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Politics

Property tax talks stay a secret

By ALEX LEARY
Published June 4, 2007


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TALLAHASSEE - When property tax negotiations broke down more than a month ago, top lawmakers boldly predicted the kinks would be worked out before the special session even began.

All legislators would have to do, House Speaker Marco Rubio said, is show up to approve the plan June 12.

But with a week to go, few details have been released to confirm such optimism. The discussions have been almost exclusively private, and among only a handful of people.

Rubio and Senate President Ken Pruitt broke the silence Friday by releasing the outlines of an agreement to roll back local tax bases and cap future growth. They also called for super-sized homestead exemptions.

Undercutting the upbeat announcement, however, was the lack of specifics.

Property owners are just as unsure of what savings to expect, and cities and counties are still in the dark about budget cuts.

"It's a huge problem for us," Pinellas County Commissioner Susan Latvala said. "We're just in a very awkward position by not knowing what the cut is going to be."

Hernando County Commissioner Diane Rowden called the lack of information "frightening" and questioned the secrecy surrounding talks: "Why is this out of the sunshine? This is the people's business. Why can't people hear what's going on?"

Unlike city and county officials, two state lawmakers can discuss plans in private.

Rubio, R-Miami, and others contend the process is as open as it can be. The announcement Friday was intended to provide an update on those talks.

Still, none of conversations or data that led to Friday's announcement have been made public.

When talks fell apart in the regular session, Rubio and Pruitt, R-Port St. Lucie, tapped Rep. Dean Cannon, R-Orlando, and Sen. Daniel Webster, R-Winter Garden, to hash out a compromise.

The Republican lawmakers, respected by their Democratic counterparts, have held numerous discussions over the past month, all of them private.

Homestead exemption proposals were discussed during a three-hour public meeting on May 21 -- the only open hearing since the public talks collapsed last month -- and another is scheduled today from 1 to 6 p.m.

But the May 21 meeting amounted to a presentation of the pros and cons of the three tax exemption plans.

Nonetheless, Rubio as recently as last week insisted the process was open. "It will be very public, believe me," he said after addressing a group of people in Spring Hill.

Part of the issue, he added, is that legislators have yet to decide how much to cut. "We don't know what those numbers are yet."

Legislative staff members have crunched numbers on the three options, which provide a homestead exemption based on a percentage of home value.

Public record requests for the numbers by the St. Petersburg Times have been refused on the basis that there is no pending legislation for the tax proposals.

Numbers for the property tax proposal announced Friday are not available because they do not exist.

Rep. Dan Gelber, the Democratic leader in the House, said the lack of firm information from Republicans is troubling.

"I don't even have a plan to look at at this point," he said. "My colleagues are throwing out percentages without telling people what the associated costs are.

"You've got to tell the people what the impact is -- otherwise you're playing with Monopoly money."

Staff writers Steve Bousquet and Asjylyn Loder contributed to this report.

[Last modified June 4, 2007, 01:58:18]


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by John 06/22/07 02:36 AM
What about the people losing their homes due to high property taxes?
by someone care 06/06/07 01:10 PM
When you look at life at self what going on. The people vote the local government in office to help the people and look what they doing. The home/prices/taxes went up.but what about when taxes to CUT what about people JOB being CUT?
by No 06/06/07 08:15 AM
The fact is that the milleage has not increased, but has gone down. Where is all of the money that the county made when the home prices/taxes went up? If you pay less taxes on a $20k car and more for a $100K car. Same for your $400K hm-live with it
by John 06/05/07 10:14 PM
Reality, in 2000-2001 we had police, fire, parks road pavers, ect.. What has changed except that local government has gouged the taxpayers? Local gov't will use every penny you give it! It's time to CUT, CUT, CUT, because the drunken party is over.
by John 06/05/07 10:10 PM
Reality, on a different subject: if my house burns down, you can bet I will make my property insurer pay through the roof. If someone trys to mug me, you can trust I will use my Smith & Wesson and gun permit to defend myself. Let them try, lol.
by Andy 06/05/07 09:20 AM
Richard, if you bought "your" house for 200K save our homes has not increased your taxes by more than 3%/yr. Your not paying 350K taxes, but if the proposed changes go through you will. The tax cuts are for wealthy/commercial, middle class will pay!!
by Reality 06/05/07 12:37 AM
John, when your house is on fire, don't whine we won't be here to hear you. When you're mugged, don't whine - call your got buddy Rubio. Pothole? Get the gov to fix it. Need a park? Use your yard. Need a road? Pave it yourself.
by Don 06/04/07 11:20 PM
AND, if they will not tell what is being talked about, you can bet your LIFE they are all commiting illegal acts
by Don 06/04/07 11:17 PM
Angela I AGREE, they are such BS artists and if they do one tenth as much as they did on insurance, you still will not save on property tax any more than we did for homeowners insurance. How can they pat themselves on the back when nothing was done?
by JT 06/04/07 07:17 PM
How about this for a solution. All property receives Property tax Cap (PTC) tied to CPI. Property being transferred is not revalued for tax purposes as it retains the PTC. Only property having use change is revalued. No highest & best use valuations.
by Rayisanidiot 06/04/07 07:05 PM
Wow Ray. Let me guess, you bought your house in 1940, and pay about $122/year in taxes. Sure to you its somebody elses problem. I agree with David- what do we get for our $ now? Trees in the roads, Ultimately the voters have to decide, vote wisely
by GrimReaper 06/04/07 06:37 PM
by Florida Resident of SOH I havc been in Pinellas since 1972. CAP all taxes not remove caps THEN they can't spend the money. I pay 85% of what the new homes are paying because this is a older place and mine will go up 3% per year they may go down.
by Bill 06/04/07 05:54 PM
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1802
by John 06/04/07 03:53 PM
ray, there has been many major polls done on FL homeowners & voters. They are all demanding property tax cuts. Add in the statewide tax revolt, it's loud & clear the people have spoken.
by John 06/04/07 03:45 PM
Dave, the richest FL homeowners deserved the bigger tax cut because they are paying the most in property taxes. Again, this is not welfare. It's returning overtaxed money back to the payers. Everybody likely will get some savings.
by Carol 06/04/07 03:42 PM
Two different issues, Angela - the insurance problem involves a "for profit" industry, the tax problem involves reigning in government spending of our tax dollars. Insurance - if you don't want their product, don't buy it; taxes - we're stuck with.
by Angela 06/04/07 02:40 PM
Why don't they finish fixing the ins. problem? My rewewal is in July, it just went up another $500! So much for lowering it!
by Florida Resident of SOH 06/04/07 01:51 PM
GrimReaper, Jim doesn't care if doing away with SOH tax saves him money or not he just doesn't want to pay more taxes then anybody else. Leave if you are unhappy. I agree with David. Lets start an audit of the States mishandling of our money!
by David 06/04/07 01:45 PM
If we dont have a large cut in Tax and a rethink of the Insurance mess in Florida then its time to move on, their are other places, Countrys to live Florida is no longer fun in Florida
by Richard 06/04/07 01:31 PM
What I don't understand is, I bought my house for $200,000, not $350,000. I couldn't afford the taxes for $350k then nor now, why am I paying taxes on $350k????????
by Tammy 06/04/07 01:25 PM
....and 50% for all others - commercial, rental, second homes ... Anyone wanting to stay with SOH can continue to do so... How does that strike all of you?...I like it...It will cap ALL assessments going forward and cap govt spending...
by Tammy 06/04/07 01:24 PM
I am going to give everyone a new website for a peoples' iniative to reform taxes. It is on my othe computer - but it is basically called the 30-40-50 plan....What this means is that seniors pay on 30% of value - homesteaders pay on 40% of home valu
by Laura 06/04/07 01:17 PM
Big Headline...Closing schools due to decrease in student population. I think that tells it all...families cannot afford taxes,insurance in Pinellas/Fl. Where is our leader, oh yes, he is socializing elsewhere!
by Will 06/04/07 12:23 PM
Jess you are wrong. The population still increased in 2006, just not by 490,000 like 2005 and 2004. In 2006 there were more that left, and the net increase was about 325,000. It is expected to rise back to the usual 400,000 per year by 2009.
by alan 06/04/07 12:07 PM
the inevitable solution is a state income tax. it will be slow to come, but it is the only way out .
by Ray 06/04/07 11:48 AM
Who are these people who have spoke John? In Sarasota the voters have approved 5 tax increases in the last 10 years. The demand for lower taxes is coming from landlords, not homesteaded properties where local taxes have actually decreased.
by Bill 06/04/07 10:18 AM
I just love it here. I pay no property tax due to my disibilities and can live like a king off those who pay. This is truely the land of the free! I just love riding on the shirt tales of those who are paying the big bucks. Anyone 4 lobster?
by Bob 06/04/07 09:50 AM
The non homesteaded people need help also. They spend their money here and use the services less that 50%. Also the commercial properties must be included or no one will be able to afford to rent. More people moving out of FL .instead of in.
by GrimReaper 06/04/07 09:41 AM
Jim IF the SOH cap is ended you will see ZERO drop in your taxes. EVEN if it was devided so that thoes homes would somehow lower taxes it would be less than 10% . TAX is done by millage and yours will no go down so forget it.
by Paul 06/04/07 09:40 AM
You know who's name is missing from this article? Charlie Crist, you know, that governor guy who is not at his desk, is pandering to the jewish vote for his white house run, the guy not currently in Florida but the middle east. Recall.
by Steve 06/04/07 09:39 AM
Unless we change the tax structure to do away with Ken Wilkinson's SOH we will continue to see huge negative effects on the equity and vaulues of all homes in Florida. Are we doing home owners any favors by driving their values down by $100,000's?
by Jess 06/04/07 09:37 AM
More people left Florida than came in last year, the first drop in history so why do they need more tax dollars? They need to cut the property taxes by 50% or more but it won't happen.
by david 06/04/07 09:06 AM
another example of misdirection by govt, only focus on what to cut not on why we have to cut anything.taxes doubled over 4 yrs...where did the $ go? how about an audit of city and county books..has the quality of services from govt doubled over 4yrs?
by ray 06/04/07 09:04 AM
I didn't elect my state reps to deal with local issues - and property tax is local - if we don't pay for the growth - we'll cause a recession...it's the thinning of the herd - if you can't afford to live here - MOVE!
by Sue 06/04/07 08:57 AM
The plans I have heard do not address non-homestead property owners. If they don't get relief we will be paying more for gas, groceries etc. because those business owners will have to pass the cost of taxes and insurance to there customers, us.
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