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Special report: The homeless struggle

Panhandlers get unwanted attention

St. Petersburg looks at whether tighter limits are needed.

By MELANIE AVE
Published June 12, 2007


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ST. PETERSBURG - You can find them throughout the city, usually at busy intersections, with their hangdog expressions and pleas for money.

Panhandling is spiraling out of control, some residents believe, and the city needs to do something to rein it in.

"It's pervasive across our entire community, " said Brian Pumphrey, board member of the Maximo Moorings Civic Association, who believes crime is up in the south Pinellas County neighborhood partly because of panhandlers. "The City Council really needs to embrace the issue."

On Thursday, city leaders will once again take up the panhandling issue, for at least the third time in five years.

No action will be taken during the City Council's 1:30 p.m. committee meeting at City Hall, but members are hoping to get a better handle on how current panhandling restrictions are enforced by police and whether tighter limits are needed.

They'll also discuss how other cities across the nation, including Orlando, have restricted panhandlers to "blue box" sections of the sidewalk.

Pumphrey, who said panhandlers station themselves at 54th Avenue S and 34th Street, said he would like the council to prohibit panhandling Monday through Saturday.

The mere suggestion of tighter restrictions on panhandling has homeless supporters upset.

"To criminalize those who are the least fortunate is a crime in its own right, " said Eric Rubin, an advocate for the homeless. "I think they should outlaw panhandling when they stop corporate welfare in the city of St. Petersburg."

For now, panhandling is allowed in daytime hours throughout the city except outside sidewalk cafes, near automatic cash machines, on private property, at bus stops and on public transportation.

A few prohibited areas exist in downtown, including around the BayWalk retail and shopping area, primarily to keep beggars away from tourists.

Aggressive forms of panhandling are prohibited citywide. That is defined as repeated requests after someone says no, approaching a person in a threatening manner, blocking a person's path or touching them.

Council member Herb Polson said he believes further limitations are needed outside of downtown.

"From my perspective, we're getting an awful lot of calls and e-mails from folks expressing concerns, " he said. "I've been told that people try to avoid certain areas of downtown because of it."

At the Walgreen's on Central Avenue and 34th Street, "there are people who refuse to go there because you get panhandled twice on the way in, " said council member Jeff Danner.

City attorney John Wolfe said panhandling is a difficult issue to address since it is a First Amendment right.

In the 1970s, he said, St. Petersburg's complete ban on panhandling was struck down by the courts as being unconstitutional.

It also could be difficult for the council to come to agreement on the issue.

Council member Bill Foster said the only additional restrictions he would support would be to prevent the panhandling of the elderly and minors.

"I'm a stickler for the First Amendment, " he said.

The current restrictions were approved in 2002, at the same time the council banned panhandling at night.

In 2004, the council rejected proposed bans on median sales and solicitations, which was challenged by free speech advocates and the St. Petersburg Times, which hires contractors to sell newspapers from the medians.

Still, council member John Bryan said he wonders if there's more that can be done without infringing on the First Amendment.

"The message I want to send to people is, just please, don't give them any more money, then maybe they will stop, " he said.

"Panhandling is a way of life, but there's too much of it and it's overly aggressive."

Melanie Ave can be reached at 727 893-8813 or mave@sptimes.com.

[Last modified June 12, 2007, 07:26:18]


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by Darryl 06/14/07 01:41 PM
Hey Leah: That's the point. We all have problems. But sooner or later, these homeless need to 'come out' and ask for help NOT money. They need drug/alcohol/psychological help. You seen to think everyone is a hate monger. Know what you read here!
by Nancy D 06/14/07 12:05 PM
All I want to do is get a break from the office to have a quiet lunch.Three yards from my office and I am being asked for money or a cigarette.Sometimes it is real scary. One approached me and he had blood all over his face. Leave me ALONE!!!
by Leah 06/14/07 12:23 AM
Look into the tired or drunk eyes of the next person who stops you and see the same problems that you hide so well. Show compassion instead of drawing the line and you may find something more precious than the venting done on this page.
by Leah 06/14/07 12:22 AM
Look into the tired or drunk eyes of the next person who stops you and see the same problems that you hide so well. Show compassion instead of drawing the line and you may find something more precious than the venting done on this page.
by Nettie 06/13/07 12:58 PM
I'm also from Tarpon, and am embarrassed to have company come here via Huey Avenue. Check out this street, look around the bus stop and the local church on Wednesday/Thursday (feed day at a local church).Lunch time: why are they here and not working?
by Steph 06/13/07 12:53 PM
Up here in Tarpon we have the so-called 'planted' homeless. They are not going anywhere anytime soon. That includes to work!! Lazy lazy bunch of homeless up here. All able-bodied with access to a ride to the daily labor. Just won't go. Spoiled.
by Andy 06/13/07 07:23 AM
It sucks to be approached by a panhandler but it sucks 100x more to have no income and be forced to approach you. Our discomfort is the lesser of 2 evils until there are real alternatives for the homeless and for treating addictions.
by mikec 06/12/07 07:47 PM
These people are not unfortunate. They are too lazy or disfunctional to hold a job, and the vast majority are criminals. It just amazes me that so many are willing to assign some sort of nobility to these parasitic miscreants.
by Lew 06/12/07 07:23 PM
Where are all the comments that were made yesterday,About the "High Priced" shyster lawyer and his defending this scum?? boycot Flemings(sp?) Wasteing our tax dollars and court time!Headline news at it's best!!!
by Walt 06/12/07 05:52 PM
I agree. This is a nice area of the city to live in and the beggars cheapen the entire area. It is time to do something to remove them. When we have guests from other areas of town it is embarrassing to see them.
by Mike 06/12/07 04:57 PM
I sympathize, I really do, but I drew the line the other week when someone knocked on my door at 3:30 on a Monday morning asking for money. The guy said, "I saw that your light was on." Well...by all means, then, come hit me up for cash.
by Lorraine 06/12/07 04:56 PM
As someone who lives and works (thus walks) downtown, I can tell you the problem is out of control. I have been physically threatened on several occassions by panhandlers and 2 of my friends have been mugged. How about protecting the working citizen?
by Bill 06/12/07 04:54 PM
There are numerous methods to deal with panhandling, ie. bus ticekt programs, assisted work programs, or simple humanity (that means give then a buck)... Take care of greater issues, such as immigration now, and criminalize the disenfranchised later!
by mike 06/12/07 03:55 PM
I always love reading about bums. They always "ran into trouble with the law" or "fell on hard times." Uh no, you got arrested because you're a criminal, and you're begging for money because you're too lazy to work. They should be locked up.
by Mike 06/12/07 03:34 PM
Funny, people ragging someone just standing on the side of the road with a sign. You either give or ignore, simple. I bet you all lock your car doors too don't you? I pray your lives stay perfect & that no unforseen crisis alters your way of life
by Mark 06/12/07 03:31 PM
To Lisa. Right on! I admire those who can WORK 12 hr days in 95 degree weather, 6 days/week. I have met and befriended many people who are homeless through no fault of their own. They are the ones in need of our help. Panhandlers? 99% lazy bums.
by Mo 06/12/07 03:28 PM
Diane, get a grip. You must live in a bubble. Shot or kidnapped? What are you the new Paris Hilton or something? Please stay out of St. Pete your kind are wanted in the 1st place.
by Cherie 06/12/07 03:22 PM
Most of the beggars in downtown are drunk. Since when is public intoxication legal? Why aren't these people thrown in jail?
by Shaun 06/12/07 02:13 PM
Just because people make bad decisions in the youth doesn't give them the right to bother those who did. Our country as free soup kitchens so these people don't need food. Use your brain before you reach in your pocket because it affects everyone.
by amy 06/12/07 01:30 PM
The grim reality is most of these people on the street are there because of drugs and alochol.Give them food if you want to help not money to buy more drugs and alochol.
by Hope 06/12/07 01:28 PM
OK let's get something straight. There are homeless that are in a temporary (homeless)situation because: unforeseen illness/accident,unemployment, resulting in loss of savings. Most panhandlers are in a 'comfort zone' and DO NOT want to work! I know.
by tracy 06/12/07 01:09 PM
do to them what the jails do to the prisoners,give them a uniform and let them clean up the streets around town.give em' a couple bucks at the end of the day and send them on their way.if they have to work for a living,they'll get out of town fast.
by Dan 06/12/07 12:42 PM
If you have time to stand in 95 degree heat and beg for change, you have time to find a job. Why should I be forced repeatedly to contend with indiviuals who only want hand outs and not a hand up? If you give money to bums you are part of the problem
by Karen 06/12/07 12:39 PM
Hey Ray, do you think it's just a coincidence that the unhinged perma-homeless spew the same kind of lefty-loony, anti-Republican conspiratorial nutcase garbage as you? Does far left liberalism cause insanity or is it the other way around? Hmmm...
by Christine 06/12/07 12:34 PM
What a lot of people forget is that a lot of St. Petersburg's homeless population is people with severe mental illness. Not everyone is out to buy booze. Some of them just can't focus, can't get past their illness enough to work.
by Valerie 06/12/07 12:29 PM
I once saw a beggar in Tampa holding a sign that read "I need a beer and that's the truth." This is why nobody should give these people money. Most of those begging are just going to buy booze, not food. There are better ways to help homeless people.
by Christine 06/12/07 12:26 PM
If they can stand in 95 degrees to beg for money, they can hold a full time job - take some of the jobs they say Americans don't want and put the illegals out of work...
by Nee 06/12/07 12:24 PM
I have mixed feelings. On one hand, it's annoying; on the other hand, every society must have a plan to care for the poor. I agree about Walgreens on Central.
by Jeff 06/12/07 12:11 PM
I think they should be shipped down to Sarasota, I know how that city deal with them!
by Meghan 06/12/07 12:11 PM
I can't even go grab breakfast in the morning without being harrassed by 5-10 people between 4th ave N and central on 3rd St. It's a joke, next panhandler that won't back off is getting the pepper spray from me.
by JoeLunchbucket 06/12/07 11:55 AM
Panhandlers - an unfortunate truth! They make us uncomfortable - so down-in-the-heels, dirty&disheveled. We squirm knowing we're meant to help the less fortunate, but we often feel beleaguered ourselves with hurricanes, taxes & insurance.Our dilemma!
by TOM 06/12/07 11:53 AM
It is a form of business (money making operation) and should be treated as any other business--regulated and licensed. It might surprise some folks but not all these people are street people.
by Linda 06/12/07 11:42 AM
Panhandlers seen are the same people,year after year,different locations. Money is used for cig. & booze, they don't want to be off the streets. The advocates need to meet them one on one if they want to help them. Put the "regulars" in a blue zone.
by Richard 06/12/07 11:25 AM
Charge them with loitering after they have been there for a minimum amount of time.
by dave 06/12/07 11:14 AM
I'm tired of cleaning up the beer cans and food wrappers from people too lazy to get a job. Make it illegal for anyone to give to beggers on the public property, that way the do-gooders have an excuse to quit supporting them.
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