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Good man, sure. Good manager, wait and see
By GARY SHELTON
Published July 15, 2007
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Fans criticize Rays manager Joe Maddon for many of his coaching techniques. But most of all, they criticize him for having the sunniest of dispositions after the gloomiest of defeats.
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[Times photo: Brian Cassella]
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ST. PETERSBURG
Good guy, Joe Maddon. Smart guy. Happy guy.
Do you suppose that is why he seems to drive so many fans so crazy?
Ah, if only Maddon were a lout, perhaps people would like him more. If he screamed and snarled and fussed and fumed, if he threatened relief pitchers and kicked umpires and swore at mascots, if he knew more bartenders and bail bondsmen personally, perhaps people would cheer his name. Maybe they could call him something like "The General."
After all, this is what we look for in a manager. We like a short fuse. We like a gravel voice. We like an iron fist. We like someone capable of a complete, embarrassing meltdown. We like someone who isn't so darned likeable.
On the other hand, Maddon is a nice guy.
The nerve of him.
He speaks softly. He praises loudly. He smiles continually. In the beer league that is major-league baseball, he is a wine spritzer. In the singing-the-blues position of Rays manager, he is a pop song.
Along the way, Maddening Joe Maddon seems to get on a lot of nerves.
Fans criticize Maddon for pulling his pitchers too quickly. They criticize him for not pinch-hitting quickly enough. They criticize him for the way he argues with umpires. Most of all, they criticize him for having the sunniest of dispositions after the gloomiest of defeats.
With every happy thought after every unhappy loss, the criticism swells. Some of it is fair and some of it unfair, but the amazing thing is how much of it is dropped at Maddon's feet. In the history of the Rays, only Vince Naimoli, the human dunk tank, has been a bigger target for fan frustration.
Around here, there always has been a bigger target to blame than the manager. Fans felt sorry for Lou Piniella, and they respected Hal McRae, and they tolerated Larry Rothschild.
Joe? Joe vexes them greatly. The criticism of him clogs up the e-mail, and it fills up the message boards, and it keeps callers on hold on the local talk shows. You might think the Rays didn't know anything about last place until Maddon came to town.
Look, the intention here is not to defend Maddon. He has now lost 156 times in his 252 games as manager of the Rays, and a record like that begs for disapproval. Besides, the Rays ought to be tickled to death that fans still care enough to get upset.
The truth is, we don't yet know how good a manager Maddon is. The Rays, who haven't exercised his option for next year, don't seem sure yet, either. Still, in the interest of fairness, shouldn't we examine the charges against him?
For instance, the old gripe about Maddon pulling his pitchers too early is all wrong. Deep down, I suspect even the critics know better. Arms are fragile things, and pitchers are million-dollar investments, and the Rays aren't going anywhere this year. Given that, wouldn't it be foolish for a team to risk its young arms?
If you want to blame someone, blame Andrew Friedman for not building a better bullpen. Blame Stuart Sternberg for not having a bigger payroll. Blame society for not producing more relievers.
The pinch-hitting? To tell the truth, yeah, I'd like to see Maddon pinch-hit a little more. Whenever Dioner Navarro is scheduled to bat, for instance.
Ah, but you and I both know the real reason for the friction between Maddon and the fans, don't we? It's Maddon's incessant search for something to praise when other managers would be finding someone to bury. It's like hearing someone talk about how good the fishing will be as the house floods. It's like someone talking about the sunset as the volcano is erupting.
Remember when Maddon praised a throw by Delmon Young in the echoes of a 15-4 loss to Boston? Remember when he lauded Edwin Jackson's performance as his team lost its 10th straight? Game-show hosts aren't that peppy.
Hey, I understand. Maddon is working overtime to keep things positive on a franchise where there hasn't been much. Sometimes, I suspect, he says these things so the noise is aimed at him and no one notices that a pitcher gave up a touchdown in the first inning.
Still, there are times you would like to hear a trace of irritation in Maddon's voice. There are times you want to hear him demand more.
Me? I'm a helper. Before Saturday night's game, I gave Maddon a half-dozen index cards with alternative answers for postgame defeats. A few were simple profanities, just as a reminder. One threatened the bullpen with a chainsaw. One suggested the job might be responsible for how old Piniella looked when he left.
Maddon laughed. But at least he kept the cards.
Personally, I suspect he admired the penmanship.
Gary Shelton can be reached at (727) 893-8805.
[Last modified July 14, 2007, 23:29:02]
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by Mike
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07/27/07 01:59 AM
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I too like Joe. The fault lies on ownership for not giving him any arms outside of Kaz & Shields to work with. Granted I'd like to see Gomes in the lineup everyday, particularly while Rocco's out, but other than that minor quibble Maddon's ok by me.
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by Austin
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07/17/07 12:36 AM
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We have a great young nucleus that includes Crawford, Upton, Young, Pena, Gomes, Auki, Shields, and Kazmir. Our record should be better. Madden instills no accountability for effort and performance. He's a bad manager and he needs to be fired.
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by Kyle
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07/16/07 03:59 PM
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News flash: The Rays lost when Pinella was here too. Guys like Pinella get credit for winning with good players but he gets a pass for coming here and losing. The Rays would be .500 now with two decent relievers. I like Joe.
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by Roger
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07/16/07 02:47 PM
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because clowns like Fossum, Witasik, and Glover all implode with equal inability. Iwamura would be better suited to bat lower in the lineup, but there's no one to bat leadoff, no one to play 2nd, no one healthy in CF. Joe is just trying to tread.
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by Roger
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07/16/07 02:45 PM
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error isn't as great thus when a move backfires, it is magnified. That is the best way do describe Joe. His talent is so thin, that it is nearly impossible for him to make a good decision. Even removing Brian Smokes from a prominent role looks bad
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by Roger
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07/16/07 02:43 PM
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Brendan Harris' mistake was inexcusable! B.J. Upton was a gas can in CF yesterday. Josh Wilson should never be on a major league roster. We all know that Navarro is still playing to try to justify a trade. Joe doesn't have much, so his margin for
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by Roger
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07/16/07 02:41 PM
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Players win the games. The front office has done a terrible job of putting good ones in place or even enticing them to come here with a vision. 2ndly, fundamentals are lacking. Did anyone mention that the Rays lost 2 runners on basepath's yesterda
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by Brad
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07/16/07 01:57 PM
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Maddon has a great attitude for a team that can handle their own business. For a young team there needs to be some sort of discipline and high standards to try and achieve. It's obvious that Maddon doesn't believe in those by the way he uses Jackson.
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by frank
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07/16/07 01:31 PM
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who cares about hernandez in triple a.bating 290.48%out in second base,why
the silense about that.
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by Roscoe
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07/16/07 10:54 AM
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I can't believe how many of you think you can do a better job than Maddon. Why, only if you were the manager the Rays would be winning. I think you should apply for the job of manager of the Rays because I'm sure you could get these guys to win.
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by Scott
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07/16/07 12:06 AM
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How about some of the trades we have made to keep the pay roll down? Its not Maddons fault the ownership is cheap and trying to develop a minor league team in the majors. Mark Hendrickson 2.92 Million 4-4 3.92 ERA reliever/starter and a lefty $$$$$$$
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by Richard
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07/15/07 11:24 PM
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Has nothing to do with his temperment. It's his managing. Why did he keep 3 200 hitters, Dukes, Baldelli. & Norton the 1,2,&4 hitters for the longest time with the 300 hitters like Harris at the bottom of the line-up? And Fossum in for lefties? 350av
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by Dave
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07/15/07 10:29 PM
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Bob (DQ) both Zambrano and Oswalt have thrown more pitches than Kaz/ Kaz's problem is he is ineffecient. We gotta convince our pitchers it's okay to throw strikes, that's what your defense is for.
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by Joel
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07/15/07 07:39 PM
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THe fact is that Maddon has not had enough time to make an impact. Everybody thought Dungy was too quiet and did't get flustered, but everybody was upset when he left and happy for INDY because of him. Lets not run him out wihtout a chance...
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by Don
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07/15/07 07:13 PM
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Nice guy? Who cares? Can he manage a winning team? I care! Two things I hate about Maddon: His consistently poor decisions during games, and his obsession with "pitch count" in deciding when to change pitchers. Tickets to Rays games? No thanks!
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by kb
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07/15/07 05:32 PM
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gary shelton is essentially giving maddon a "free pass to the future" and endorsement with a column like this! we're just being told to "wait patiently, my child." maddon's option WILL be picked up, people. the ownership is tickled pink with him!!
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by kb
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07/15/07 05:30 PM
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Being "nice" isn't going to send home the msg to some of these overpaid players that royally sucking is OK. the casey fossums of the world need to start fearing for their jobs. no, their jobs should have been yanked from them long ago.
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by Mike
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07/15/07 03:24 PM
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Tampa Bay should not even be allowed to keep a team the way that ownership has been. They play in a dump and the fans there have nothing to look foward to. What a disaster.
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by Mary
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07/15/07 02:53 PM
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If this was business he would be gone. Results are the metric of management performance...and the end does justify the means.
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by Edgar
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07/15/07 01:35 PM
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Nice guy but not a big league manager. Maddon goes along with Friedman's stupidity.Maddon says the dumbest things and looks lifeless in the dugout.He is not a good manager plus Lou gave him something to work with but all Joe did was made it worse.
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by BigRay
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07/15/07 01:00 PM
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So,Maddon is a nice guy, but he can't win games. He appears to be in way over his head. His in-game decisions are remarkably and consistently wrong. That is the reason the fans don't like him. The guy is a bench coach and that is all.
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by Paul
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07/15/07 12:30 PM
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Good man....Sure. Good manager....Absolutly Not !!! This team of mostly minor league talent has to learn that losing is not an option. Maddons style might work for some other team but not a bunch of amatures. They need a Billy Martin type manager.
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by Andrew
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07/15/07 11:43 AM
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The Devil Rays have a great manager: Don Zimmer. They just don't appear to be using him.
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by JSP
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07/15/07 11:21 AM
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I met Joe last night at the Cuesta-Rey thing. He is a nice guy and talked to everybody for quite awhile. I think he is a great coach, just not sure about a manager. Having a manager who is too nice is a good problem to have with young players...
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by Clancy
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07/15/07 11:14 AM
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Saving the arms of your young pitchers?
Wouldn't it make more sense to just compete at the minor league level. Judging by the attendance, attitude of the front office, and coaches, this is hardly a major league team.
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by the trop
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07/15/07 11:14 AM
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he is protecting his arms. Shields is a efficient pitcher. He goes 8IP throwing under 100 pitches. if he was in the 6th w 100 he would be pulled too. great article, one of the few this year Ive enjoyed. this team will be good, but many steps left.
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by Lynn
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07/15/07 11:10 AM
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I admire Joe's positive attitude, a True Sign of a Winnner...Napoleon Hill would be proud of him.
Yes, maybe he does need to practice "Tough Love" with these players. We need Fans that Believe that The Rays are Winners...no matter what!
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by the trop
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07/15/07 11:08 AM
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great article. this is true we dont like him because he is so likeable
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by Jeff
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07/15/07 10:46 AM
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Personally, I could care less whether he is a great guy or not... does he win? It is accurate to blame the ownership and front office. After all, they let Lou Pinella go and hired Maddon (and kept the 10 year tradition of "looking to the future").
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by Jim
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07/15/07 10:31 AM
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The Owners of the Rays should tell the commissioner, Go to H____! and hire Pete Rose as our manager. There is no fire in their bellies, 1 or 2 of the players show some fire but the rest of the team needs someone with a blow torch.
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by Bill
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07/15/07 10:17 AM
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Gary: I guess you and I are the only one who see any good at all here. My only criticism is his incessant habit of choosing "in game confidence builders" over wins. (keeping Navarro in the line up) & Giradi's an overrated joke. Stay away from him
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by SteveTwenty
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07/15/07 09:43 AM
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The problem I and others have with Joe is his in game decisions or no decisions. He seems lost as a game manager. Guess as far as teaching, he is teaching the young D Rays how to lose gracefully. I hope they replace him when the season is over.
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by Michael
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07/15/07 09:35 AM
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Gary, what other team would hold on to a manager who has this record. I have followed baseball for over 52 years, saw the best in NY, the Yankees and Dodgers and giants, lets try to find out Girardi and his phone number and give him a call. By Joe.
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by Bob
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07/15/07 09:10 AM
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Last year, on June 22, KAZMIR threw 119 pitches. On July 3rd he threw a 120-pitch shutout.
Not long after, he went down with a "sore" arm.
Kaz is not the same pitcher he was in the first half of 2006!
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by BP
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07/15/07 08:58 AM
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Joe should have melted down last night when Harris was hit by a pitch and called out. Not Joe. He calmly discussed it with the umpire who walked him back to the dugout. C'mon Joe. Light a fire under their asses!
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