularly has a rough idea of how this goes. There's the recitation of the specials, the presentation of the cork, then the squinting at the menu through the romantic murk. It was my first visit to Chateau France, a fairly new restaurant on N Dale Mabry Highway in Tampa, sister property to the restaurant of the same name in St. Petersburg. Chef-owner Antoine Louro is opening a third location any day on S Howard Avenue in Tampa, so he must have hit upon a formula that works. But this isn't a restaurant review. I'm reporting a freak accident, very rare in the Carrollwood area. I was blindsided by a Kobe beef. Stoic in the aftermath of the violence, I paid my bill and beat a hasty retreat. What am I talking about? It was right there on the bill: a $107 entree. That's right, a single entree, for a single person. This entree might have broken the price barrier in the Tampa Bay area and, like the sound barrier, its sonic boom has left ringing in my ears. It was the cost of my part of the rent for my first apartment, the most expensive pair of shoes I ever bought by the time I was 30 - a weighty sum. But it's not the amount that has caused my teeth to gnash; it is that the price was not on the menu. Our waiter pushed the specials, pushed the "market price" items, and never indicated their prices. I was the host that evening; my friend ordered the Japanese beef, and I felt like I'd look like a cheapskate if I asked the price. That price turned out, at the end of the night, to be $107. 'Don't tell' leaves diners in the dark Who is to blame? We buy things all the time, the prices knowable or negotiable in advance. We see the price and buy, pass or dicker. Nowhere but restaurants are we expected to make a purchase based on faith. It's the lone arena in which we allow this strange don't-ask-don't-tell form of commerce to occur. In response, the dining public has slowly adopted one of several strategies: Don't order specials for which prices are not volunteered; demand to know the prices even if it's awkward; or guess that the prices will be $10 more than the printed menu prices. So what happens if the special is more than three times the price of most menu entrees? Some would say that the onus is on the dining public to be educated. Come on, they say, Kobe beef doesn't come cheap. Anyone knows that. So I asked a couple of experts about all this. I called Chris Ponte, chef-owner of Cafe Ponte, and said, "$107!" He said, "With a price like that, we would have our waiters state the price. The idea with specials is to be creative with something not normally on the menu. By not telling the price, you're almost trapping the customer; you can put the customer in a bad position. When it's going to be over $20 from the menu prices, it's our responsibility to tell the customer, be fair to the guest. You don't want them to leave feeling like they've been taken." My point exactly. But then I said, "Kobe beef." And he said, "That's a harder one. It's a touchy subject. If it's a regular filet mignon and they try to gouge you for 70 or 80 bucks, that's one thing. But if you use special ingredients, like a true Kobe beef, the responsibility of the waiter is to feel out that guest. How knowledgeable are they?" So, it sounds like maybe we fell in the "not knowledgeable" category. Maybe we're just provincial. I decided to go further afield, to find out if everybody knows about this Kobe-equals-$107 phenomenon. I called Ezra Eichelberger, a professor of menu development at the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, N.Y. He spends his days exploring just such issues with aspiring chefs. "$107?!" I said. His answer was more measured: "What I teach my students is that the rule is: The highest-priced entree should not exceed two and a half times the lowest-priced entree." The lowest-priced entree at Chateau France was $24, so, using this formula, the highest shouldn't be above $60? Then I asked if Wagyu Kobe beef is a household word elsewhere in the country. "Most people would know that Kobe is more expensive than regular beef, but how much more expensive? Gold is more than silver, but how much more? You'd know the price if you went to a jewelry store." So I decided to go to the jeweler himself. One disgruntled patron begets another Antoine Louro told me the story of something that happened at his Chateau France in St. Petersburg three years ago. Two couples, all dressed casually, came in to dinner. The waiter ran through the specials, listing prices, and one of the gentlemen went ballistic. Getting up, he threw cash on the table, insisting that the waiter was insulting him by enumerating the prices, the implication being that the waiter was concerned about their ability to pay. Since that time, Louro's servers have ditched the verbal prices. The menus, instead, urge guests to "Please ask your server for market price." And about the Kobe? Louro said the cost to him is $135 per pound, before trimming with up to 45 percent of the product lost during trim. That cost is passed on to the consumer. Definitely more like gold than silver. Jeannie Pierola, executive chef of Bern's Steak House and SideBern's (who, for the record, always prints her specials and their prices), tried to be gentle with me. "Pricing specials comes down to one thing: What is the product involved? I understand that that is a high number for an entree. But I'm going to suggest that that particular piece of meat cost the restaurant half of that." I think she was saying that I should have expected a price like that. But then Pierola added, "But no one is going to buy a car without a price tag. Part of restaurateuring is building expectations. Being informed heightens any experience." So here's my solution: Print the specials, list their prices in black and white, allow the servers to wax rhapsodic over them if the spirit moves, but leave the dining public to decide if they're in a $107 mood - a mood that I've yet to experience. Laura Reiley can be reached at (727) 892-2293 or lreiley@sptimes.com.
[Last modified May 15, 2007, 02:26:11]
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by Jerry
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05/23/07 11:18 PM
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Your article on restaurant "specials" and "market price" was rather interesting. When my wife and I dine out and the waiter rattles off with the specials, my wife, bless her soul, never lets herself feel intimidated
by asking the price.
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by Zenner
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05/23/07 01:53 PM
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Alberta beef, best anywhere and allot cheaper. A steak like that for less then $10. A hundred bucks saved to treat my friends to a steak dinner at my house. Sucks to be you if your not here.
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by Dru
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05/22/07 01:36 AM
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Unlike most commentators, I have actually dined several times at Chateau France. The service is excellent, the meals superb. The sauces they offer preclude the need for ordering Wagyu or Australian beef. JUST ASK THE WAITER IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
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by Mike in Holiday
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05/21/07 05:19 PM
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My colleague ordered abalone which was listed at "Market Price" in SF.She did not inquire what "market" was. Later on she heard an "OH MY GOD!" from a nearby table when their check arrived. Turns out abalone's market price was $160 in 1995....
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by Eric
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05/21/07 01:11 PM
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Glad the price of Bern's was mentioned, however please note that they don't serve Kobe Filet... only Delmonico and and NY Strip cuts for that price!
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by Bob
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05/19/07 06:22 AM
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About a halof-century ago I spent 12 years in Omaha, Neb where I used to eat at a restaurant that advertised their steaks as: "...so tender that a knife is only a formality." And for $5.00 you also got a baked vegetable!
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by Amelia
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05/19/07 12:32 AM
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Maybe you should have tried thier Kobe filet with shaved black truffles and fresh fois gras on it too...a Rossini...that would have set you back about $160...ohh well, maybe next time Laura
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by John DeGras
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05/19/07 12:29 AM
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Some restaurants even go so far as to hand everyone at the table except for th man paying a menu missing prices. As is custom for most European countries to treat a lady right and never let her worry about the price of an item, at least they don't
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by Amelia
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05/19/07 12:25 AM
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Would have been nice if Jeannie Pierola had mentioned what she charges for a Kobe at her restaurant...$20 an ounce, making the Chateau Frace filet (7-8 ounces) worth $140 or more...HA...Pierola should have discolsed her own prices before criticising
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by gourmand
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05/18/07 09:04 PM
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Chateau France is by far the most expensive restaurant in the area, yet doesn't even come close in quality to Bern's, Shula's, Capital Grille, Armani's, Marchand's, etc. C. F.'s craven greed and overpricing is a total turnoff. AVOID THIS PLACE! ! !
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by April
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05/17/07 09:18 PM
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Many places write "market price" on thier menus because prices fluctuate. Many food distributers vary thier prices based on season. I have seen this before with Lobster Tail marked "market price". It is the consumers responsiblity to ASK if u care
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by April
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05/17/07 01:57 PM
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How does one become a SPT food critic anyways? I could think of a handful of people that would be much more qualified. I urge you to research your findings and menus before dining out again on SPT wallet. I don't feel that they did anything wrong.
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by Adahm
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05/17/07 01:56 PM
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Who is their distributer? The majority of "Wagyu" beef here is actually Angus Wagyu cross raised in the U.S. There is not enough Japanese Wagyu to supply even the few highend places in the country that actual serve it. I think you were ripped off.
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by April
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05/17/07 01:53 PM
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You my dear are the one to blame, if not solely for your ignorance as a consumer. As for your dinner date, I would chose more cautiously next time. Select a friend who can possibly educate YOU on food quality, you seem to need it.
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by Andi
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05/17/07 01:02 AM
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Maye you should go with the old saying, "If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it." However, I do feel the restaurant was in the wrong for not disclosing the price of such an expensive item.
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by Tammy
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05/17/07 12:05 AM
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Manolo's in Zephyrhills is the same way!! They charge outrages prices especially on drinks and do not list the prices. The prices change daily. Everyone is out to get rich at others expense. Market price should be listed.
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by Candi
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05/16/07 11:55 PM
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That os unreal $107.00 for one meal glad you got it out in the paper on this resturant alot of people can't aford that for one meal that's a week full of groc. at home crasy wonder how long they will be in bussiness? Thank's for letting us know.
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by Lana
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05/16/07 11:09 PM
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People go because they can then say that they did being the sheeple that they are-like a lot of the idiot snobs writing comments. They could serve dirt and some would eat it.
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by doug
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05/16/07 10:46 PM
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was your guest impressed with the quality of the steak????
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by Al
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05/16/07 09:07 PM
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There is no doubt that Chateau France is the biggest rip-off in the Bay area. I have been there several times and I will NEVER go back. Look at YAHOO LOCAL to see Chateau France's reviews & add your own if you are a victim. Why do people go there?
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by Luke
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05/16/07 08:07 PM
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"$135 per pound, before trimming with up to 45 percent of the product lost during trim." Wow, this would be the first restaurant I had heard of that threw away offcuts instead of using them for some stock, sauce, or other dish
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by Red
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05/16/07 07:43 PM
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A. If your in a place that is selling Kobe(which only recently has been exported to the US)chances are your not looking at your bill just passing you amex black to the server and on your way. and btw TRUE Kobe is not going to be any less than 125$/lb
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by Elaine
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05/16/07 07:33 PM
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AMEN!!!
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by drinklime
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05/16/07 07:30 PM
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I really miss the old Florida. No Kobe, snowbirds, or snobs in sight.
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by Kayla
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05/16/07 06:56 PM
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I bet she just didn't want to TIP on the $107 (like MOST women I have had the DISPLEASURE of serving). If you don't know what KOBE BEEF is, stick to the low-rent patty-melts. AND STOP ORDERING WATER WITH LEMON AND NOT TIPPING ON THE 6 REFILLS!!!
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by Trish
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05/16/07 06:54 PM
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A $107.00 Kobe steak, while properly priced is a rip-off when the price is not listed on the menu. Even in NY, prices are clearly marked lest a disgruntled patron begin throwing chairs. I know, I've seen it all.
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by Renee
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05/16/07 06:42 PM
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My problem with this is that I don't see what Kobe beef has to do with traditional French cuisine. An expensive French menu conjures up thoughts of foie gras or truffles. I feel Kobe was added to cater to diners who look to impress.
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by Soupgoblin
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05/16/07 06:17 PM
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Only pretentious people would pay that much for an aged steak (i.e. old meat), for that much money here in Dallas Texas, I could eat steak all week long, decent portions too, not those tiny little portions you get at the sissy french eateries.
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by Scott
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05/16/07 06:12 PM
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Agree with Megan... It would appear a SPT rookie took a friend to dinner on the paper's expense account and was shocked at the tab. Why castigate the restaurant for a clear case of naivete?
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by Vic
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05/16/07 05:27 PM
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I am sorry, but not even Kobe should be 107.This is not the 1st complaint I have heard about the practices at this restaurant.
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by Colin
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05/16/07 05:21 PM
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The negative comments surprise me. Ms. Reiley was placed in a bad situation. Her dining companion ordered the beef; I doubt (s)he would have done so if (s)he had known. The snobs are customers offended by the waiter giving prices with descriptions.
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by Adam
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05/16/07 05:20 PM
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What kind of "friend" orders an entree that is obviously the most expensive thing on the menu (published or otherwise)? An impolite one. Didn't said friend's parents ever teach him/her how to order appropriately as a guest?
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by Mark
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05/16/07 05:18 PM
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There is no excuse for a customer to be shocked when the bill comes; the price would have happily been provided if she had asked. Also, I hope this chef had the brains not to drown the beef in a rich French sauce(filet w/mushroom bordelaise anyone?)
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by Mark
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05/16/07 05:03 PM
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Wow, even the most incompetent food critic should know that Kobe/Wagyu goes for at least 25 an ounce if properly purchased and prepared. The stuff is milk-fed and massaged with Sake for chrissake. May I please have the job at sptimes?
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by DR. RICH
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05/16/07 04:59 PM
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Well next time take home a small piece.
I think you got taken. Just like the grouper suckers. Have that piece DNA tested, You might be eating Florida cattle.
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