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Column

Are we sure we don't need no-fault?

By HOWARD TROXLER
Published May 17, 2007


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Let's say you and I are driving down the street when some yo-yo runs a stop sign and hits us. Nothing bad, but we have to get X-rays and a few stitches at the hospital.

"Even this is gonna cost a fortune, " you say. "Do I have to sue the guy who hit us to get the hospital bill paid?"

Nope. Your own auto insurance pays for it, up to $10, 000, under coverage called "Personal Injury Protection." We all have it. It's required.

Same deal if you or I turn out to be the dummy who hits and hurts somebody else. They have it for themselves.

So it doesn't matter who hits whom. It's called "no-fault" insurance. We've had it in Florida since the 1970s.

But it's changing. The "no-fault" law will expire on Oct. 1.

For most of us, this won't matter too much. We'll have other kinds of coverage.

But for some, and therefore for society at large, it matters a lot. Better pay attention and check your coverage.

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According to critics - led by State Farm - there are too many problems with no-fault. (Not all insurers agree, but State Farm is the big kahuna.)

First, no-fault doesn't get rid of lawsuits. People sue each other anyway. Sometimes that first $10, 000 is just "seed money" to start building the case for a bigger claim.

Second, everybody plays pretty loose with the Insurance Company's Money. With a $10, 000 limit, the typical claim is close to ... uh, $10, 000.

"Fraud" is an ugly word. Let's just say the system lacks incentives or many rules for limiting costs.

You might ask: Why throw out the baby with the bath? Why not crack down on lawsuits and costs? But it is easier said than done - the Legislature can't agree on how.

State Farm is ready to go. The company has already filed a 16 percent rate cut with regulators, and is renewing policies without the old coverage.

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If you have other coverage in your car policy, maybe you don't care. State Farm says 83 percent of its customers do.

There's also other kinds of coverage, Medicare, Medicaid, workers' comp, and so forth.

But some people don't have any of that. This worries the main supporter of keeping no-fault, the Florida Hospital Association.

The hospitals point out that 20 percent of Floridians under 65 have no health insurance. They claim this could cost them up to $350-million a year to treat accident victims. The insurance guys say that's way pessimistic.

So the question is whether our lawmakers, who are coming back for a special session on property taxes in June, should revisit the no-fault question. Some folks want Gov. Charlie Crist to make 'em.

I figure they oughta try again and make an affirmative decision, instead of backing into one. Maybe there's still time to put good changes in place. If not, maybe they could come up with a transition plan, a warning, a requirement for other coverage - something other than just flipping the switch on Oct. 1.

Otherwise, some Floridians are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise.

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[Last modified May 17, 2007, 01:20:54]


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by diana 09/03/07 11:28 PM
It shouldn't be kept a SECRET from the public that pip doesn't pay for pedestrian accident if you are not in a car and you are out of state. NOONE is aware of this - including ins companies
by diana 09/03/07 11:25 PM
Yes It is true Medicare won't pay bills related to auto accidents. Call them and ask if you aren't aware.
by Diana 09/03/07 11:17 PM
Pip won't pay due to wasn't in car when hit by car out of state. Medicare paid for awhile, now, won't pay any claims even those not related to accident.
by DEBORAH 08/22/07 09:57 AM
I really do not think is a good idea it is only going to cause more issues for the hospitals.
by Nancy 07/23/07 02:46 PM
Are you all kidding? If there is no PIP and you are in an acccident you are covered only by the benefits available under your medical insurance, if you have any. Example: BCBS allows 21 treatments for physical therapy. DUH? We all need PIP!
by Robert 05/24/07 11:25 AM
I just sent a PIP comment before I read the comments below. I have been out of town for a week and am catching up. Now I have a question regarding one of the printed comments. Is it true that medicare does not cover auto accient injuries? News to me.
by Robert 05/24/07 11:08 AM
PIP is really just a tax on those with medical coverage. There are far more medically uninsured persons comimg into hospitals for injuries and illnesses than those benefiting from PIP. What we really need is a form of medical coverage for all.
by chris 05/18/07 06:51 PM
as a physician, i am concerned about the 25% of the patients i see who DO NOT have healthcare insurance. many people cannot afford premiums for healthcare or their job doesnt offer coverage. bottom line - doctors need fee schedules & keep pip.
by jim 05/18/07 02:34 PM
Those that don't have any kind of health insurance should BUY it. Evidently, lots of them can afford a car.
by Diana 05/18/07 09:43 AM
Isn't it considered "FRAUD" to turn in claims to Medicare or Health Ins Co, for auto related injuries? Medicare states they DO NOT pay for AUTO injuries, AUTO INS co should pay, not your medical ins co. AUTO ins needs CHANGES. PIP DOESN'T WORK!!
by Eric 05/17/07 09:59 PM
State Farm is clearly just trying to maximize profits at the expense of Floridian consumers. Just do a google search on State Farm and Bad Faith and you will get the picture of what the Snake Farm is really all about, which is collecting your checks
by Nelson 05/17/07 07:07 PM
If PIP is mandatory at all, it should be only for those who do not have medical insurance. Why should I have to pay extra on my insurance to fund the "1800-ASK-GARY's and ChiroMeds? I say let PIP expire!!
by Bob 05/17/07 05:57 PM
Who says No-fault is going away. With State Farm you will still be able to purchase it after Oct 1st. But no, we the law abiding public must be told what coverage to have. How about bigger fines for drivers that don't have insurance at all????
by Jane 05/17/07 05:39 PM
I think we should all be required to have insurance on our cars [PIP AND liability], but think those with health insurance should be able to go without PIP.
by JT 05/17/07 01:59 PM
let those that need it pay for it!
by JT 05/17/07 01:58 PM
you should be able to opt out of PIP completely, just as you can "my company pays because you don't have insurance" uninsured motorists coverage. It is time we confiscate vehicles that are uninsured, sell them and build a trust fund.
by Ken 05/17/07 12:24 PM
Is the "No fault area of insurance" a euphemism for clinics specializing in maxing out PIP as quickly as possible? I prefer the term "PIP clinic". I think we would all be better off if they found a job that actually contributed something economic.
by Fraud 05/17/07 12:23 PM
Boo Hoo..... PIP is not working, the only people that it does work for are the people that are staging accidents and the atty's that rep them. Get rid of PIP. Let the attys work for there lunch now.
by Margaret 05/17/07 11:11 AM
As an adjuster, the issue is not eliminating no-fault, the issue is putting controls in place that eliminate fraud, lower the overall cost of treatment and determine if the person is really injured. Removing no-falut coverage is not the answer.
by diana 05/17/07 10:01 AM
Most Floridians don't know that PIP won't pay for a pedestrian accident out of state. In most instances, Medicare won't pay AUTO related accidents. Message: Don't go ever go out of State.
by Diana 05/17/07 09:54 AM
Fl PIP & medicare covered PEDESTRIAN hit by car out of state CAN'T GET MEDICAL HELP upon return home. PIP WON'T pay, MEDICARE WON'T PAY AUTO accident claims. Dr's won't see Pt without Atty. Atty's won't see Pt due to accident hap out of state.PIP?*!!
by Warren 05/17/07 09:53 AM
What, PIP has been somewhat successful? Sounds like a call to action for the Legistlature to screw it up!
by Kay 05/17/07 09:40 AM
A good friend was a hit and run victim. She was injured and found the other driver who had no insurance nor license nor was her car registered. My friend only has Major medical insurance. No fault saved her! Please keep it alive!
by JOHN WHEELER 05/17/07 09:34 AM
Well written story. Auto insurance is a complicated issue and any change will upset the apple cart for some folks. Lets hope the fix helps consumers without hurting the healthcare system. I'm and insurance agent by the way.
by Grumpy 05/17/07 08:52 AM
What we really need in Florida AGAIN is vehicle inspections!!! There are too many oil burners polluting the air and too many junkers that deserve the last rights! We also should be able to report people that throw out their garbage on our roadways.
by kathie 05/17/07 08:27 AM
what about of the people who are going to loose their jobs that work in the No Fault area of insurance. has anyone bothered to think ab out them and what this will cost??
by Pete 05/17/07 08:04 AM
The Legislature will "fix" this problem too. Giving the corporations what they want and forgetting about "the people." Oh right, Corporations ARE people in this country (they have constitutional rights), go figure...
by Ken 05/17/07 07:33 AM
This was just a Christmas in the spring for trial lawyers. Just wait - we consumers will have to pay for them too - and that will be used by the insurors to gouge us yet again.
by brian 05/17/07 04:12 AM
yeah,lets give the @#$%&*%$ insurance companies everything they want.They kept their promise to stay in the state and lower rates if we beefed up building codes,i'm sure they will do the right thing this time!
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