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From $3,150 each to practically worthless
Six counties still owe $33-million on obsolete voting machines.
By STEVE BOUSQUET
Published July 12, 2007
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Bob Rottloff, (cq) a Operations Technician at the Election Services Center in Largo, replaces a precinct tag on one of the 3,400 AVC Edge voting machines at the center's warehouse. The machines were first used in March of 2003 and will be replaced next summer.
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[Times photo: James Borchuck]
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[Times photo: James Borchuck]
This is an optical scan voting machine made by Sequoia Voting Systems that is similar to a model that may be adopted by Pinellas County later next year.
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» Fast Facts
By the numbers
25,000 – Touch screen voting machines for sale in Florida
$1 – Amount per voting machine company offered to pay to buy machines back from state
$14-million – Approximate amount Pinellas County paid for its touch screens
$12-million – Amount Hillsborough paid for 3,100 touch screens
Touch screen money pit
Six Florida counties still owe money on their touch screen voting machines. A new state law renders them obsolete for precinct voting by July 1, 2008. Here's the amount each county owes.
• Miami-Dade: $15,465,000
• Broward: $8,310,000
• Palm Beach: $4,649,000
• Martin: $1,123,270
• Collier: $3,119,046
• Nassau: $310,000
Source: Florida Department of State
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TALLAHASSEE - For sale, incredibly cheap: 25,000 Florida touch screen voting machines, like new but rendered obsolete by a changed political climate.
The switch to paper ballots ordered by Gov. Charlie Crist and the Legislature means that most touch screens, only a few years old, must be junked and replaced by the fall of 2008 with optical scanners that read paper ballots marked by a voter's hand.
Secretary of State Kurt Browning, who's in charge of disposing of the touch screens, can't find a buyer.
That means counties such as Hillsborough, Pasco and Pinellas will lose tens of millions of dollars they invested in those machines.
"We are not going to get anywhere near what we paid for these units," Browning said.
For taxpayers, that's not the worst of it, however.
The decision to get rid of touch screens has happened so fast that many of those nearly-obsolete units aren't paid for yet.
Six counties - Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Martin, Collier and Nassau - still owe a combined $33-million on touch screens that they can use for precinct voting only twice more, in the presidential primary next Jan. 29 and municipal elections next spring.
After that, touch screens may be used only by blind and visually impaired voters in 2008 and 2010 to comply with federal disability laws.
Other counties paid cash for their touch screens, but those six used borrowed money after the state's decision to outlaw punch card ballots after the 2000 presidential recount meltdown.
Miami-Dade spent $24.5-million for its iVotronic machines in 2002, and Broward paid $17-million for its machines, which now may be sold for scrap or cannibalized for parts.
Miami-Dade still owes $15.5-million on more than 5,000 iVotronic units, made by Election Systems & Software, according to documents the county filed with the state.
Broward still owes $8.3-million on its machines, nearly half the $17-million purchase price in 2001.
"I think there are some voters who are going to be really upset about that," said Dr. Brenda Snipes, Broward's election supervisor. "But some voters would say that no price is too great to allow us to have a paper record."
The new state law mandating optical scan voting requires counties to dispose of most of their touch screen units, in exchange for state money to buy replacement optical scanners. Any proceeds from the sale of the old units will be given to counties that still owe money on them.
Hillsborough spent $12-million for 3,100 touch screens in 2001. Supervisor of Elections Buddy Johnson said he plans to return fewer than 400 to the state and keep the rest.
"Our position here is, given the transitional volatility of elections, we're going to hold onto what we have," Johnson said. "They still work fine."
Pinellas County paid $3,150 for each of its touch screens, for a total of about $14-million.
The units sit in a Largo warehouse, their final resting place still unknown.
"I don't know why we couldn't just keep them," Supervisor of Elections Deb Clark said. "We just made our last payment on them not too long ago."
Browning said the law is clear, that counties can keep only enough touch screens to serve blind and visually impaired voters. If they want state money for new equipment, Browning said, they must return most of the units.
One possible fate for the touch screens is to be cannibalized, like an old pickup truck, with the parts sold to recyclers.
Browning said he has had three serious inquiries from possible buyers of touch screen units.
BAE Systems, a major defense contractor, inquired about them last month. A Veterans Administration hospital in Miami asked about converting them into "learning kiosks" for VA patients.
But to add insult to injury, Sequoia Voting Systems offered to take its AVC Edge 1 units off the state's hands for $1 a unit.
Sequoia's customers in Florida include Pinellas and Hillsborough.
"The parts that could be salvaged are not worth the price of the labor required to open the units and remove them," Sequoia vice president Phil Foster told Browning. "We do not have any expectation of being able to resell these units to another jurisdiction within the U.S. or another country."
But a dollar a unit?
No way, Browning said.
"I think we would be better served even if we were to recycle those machines," Browning said. I think they're worth more than a dollar."
Steve Bousquet can be reached at bousquet@sptimes.com or 850 224-7263.
[Last modified July 12, 2007, 01:27:24]
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by bbucsux
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07/14/07 09:42 PM
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What a waste of money making this change, it is definitely offensive! The old machines haven't been proved to be inaccurate or faulty. Questioned by a few conspiracy theorists yes, proven faulty no. How about a machine counting paper ballots?Ion this
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by loretta
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07/14/07 07:27 AM
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seems to me that if you buy something and it doesn't work the way that it should, you'd be able to either return it or reject it and refuse to pay.
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by Tracie
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07/14/07 02:12 AM
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Hey, I got it! I will get a pencil and paper and vote and save MILLIONS for something more useful. Like maybe we wouldnt have property tax issues and homeless families living on the streets or in tents! Can I claim this as a loss on my taxes? LOL
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by Ron
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07/13/07 07:27 PM
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If the majority of Floriduh voters weren't so dense this wouldn't have happened
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by Jane
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07/13/07 06:49 AM
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Of course - these idots we have called Legislators are generally too busy lining their own pockets and celebrating "boot days" to actually think about the bills they vote on. The are part-time employes who get full-time benefits. Kick 'em out!
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by Brick
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07/13/07 06:03 AM
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Supervisor of Elections vilified for questioning state govt. mandating and the companies selling specific (no paper trail) machines - need an article highlighting the eventual confirmation of the decisions made by Ion Sancho.
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by An angry Florida reader
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07/13/07 12:44 AM
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Dang right, recycle them, stupids!
If you can't save the money y'all just blew on them, at least recycle the dang materials. Government REALLY seems to think our earth's natural resources are limitless. Really!! Stupid politicians.
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by Jennifer
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07/12/07 10:58 PM
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Gee, I wonder why are property taxes are so high?
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by Charlie B
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07/12/07 10:37 PM
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Blame this on pandering politicians. Throwing money at it, demanding high-tech and then reversing course and wanting paper. No one responsible for the stupid decision around long enough to hold accountable. Useless idiots - the whole lot of them.
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by Wilson
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07/12/07 10:24 PM
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I'd like to have one for the house. I'll pay $15 and come to Kurt Browning's office and get it. WWW
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by S.K
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07/12/07 08:15 PM
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Given the debacle in 2000, then the rush to replace paper with electronic machines,followed by the 2004 elections, this is a low price to pay for an honest count.
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by Paul
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07/12/07 07:57 PM
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Place the old, inept, suspicious machines on eBay.
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by Lily Tomlin
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07/12/07 04:57 PM
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"No matter how cynical I get, I can never seem to keep up."
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by Jason
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07/12/07 04:39 PM
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I'm in electronics. The parts are worth about 10% of what they were worth.These machines will be parted out and sent to China for de-soldering of components and then placed in to the off brand products. WalMart/$30 25" TV / how do you think it works?
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by Laurie
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07/12/07 04:29 PM
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Tax dollars hard at work! Who cares, it's just the hard working American's money!!
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by Jim S
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07/12/07 03:54 PM
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Is Clark's hubby in on this sale to Pinellas too?
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by rico
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07/12/07 03:15 PM
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This is the fault of the people and the media. After 2000, the people and the media demanded a change from punch card voting (which was perfectly fine for somebody with a brain). The public demanded these machines without taking time to think aboutit
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by joe
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07/12/07 02:58 PM
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There is nothing wrong with these machines, they are capable of printing, and they should never have been replaced. Floridian election officials should be ashamed of themselves. Fire them all and start over.
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by Ann
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07/12/07 02:09 PM
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Those voting machine companies produced a faulty product. That can be costly. Ask Ford Motor Company and others who have had to replace faulty parts in cars. So, don't pay the bill. The product was bad and didn't do what it was promised it could.
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by Drew
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07/12/07 01:57 PM
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It doesn't matter what the votes are cast on, as long as the people at the final count are cheating it doesn't matter. oh...I heard craigslist is offering $5 a machine :)
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by sue
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07/12/07 01:55 PM
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Crist deserves the blame. First it was chads and now supposedly touchscreens that got Bush in office, please. When the next president is not of your party will the cry be optical scanners are flawed. Touchscreens were easy to use & have paper trail
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by TJ
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07/12/07 01:51 PM
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Maybe we should go back to the horse and buggy too! I never had and issue with the touch screen and found them extremely easy to use. Why could then just not attach a printer to the old systems?
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by JustVote
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07/12/07 01:31 PM
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What's the difference? Just vote!
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by bbuc
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07/12/07 12:27 PM
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Politicians will have a harder time manipulating the vote without these crappy machines, but they STILL won't let us have recounts unless there is .0025 or less discrepancy in an election. AND they still won't audit the votes to confirm accuracy.
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by bbuc
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07/12/07 12:13 PM
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Don't blame Gov Crist- thank him. He made the hard choice to dump these goofy machines when local politicians wouldn't admit they screwed up by buying them.
THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE. We have George Bush because of them being in FL and Ohio.
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by Betty
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07/12/07 12:06 PM
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Certainly someone can write a software program and create a video game for this equipment. Or, what about printing or validating parking garage tickets. Get the techies together and brainstorm!!!
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by Nick
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07/12/07 11:34 AM
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I'll give $2 bucks each for them..I think I can sell them on EBAY for $4
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by Sandy
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07/12/07 11:18 AM
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I think the wasted money spent on these voting machines should come out of Gov. Charlie Crist's salary, the buck should start and stop at the TOP!
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by Jason
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07/12/07 11:09 AM
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Yep the waste of money should come out of the saleries of the politicians...good point!
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by Kitty
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07/12/07 11:08 AM
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I may be incorrect, but isn't one of the "unelectable due to poor personal and financial choices" bush brothers heavily involved with this company?
At least this isn't as bad as Jeb's State Unified Personnel system fiasco.
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by Tom
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07/12/07 11:08 AM
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Lets just not pay whats owed. Really! let them take the junk back and then we can sue them for the faulty machines in return. It happens all the the time in the private world. Why do tax payers have to pay for junk? Because we normally do? Sue them
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by Tom
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07/12/07 11:02 AM
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I think Sequoia is lying and looking for a quick buck, as if they haven't screwed us enough already. They know just how valuable the reusable parts are.I would like to see the state default on the money owed. What are they going to do? Repo them. LOL
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by Joe
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07/12/07 11:02 AM
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Thanks for wasting more of my tax money.
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by Sue
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07/12/07 10:59 AM
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These machines had a paper trail in them already and were great. What a waste of money to go backward to optical scanners. Way to go, Crist. I'll remember come election time.
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by Bill
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07/12/07 10:37 AM
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The waste of dollars is requiring counties to get rid of the touchscreen machines. There is not creditable evidence that these machines do not work and they are easy to use.
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