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Politics

Cities brace for tax cuts, blame

By AARON SHAROCKMAN
Published June 11, 2007


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The question of how much your property taxes might drop will be answered starting this week, when state legislators meet in a special session in Tallahassee.

Florida League of Cities president and St. Petersburg City Council member Rene Flowers took time to talk to the Times about the possible ramifications of this tax cutting on local governments.

How bad are you fearing this week?

Not really feeling bad at all. There's nothing we can do.

There's not really much we know. It's kind of like buying a house. Everyone's at the table, ready to go, to get things done, but you don't know how much your bank is going to lend you.

All you can do is wait.

 

Is there anything left you can or will try to do?

We are still meeting. I was in Tallahassee (last week). Our lobbyists, they are all over the place.

 

The city of St. Petersburg makes up about 29 percent of a property tax bill. If I asked 100 property owners what they thought that percentage was, how many would come close?

They wouldn't know. Even when people come to our public hearing, they are wagging their fingers blaming us. We have the Property Appraiser's Office to explain the tax bill.

But they think the city of St. Pete is taking all their money and building dog parks and things like that.

 

So, how many do you think would come close?

Less than 3 percent.

 

Why are the cities the target? Why not the schools?

There has been this huge emphasis that our children aren't being educated to the rate they should. And it's true.

But after having a system faulty for so many years, the state is hurrying to catch up.

You can't throw money at the problem and think it's going to be solved. It's a social ill that needs more than money.

We need new schools. But if I can't build a stormwater system for your new school, you'll have a school but no toilets.

 

What's one thing Floridians are probably losing in the name of lower property taxes?

I know that Tax Watch group says that they won't care, but it's quality of life.

Maybe we're not closing the library down, but just reducing the hours. And maybe that computer won't be available to the child who needs it to do their homework or learn.

Our park system essentially provides an afterschool program for a lot of low-income kids. Those kids would be left to their own devices at home.

 

You're probably the one who's going to get blamed for that, you think?

We are the frontline people. They can't call the Senate and House back in session and yell at them. They'll be yelling at me for three minutes at City Hall.

They'll say that we should have known better. And I'll say we tried to tell you.

 

The governor, legislators, all kind of people in Tallahassee read the Times. You have one chance to make your best property tax pitch. Go for it.

Let's look for relief that will benefit all citizens in a fair and equitable way.

Let's look at a long-term solution that won't set us back so far that it will be difficult to recover.

And remember, when it comes to tax cuts, one size doesn't fit all.

[Last modified June 11, 2007, 07:40:36]


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by bob s 06/13/07 02:19 PM
It seems to me everyone is missing the point. The tax increases are necessary if Floridia continues to encourage population growth... particularly that of the illegal alien. Schools and city services need the money to build infrastructures.
by Dale 06/12/07 02:54 PM
I am tired of hearing local govertment crying wolf. In prior years all local govertments had a workable balanced budget. The solution is simple adopt the 2005 budget and limit spending increases to 3% yearly.
by Carol 06/11/07 09:06 PM
We are Canadians of retirement age who purchased our condo in 1998 in hopes of spending 6 mo in FL. In order to pay our taxes, insurance and increased maintenance,we must continue working. We cannot sell - there is a glut of waterfront condos.
by Hank 06/11/07 07:50 PM
In the area of property tax...it is unfair to tax single family houses leased to renters. These are dwelings that people live it.. Apartments and hotels, motels are businesses that rent to the transit travler. Where are the worker to live?
by Ron 06/11/07 03:31 PM
Perhaps IF the promised insurance rate reductions actually happened, then the citizens MIGHT be more sympathetic to the officials whining. Most of us have gotten rate increases, which will far exceed any token reduction, IF it ever comes.
by Fish 06/11/07 03:12 PM
Instead of 7 guys standing around leaning on shovels watching the one guy working in the hole they might have to cut it back to 6 shovel leaners. My heart goes out to them.
by Dick 06/11/07 02:42 PM
No body mentiones the 9% surplus in the state budget
by Marie 06/11/07 01:02 PM
If the excesses that affect our taxes are mainly due to abuses in the pensions/benefits to the police departments and firefighters, why doesn't the state mandate new laws for this? Why vote in favor of new laws that don't fix the problem?
by Larry 06/11/07 12:46 PM
Read the story to the left, Rene. Once you've run everyone out of the state via high taxes and exhorbitant insurance premiums, whose going to be left to enjoy that "quality of life"? Tax and spend, tax and spend,the democrats answer to everything.
by Larry 06/11/07 12:44 PM
Well, if that doesn't sound like a typical interview of a liberal democratic politician, nothing does. Instead of saying, "gee we've been so lucky for the past seven years being able to feed at will at the trough of the taxpayers, she rues the end.
by JT 06/11/07 11:30 AM
Amazing how politicians are working to resist cutting taxes. Typically they are good, decent, well meaning people. What about being in office makes them so determined to say yes to spending your money for other peoples benefit. KEY WORD: PRIVATIZE!!!
by Daniel 06/11/07 11:09 AM
It seems that more people are leaving the area so less servicies are needed. The property value growth also exeeded population growth. Why are the extra tax dollars needed anyway? Legalize gambling if you want extra revenue.
by justin 06/11/07 10:53 AM
I think they should do away with property tax. Increase sales tax would target everyone frome drug dealer to tourist. The state will make more money raising sales tax than keeping property tax.
by Patrick Henry 06/11/07 10:39 AM
Schools? Remember the Florida Lotto, it was supposed to fund schools in the 1990's. What happened?
by Christine 06/11/07 10:18 AM
So what happens to renters who are supporting someone elses tax cuts - we get nothing and we still have to pay all the same bills. If there were no renters where would all these apartment owners turn. When is it the renters turn???
by Dave 06/11/07 09:46 AM
I am a past resident of Pinellas County and may soon move back. The property taxes should be reduced and replaced with income taxes. Not that I expect that to happen.
by clarence 06/11/07 09:46 AM
It's about time the State gets serious about tax cuts. I think the cities may be crying wolf for a period of time but it will soon find a way to work itself out.
by Donna 06/11/07 09:11 AM
Rene: Get that info out there, about the city being only 29% of the tax bill. However, you are behind the times about schools. Wilcox wants to close down some schools not build more.
by Bob 06/11/07 09:08 AM
The first thing all cities and counties should do is look inward before they look outward for cuts in bugets.How our cities and counties spend our tax dollars for day to day operations I'm sure would be eye opening.
by John 06/11/07 09:02 AM
Cities and counties pigged out at the tax trough like there was no tomorrow when real estate soared in 2000-2005. Government officials then got addicted to all this excess money. Thanks to overdevelopment, we will all suffer the consequences.
by Eugene 06/11/07 08:44 AM
This is the worst article I have ever read. What was its purpose? It said NOTHING.
by Scott 06/11/07 08:28 AM
Statewide, lawmakers & administrators should 'dust off' their budget from 5 years ago and cut to that level. Then tax growth must be limited to one at or below the rate of income growth.
by Rod 06/11/07 07:53 AM
"Don't blame them, and don't blame me; blame the ones behind the tree." Cut out the gravy salaries, pensions, and other perks, stop gov't spending as if its latte was spiked with cognac, then learn to live on a budget. If not, throw the bums out!
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