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Criticism grows; tax plan teeters
Concern over education funding may keep changes to homestead exemptions off ballots.
By ALEX LEARY
Published June 13, 2007
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Florida House of Representative Dean Cannon goes over a presentation of the proposed bill for reducing property taxes for homeowners at the Florida state capitol.
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[Times photo: Chris Zuppa]
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[Times photo: Chris Zuppa]
Bonita Springs Fire-Rescue members attended a Florida House of Representatives policy and budget meeting to voice their concern on the proposed property tax cuts.
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TALLAHASSEE - Floridians aren't likely to get to vote on new homestead exemptions until November 2008 - if they get to vote at all. With Democrats solidly opposed to the Republican property tax plan and even some in the GOP openly concerned, there were not enough supporters at the special session of the Legislature on Tuesday to pass the plan and send it before voters on Jan. 29, the day of the Florida presidential primary. Unless some lawmakers warm to the plan quickly, the measure probably would end up on the November 2008 general election ballot. House and Senate leaders were undeterred by skepticism in their ranks and are pushing for a final vote on the two-part tax package as early as Friday. There are two plans in play, a rollback of tax revenues along with a cap on local property tax bases, and then a new homestead exemption program designed to phase out Save Our Homes. Only the homestead exemption faces an uncertain future because it requires amending the state Constitution, and that requires a vote by Floridians. Putting the matter before voters on Jan. 29, a special election, would need to be approved by a three-fourths majority in both chambers. The problem is in the Senate, where Democrats have criticized the way the plan would cut property taxes to education by $7.1-billion over five years. Three-fourths of the Senate is 30 votes, but the GOP only has 25. Getting it on the November ballot is easier, but not by much. That only takes 24. Senate Minority Leader Steve Geller said Republican leaders shouldn't count on getting any votes from his party. Geller said he had spoken with 11 of 12 fellow Democrats and they uniformly oppose the plan due to the cuts in education. At least four GOP senators expressed deep reservations. "If you vote for it, then they're going to nail you because you voted against education, " said Sen. Mike Bennett, R-Naples. "If you don't vote for it, you didn't care about property tax relief." Gov. Charlie Crist said he was not troubled by reports that moderate Republicans have strong misgivings. Lawmakers are keenly aware that support for public education usually far outpolls most other government services. "I'm not twisting arms, " Crist said. "If they want to support it, they should. ... And I think when they go home, if they haven't let tax cuts happen, there'll be a price to pay." The hard math came on a whirlwind day. Colorful back and forth exchanges between party leaders in the House gave way to a late afternoon hearing in which police officers, firefighters and county commissioners railed against the plan as too damaging to government services. Tom Siegfried, a deputy fire marshal in Estero, turned around to a sea of people in uniform. "They are concerned about the people they serve and being able to do it properly, " he said. With a possible breakdown brewing, House Speaker Marco Rubio went on the offensive, calling a news conference that accused Democrats of hypocrisy. An earlier House Democratic plan also included cuts to schools. Flanked by top Republicans to signal unity, Rubio laid down a challenge: "If you think that there's no property tax problem in Florida, then vote no. If you think we have a property tax problem, you need to vote for this plan." Rubio characterized the $1.5-billion first-year impact to schools as a property tax reduction, not a cut to education funding. He also sought to counter arguments that voters will not support the plan because they lose their 3 percent Save Our Homes cap. The new plan, he stressed, would provide a large homestead exemption that wouldn't be tied to how long you own your home, plus a cap on local tax collection. Rubio's strong words for Democrats spawned a hastily called news conference of the Democratic Caucus. "Unfortunately the Florida Legislature is rapidly devolving into a high school cafeteria, " Minority Leader Dan Gelber said. He defended his party's earlier plan that cut school budgets, saying it included proposals to replace the money. Republicans, he added, have not given the same assurance. House Democrats have not taken a formal position against the tax plan but most of them stood behind Gelber as he chided the Republicans. Gelber said he doubts the plan would get approval at the polls because homeowners will be reluctant to give up their Save Our Homes protection. It was not difficult to find Republicans who shared the concern. Rep. Rich Glorioso, R-Plant City, said he doubted his constituents would want to give up Save Our Homes. "I'm not sure I would want to give that up, either. It's scary." Rep. Kevin Ambler, R-Tampa, said he wants to see better details about education funding. "I have kids in the public school system, and we have to remain committed to providing a top quality education, " he said. "It's giving everybody some pause." Fast Facts: What's next: House and Senate committees will take up the property tax legislation today, allowing for public testimony and debate. At 6 p.m., the full House will convene for debate. The Senate plans debate Thursday. Final voting could happen by Friday.
[Last modified June 13, 2007, 00:32:29]
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by Tony
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06/18/07 10:54 PM
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You don't like the property taxes don't own property. Christ is a joke of a republican-personal responsibility?. Now police etc. are going to be cut because people can't budget when they buy a home.give more power to big govt to save couple $ ha.Dumb
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by Pete
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06/14/07 01:19 PM
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We live in a demoratic state, where the will of Majoirty must prevailed. lets get rid of bums in local government who want to spend the people in the name of saving euducation & firefighters.
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by Tom
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06/14/07 04:54 AM
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If so much real estate wasn't exempt from property taxes, I think the rates could come way down for everyone.
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by Ned
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06/14/07 03:08 AM
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It is no longer about taxes...it is about turnout on January 29 or Nov 2008. If they don't cut taxes more and now, re-elections are going to be very tough in Tampa in 2008. Y'all better take January 29, you'll be voted out in Nov 08
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by Bob
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06/13/07 11:45 PM
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Peter Nehr {R} Tarpon Springs was quoted saying he wants to cut funding to libraries.If Pete would use his a little more perhaps he would have a different opinion.
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by James
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06/13/07 11:11 PM
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What the hell do they mean that we can't vote on it? Of course we can! I think I see a petitioned referendum coming up. Maybe like Prop 13 in California. Seems to work there.
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by Ruth
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06/13/07 10:17 PM
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okay,I'm a teacher & my husband is a career Lt in the fire service for you who wants to know if fire rescue is on duty-NO, and for those of you who are okay with cutting ed. wakeup.We teach with to little now how come public srvce is always 1st cut?!
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by Dee
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06/13/07 09:02 PM
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You're right, Matt. Everyone wants the services of the police and fire fighters when they need them. Property tax reform shouldn't be at the expense of eliminating their jobs or affecting education. There has to be a better way.
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by Dennis
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06/13/07 09:02 PM
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I can not believe there have been progress on the tax issue that affects so many owners. What do we pay these idiots for?
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by Joe
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06/13/07 08:58 PM
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Anytime there is a disaster or accident who's always there to help? It's always the fire fighters! You can make your nasty comments, but you will miss them greatly when they're no longer there and need help.
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by DJ
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06/13/07 08:52 PM
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It appears that Gov. Crist has opened a bucket of worms. Instead of having a real plan for lowering property tax, he has managed to anger everyone in the state, threaten our first responders jobs, and possibly cut education funds.
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by barb
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06/13/07 08:21 PM
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Think! plenty of boomers are going to change their minds about retiring to FLa. and the $$ they will be spending. Even recent retirees are looking to move out of the state. Cannot afford high taxes plus high ins. rates anymore. REDUCE TAXES & INS!!!
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by Matt
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06/13/07 08:05 PM
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The only fair tax relief is one that gives relief to everyone. We should lower taxes across the board for primary, investment and commercial. Our local goverments need to be more fiscally responsible.
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by john
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06/13/07 06:40 PM
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our taxes doubled in the last 4 yrs. where did all this money go?? maybe doctor bills etc for all the illegals???????????
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by John
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06/13/07 05:09 PM
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Let's do what California did, call it: "PROP 13 FLORIDA" -easy & simple, everyone pays just 1% of the market value of their homes. No portibility issue, no SOH unfairness
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by Sandy
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06/13/07 05:04 PM
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I noticed in the paper there were firefighters in uniform at the capitol, I sure hope they took vacation time and we are paying for them lobbying.
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by mike
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06/13/07 04:59 PM
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local government is full of it. they are spending tens of millions of dollars more this year than 3 years ago. they think this is fine. if they got their hands on all of our money they would budget it and spend it. bragging to us what a good job
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by john
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06/13/07 04:50 PM
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My mother,daughter and I are lifelong Democrats. Our taxes, fire ins. and flood ins. on our 3 homes have doubled in two years. If the politicians don't fix this the public will by constitutional amendment and by removing state leaders opposing this.
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by John
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06/13/07 04:32 PM
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If they go with the 2.5% sales tax plan, everybody could move, buy & sell their properties. There would be a huge boom in Florida. Paying for local services would be spread to more people too including drug dealers.
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by Rick
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06/13/07 04:26 PM
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Throw the bums out and lets start over!! If California can drastically reduce taxes with new laws, so can we.
It's our money...NOT THEIRS!!
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by Bill
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06/13/07 02:56 PM
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My SOH cap is better than this proposal as are many others. I hope this dies a swift death.
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by Donna
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06/13/07 02:55 PM
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10% was good enough God, it should be good enough for government. Tax everyone according to their income 10 percent, that should be fair to everyone of every income range.
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by Donna
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06/13/07 02:50 PM
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10% was good enough God, it should be good enough for government. Tax everyone according to their income 10 percent.
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by Jim
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06/13/07 02:42 PM
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Don't cut manpower, cut pay & benefits. You can keep most manpower & services.
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by John
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06/13/07 02:40 PM
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Any legislators including local government risk their political future if they hinder substantial property tax relief. I want to make it clear, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!! You will be targeted to be voted out of office.
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by Norman
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06/13/07 02:05 PM
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Raise the Save Our Homes Caop to 6 % and tie Homestead exemption to 10% of State equalized value with a $25,000 starting exemption. Everybody wins and taxes are reduced.
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by Joe
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06/13/07 01:10 PM
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When will our legislative body listen to the people? Changing the current homestead exemption, increase to 35 or 50,000.00 dollars will be uniform anything else is a smoke screen. Education should not enter into it, but that's politics.
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by John
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06/13/07 01:06 PM
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It time we get a tax break, the local goverment have be come to greedy, what are they doing with the people money it the same services are being provided, yet the want more money. Throwing more money will not fix education.
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by John
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06/13/07 01:03 PM
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I see the bonita springs fire rescue folks are out in force - as are other agencies. They're in uniform - are they on the clock? If so I can see some ways to cut the budget sitting right there in the front row.
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by Is
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06/13/07 12:57 PM
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John, I agree with you. If the sales tax is 2.5% higher, I can actually choose to buy something or not. The property tax is what I am stuck with. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE?
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by Manatee
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06/13/07 12:48 PM
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What happened to Rubio's plan to eliminate all property tax and offset them by increasing the sales tax. The sales tax makes it distrubuted to all the people including visitors to the state. As said before this should be a simple no brainer.
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by Gary
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06/13/07 12:47 PM
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Want to cut taxes and hold schools harmless? Under current proposal, pass the super homestead, get rid of the save our homes debacle, remove the millage cap on school districts, roll-back budgets on other local govts and set a cap on future spending.
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by Rick
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06/13/07 12:28 PM
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Lose the SOH cap. I'm tired of suzidizing my neighbor's kids education. Everyone should be taxed equally!
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by jean claude
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06/13/07 12:04 PM
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The voters/taxpayers have made it very clear. Cut taxes and insurance rates. Do the job you swore to do when you took office. If it's to difficult for you then get out! Stop crying and represent the peoples mandates. Just go away if you can't.
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by bencrazy
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06/13/07 12:02 PM
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Crist has a great plan. Double homestead, put shcool tax as sales tax, and cap taxes so people can buy a house if they want.
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