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Politics

Florida primary will not count, Dean warns

By ADAM C. SMITH
Published June 13, 2007


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Sure, Florida is America's biggest political swing state. But don't expect the national Democratic Party to back off punishing Sunshine State Democrats for scheduling an early presidential primary.

"Their primary essentially won't count, " Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean said of Florida. "Anybody who campaigns in Florida is ineligible for delegates."

His comments in New Hampshire were his first public response since Florida Democratic leaders decided Sunday to go ahead and set their presidential primary for Jan. 29, the day state lawmakers had chosen.

Because the DNC bars all but a handful of states from scheduling an election earlier than Feb. 5, Florida Democrats until Sunday had seriously considered making Jan. 29 a nonbinding vote and holding their own caucuses later.

Instead, there's a faceoff that has Democratic presidential campaigns uncertain about how to proceed. Some Democrats worry that if their candidates don't campaign hard early on Republicans would have a big leg up toward winning Florida's 27 electoral votes.

"This thing could be a total mess unless we find a way out of this, a compromise, " said Sen. Bill Nelson.

Compromise at this point looks unlikely, though.

The rules, unanimously passed in 2006 by nearly 450 Democratic party activists across the country - including Florida - are clear and leave little or no leeway for Dean to waive them: Any state that violates the schedule set by the DNC loses half its delegates to the national nominating convention and any candidate who campaigns in that state will forfeit all delegates from that state.

By moving to Jan. 29, Dean told a New Hampshire student, Florida Democrats "essentially converted their primary to a straw poll."

Translation: National leaders of the "count every vote" party are refusing to count the votes of Florida, where the term "disenfranchised voters" became a rallying cry in 2000.

The presidential campaigns have tried to stay on the sidelines, but to date only Dennis Kucinich and Hillary Rodham Clinton have been unambiguous in promising that they will campaign aggressively in Florida no matter what.

The DNC's rules committee on Aug. 25 will consider the Florida Democratic Party's plan to hold a Jan. 29 primary. What are the prospects the committee will approve that plan and waive any penalties against the state?

"None, " predicted former state Democratic chairwoman Terrie Brady, a DNC member from Jacksonville.

That means that starting on Aug. 26 any candidate campaigning or raising money in Florida will likely lose a shot at winning any of Florida's 208 delegates.

Ultimately, though, state Democrats hope the eventual Democratic nominee, who controls what happens at the convention, will make sure Florida's delegates count. The nominee can't afford to antagonize key activists in a swing state with 27 electoral votes.

"I'm a candidate that's just about to be nominated, and I'm not going to seat Florida at the Democratic National Convention with a full delegation?" Brady said.

Adam C. Smith can be reached at 727893-8241 or asmith@sptimes.com.

Fast Facts:

Primary schedule

The Democratic primary schedule is still evolving but here's the current, tentative schedule.

Jan. 14: Iowa caucuses

Jan. 19: Nevada caucuses

Jan. 22: New Hampshire primary.

Jan. 29: Florida primary, South Carolina primary.

Michigan: The party chairman, Mark Brewer, reiterated Tuesday that Michigan Democrats plan to move their presidential caucuses to an earlier date if Florida sticks with Jan. 29. The Michigan caucuses currently are scheduled for Feb. 9, and a decision on a new date would not be made until the fall, he said.

[Last modified June 13, 2007, 00:28:48]


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by Travis 03/11/08 11:16 AM
By what authority does the DNC trump the constitutional right of the peoples vote by not allowing the votes to count?
by Bill 03/09/08 07:30 PM
Best article I've seen on the cause of the mess in Florida is: http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/mar/06/talbot-dalemberte-florida-may-have-lost-chance-be-/
by Monica 03/07/08 01:20 PM
I changed from Rep. to Dem. just for this election.NOW my vote won't count. The best scams are LEGAL.I have a good paying job and yet I still have trouble making ends meet even after cutting out ALL the fat.I suppose I should move to another country.
by edna 03/06/08 05:30 PM
Shame on governor Crist for trying to interfer with the Democrats election. Trying to get Clinton in so she will be easier for McCain (McBush) to beat.
by Robin 03/06/08 03:57 PM
As a Republican who was planning to vote the Democratic ticket next Nov., I will not if the Democratic primary does not count for Florida. What a waste of time and energy by Dems. Makes me wonder whose side you are on.
by Lori 03/06/08 11:04 AM
I believe Florida's Primary should count, and give Hilary Clinton whats rightfully hers. Why spend more money to take another vote.
by KELLI 03/06/08 03:01 AM
DONT BLAME HOWARD DEAN HE DIDNT SET THE RULES HE JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE IN ENFORCING THEM. AND JUMPING PARTIES IS GIVING THE REPUBLICANS JUST WHAT THEY WANTED A SPLIT DEMOCRAT PARTY, WHAT BETTER WAY TO GET THIER GUY ELECTED IN 2008
by KELLI 03/06/08 02:41 AM
THE CONSTANT BICKERING BETWEEN THE PARTIES IS THE PROBLEM. WORKING TOGETHER AS A WHOLE TO GUARANTEE THE RIGHT TO VOTE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIORITY.THE POEPLE OF FL SHOULD REMEMBER THIS AT ELECTION TIME AND VOTE IN STATE LEADERS WHO CARE ABOUT RIGHTS
by James 03/03/08 07:03 PM
As a Democrat I now find the party Un-American by not allowing my vote to count. Those that enforce this must be held accountable. Time also to change to an Independent party since it is evident the Democratic party is damaged.
by Kurt 02/29/08 07:27 PM
I am a Korean Veteran and fought for this country and I will have to worry that my vote will not count.Shame on you who ever decided this.I think the people of Florida have the right to be counted.
by Maxi 02/22/08 03:16 PM
Every morning I put my flag out because I am proud to be an American. Since I found out that my vote won't count, I feel that my American right was taken away, and I no longer fly the American flag. When our FL votes count, the flag will fly again!
by Alex 02/20/08 04:54 PM
I demand that my vote be counted. The Rep Party knew Clinton would win this and they know they'll beat Obama. Who can I contact to join a suit? They're breaking MY Constitutional rights.
by Robertt 02/19/08 02:24 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous and I personally resent the fact that my efforts to vote will not count. How dare the Democratic Party count me out. Maybe it's time to consider a change.
by Michele 02/14/08 08:40 PM
So what will we have to do now, move to another state just to vote! Who can we contact about this to get it changed?
by Clifton 02/13/08 07:43 PM
How can the democratic people be represented by the Florida Republicans. The Republicans made us have our votes early. So now the Florida Democrats are getting penalized for this. If my vote does not count how can anybody else's vote count.
by Susan 02/11/08 07:13 PM
What is the point of living in the United States if my Constitutional Right of voting is taken away? Florida's vote should be counted unless you think it is right for politicians to buy votes or manipulate the Americans' voting rights.
by michelle 02/11/08 07:11 PM
How come you took away the rights of the democratic voters in Florida? I do not see why my constitutional right of voting was taken away because of an early presidential primary.
by Rochelle 02/08/08 05:22 PM
I blame the MI Democratic party for not following the rules, which eventually led to my disenfranchisement in MI. Now, Clinton is claiming victory. This is WRONG! Please let the Dem delegates be free to choose any candidate and not be Clinton bound
by Phaire 02/07/08 12:15 AM
If Hillary loses to Obama as a result of this, then the primary was unfair. *IF* Obama then loses to McCain in the Presidential bid and Hillary *would have* beaten McCain, the DNC will be the laughing stock of the republican party (once again).
by Mel 02/05/08 07:45 PM
I'm a newly registered Democrat voting in the Florida primary. I was extremely dissappointed that my vote did not count for choosing all the delegates Florida was allotted.I feel dis-enfranchised. Please reverse your decision. Runners were punished.
by Nadine 01/31/08 04:49 PM
I am a registered Democrat and I back Barack Obama. I expect the party to stick to its' original decision regarding Fla and Mich. If they do not, I will vote for the opposition party. Enough is enough.
by Charlie 01/30/08 05:02 PM
Is the DNC trying to get present Dems to change to Republican or Independent? I'm a life long democrat but if the DNC does not allow the delegates to be distributed to the candidates after Feb 29th primary. I will change my affiliation. Charlie
by Jim 01/30/08 08:32 AM
Florida, you voted and it counts to the people of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Come on states, take our country back from these committies and the federal government. DNC..Fire that looser Dean. Why did the Republican vote count????
by Martin 01/29/08 06:29 PM
If your voting for your least liked republican what does that do for you? vote for the best republican candidate RON PAUL dont be blind.
by Eric Moore 01/29/08 06:11 PM
This is make no sence. Who gave the NDC the right to tell Floridians or any other State, when they can have their primaries. Voting is a right that thosands of Americans have died for. This stupit dean person is showing about as much sence as Bush.
by Samantha 01/29/08 03:58 PM
I just became a new resident from California - what are the DEMS doing - As a new registered Dem -- Independent is looking even better! A rethink is needed here and I mean quick!
by robert 01/29/08 11:41 AM
I think dean is overstepping his bounds. The politicians are supposed to listen to the people not the other way. Its time to get rid of the old time politicians who were only interested in their party and not the will of the people.
by Kai 01/28/08 11:43 PM
It seems unfair that I do not get my vote in because I am a resident of Florida, doesnt that break the isential meaning of a country governed for the peopl By the People?
by James 01/28/08 11:06 PM
This is ridiculous!! Dems, how are you going to let the Reps outsmart you like this. You are looking about as smart as a box of rocks.
by Justin 01/28/08 03:00 PM
I think this a well calculated conspiracy. Obama would probably have won the state and much of their delegates over Hillary. But the Clintons and the DNC dont want that. Im part of the right wing conspercy by the way...lol.
by bob 01/27/08 04:31 PM
Who cares what that wacko Deans sayes. Both major partys are a joke anyway
by Edward 01/27/08 12:16 PM
I feel it is nconstituional that I am not allow to vote in the FL demacratic primary and make my vote count.
by Raine 01/26/08 10:26 PM
It's odd how this page mentions nothing about Gov. Crist's involvement in this.
by Carol 01/26/08 07:31 PM
Moved to Florida 10 years ago. Always have been a registered Democrat. Always will. There's something about FL though. It seems like backwater Republican cracker politics. Their way or the highway. I resent it. Makes us look like total fools.
by Dee 01/24/08 10:21 PM
what we can do as democrats though is switch parties and vote against the Republican we least like and then switch back for the Nov. electon and vote Democrat
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