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Fire chiefs brace for property tax cuts

Tax relief could affect service areas and response times in the county and the state.

By ANNE LINDBERG
Published May 27, 2007


Seminole firefighter-EMT Tyanne Hutchinson responds to a call. If the state House cuts taxes 25 percent, "that's ugly. It's over a quarter of my budget," Seminole Chief Dan Graves said.
[Times photo: John Pendygraft]
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[Times photo: John Pednygraft]
Firefighter Paramedics Leon Hammond (right) and Derek Raymer (left) help Karon Lantz into an ambulance after a motorcycle accident in Seminole.

A severe cutback in property taxes would devastate fire and emergency service across the county, Pinellas fire chiefs say.

Though officials think that much of the rhetoric amounts to scare tactics, they are aware of the potential effect of property tax cuts on services funded solely by ad valorem taxes.

"I think they're having knee-jerk reactions," said state Rep. Janet Long, D-Seminole.

"I think that this is a question of values and that this is a question of priorities and that the cities and the county are going to use that to whip up debate."

Although Long promised that public safety and education issues would be funded first, she conceded at a forum in St. Petersburg on Wednesday that you don't cut billions from a budget without losing services or something else.

It's difficult to have any debate or quantify the impact because there are several plans on the table, but the picture is not pretty, Pinellas Park fire Chief Doug Lewis said.

"We're large enough, I think, (to) weather the storm, but for smaller departments ... it could be devastating," Lewis said. "It's not a pleasant subject to talk about."

The potential problem lies in the way Pinellas fire and emergency service are delivered.

Cities pay for their own fire departments that serve their residents. The money comes out of the general fund budget, which is built from property taxes and other sources, like franchise fees. If property taxes are cut, the city can use other money for fire service.

But in some instances unincorporated areas contract with cities to provide fire service. That money can only come from property taxes, as dictated by a state law passed in 1973. If property taxes are slashed, there is nowhere else to get the money and the fire budget will decrease.

Pinellas Park serves some pockets of unincorporated Pinellas and part of the unincorporated High Point area. The county money for those areas accounts for about 20 percent of the department's $10.5-million budget, and a decrease would hurt, Lewis said.

Lewis said he's expecting to lose firefighters, but the impact remains to be seen.

If the worst-case scenario happened and Pinellas Park had to close its High Point station, the only one in the unincorporated area, the city has four other stations to take up the slack. Service would be stretched, but the effect would not be devastating.

Other departments, like Seminole, are in a much worse position. Three of the Seminole department's four stations are in the unincorporated area. And the county money accounts for about 75.3 percent of the Seminole department's $9.7-million fire and EMS budget.

If the property tax reduction is small, the department could survive, said Seminole Chief Dan Graves. Some positions would be lost, but "we would just try to live with that and move on."

If the state House of Representatives has its way and whacks 25 percent off taxes, Graves said, "that's ugly. That equates to 24 fire/medic positions. It's just incredible. It's over a quarter of my budget."

In the end, Graves said, that would mean closing two county stations and putting a heavier burden on the others that remain open. In 2006, Seminole answered 10, 625 requests for emergency service.

That could mean Seminole firefighters would run calls into the county without any units from the unincorporated area there to reciprocate. Graves said he cannot see spending city money that way.

Cities like Seminole might decide not to run into the county, he said. Graves said he would hate to see that happen, but if the political powers decided not to spend city money that way, then "we, as soldiers, will go out and soldier as they tell us to."

At the very least, response times would be slower because there would be fewer emergency teams to answer calls.

Lt. Rick Feinberg, spokesman for the St. Petersburg Fire Department, said his department, like all others, would be affected. The department has two stations in the county and all EMS funding comes from property taxes that are then distributed by the county. The question is how big the hit.

County units might not be the only ones to disappear. The Lealman, Palm Harbor and East Lake Fire Rescue departments are independent districts funded by property taxes. If taxes go down, so does their funding.

"I can't give you hard numbers because I don't entirely understand the percentage plan yet," Palm Harbor fire Chief James Angle said.

Angle said station closings would affect other counties, too, and that would hurt the state's emergency response system.

Most recently, the state used the system to fight fires in Lake City. Within six hours, the area had 37 units with 148 firefighters. If just one station is closed in each county, he said, it would hurt the ability to provide relief after hurricanes and during forest fires.

Angle said it's too early to panic. He and his fire commission have spoken frequently with members of the county's legislative delegation to explain the nature of special districts and of fire/EMS funding.

"They do seem to understand the situation with special districts," Angle said. "I really believe some of our local legislators are listening."

[Last modified May 26, 2007, 22:22:03]


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by joe 06/08/07 02:24 AM
Move?I'm from Ma.the taxes are even higher up there.It's funny that the only people that are worried about police and fire cuts and not worried about the taxes are the middle class and higher.Less taxes=less people that need to sell drugs and steal.
by Bob 06/06/07 10:18 AM
Well Mr Graves I do not know you and i had no reason to dislike you i was soley commenting on the city council i hope you get the needed funds as i grew up in firefighting homei understand the need for the funds you so need and stay safe
by John 06/06/07 02:21 AM
Not only should many of Florida's emergency services merge, many local govts should too. Great editorial on today's Sun-Sentinal>google Stephen Goldstein. It's shocking how many little cities independent municipalities replicating the same services.
by BOB 05/29/07 12:33 AM
The son of former Seminole assistant firechief and civil emergency communication director Dwaine Booth I hate to see the fire deptartment suffer from lact of management of funds they so much need and deserve seminole city council should be removed
by bob 05/29/07 12:29 AM
They chose another chief over Dwaine Booth and they regret it to this day seminole city council then asked him back after that chief messed up to bad my father turned em down
by Jon-Jon 05/28/07 05:36 PM
That's great Clearwater, lay-off a $40,000 fireman and hire a $70,000 jerk-off to find cafe's to relocate to Scientology ghost town on Cleveland
by Bill 05/28/07 05:30 PM
As a retired Boston fireman I only hope that these politicans who want to cut fire and police require there services when there not there to respond...CUT THOSE HUGE FAT PROJECTS, 11 MILLION BOAT SLIPS, 9 MIL. STREETSCAPE...and oh, that $70,000 job
by Ron 05/28/07 12:47 PM
You non-profits need to stop sucking at the teet of us taxpayers. Fire Chiefs need to give up turf. No I do not work for the County nor am I related to anyone who does. Public Safety services need to go Countywide or die.
by Scott 05/28/07 12:17 PM
If the taxes are so bad in Florida, why don't you guys move back up north? Really, this would help the problem you started to begin with.....And if you don't thing services would be cut under Rubio's plan, then there's no hope anyways.
by Fred 05/28/07 08:46 AM
Cut non-essential areas (parks/recreation/etc) not police and fire services. Providing police & fire should be govt's first priority. Also, merging under the county is stupid. Citizens lose local control and the police suddenly aren't accountable.
by Rowena 05/27/07 09:23 PM
These are not all scare stories. Many agencies and non-profits who provide valuable county services at a fraction of the cost will be affected. I don't mind paying property taxes to ensure services are not cut. I do object to insurance costs!
by John 05/27/07 02:12 PM
I just posted articles and confidential documents by the Florida Association of Counties on SCARE TACTICS & HOW TO SCARE THE PUBLIC ON THE IMPENDING PROPERTY TAX REFORM on the St Petersburg Times forum "It's Your Times". You can find link at homesite
by John 05/27/07 02:01 PM
Local budgets have balloned 100% in only a few years. Don't tell me they are not spending like drunken sailors. Finding how to cut is not that hard. Whatever has increased the most these years will most likely need to be cut the most.
by Scott 05/27/07 01:46 PM
If taxes are cut, the county will not be able to afford the fire and police services either. The county also operates off of property taxes.
by Todd 05/27/07 12:50 PM
I would rather not see my police, fire and EMS squads cut. These are vital functions. If they can exempt schools and others from the tax cuts why not exempt all police, fire and EMS squads? Let them cut elswhere instead.
by Lou 05/27/07 12:45 PM
Gov. Crist, legislators and others claim not one public safety person will be cut. Yeah right. "It's only scare tactics"? If people want to substantial cuts, not just belt tightening, then how do you do it without CUTTING services?
by bob 05/27/07 12:29 PM
It only scares the ignorant, like that chief in seminole. I bet he votes for the republicans in the state house that are serving up this stuff. Fools one, fools all, less me and those that possess thinking ability. Don't vote GOP = less BS.
by Les 05/27/07 12:22 PM
Ron I couldn't disagree with you more. In Sarasota County alone the Fire Department has experienced budget cuts for the last 5 years. Only when the firefighters brought it to the attention of the commissioners has the county started to add manpower.
by Wow 05/27/07 11:22 AM
Yeah because it's that easy to merge all these Police and Fire agencies into one...
by DR 05/27/07 09:54 AM
It is not a scare tactic, it is logical. If you cut taxes, you cut serivces. I thought the real crisis in this state was high insurance rates, yet the leg. has done nothing to cut my insurance rates.
by C 05/27/07 09:50 AM
Ron, are you related to Jim Coats? Your solution always starts out sounding great to the citizens. Ask South Pasadena folks how "cheap" it was way back then to "merge" with the SO. Ain't so cheap now...
by George 05/27/07 09:28 AM
Everyone hihg up in fire service knows that the only true savings are in a countywide merger but the chiefs are giving up their positions. They would rather respond with a fire truck/ rescue unit and a Sunstar unit to every call then to lose turf.
by Ron 05/27/07 07:38 AM
More Chicken Little Stuff. Brace yourself people for all these scare stories. Fact is that if all Police and Fire merge under one roof all over the county they will survive. Maybe then we can live within our means. Stop crying, Reorganize to survive.
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