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VA turns away cardiac victim

The man was not a vet. Paramedics were told to take him to a more distant emergency room. He did not survive.

By WILLIAM R. LEVESQUE
Published July 25, 2007


In Building 24 at Bay Pines VA Hospital in June, Mark A. Surette collapsed and was not treated at the hospital's emergency room.
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ST. PETERSBURG - The man had suffered a heart attack in a building about 200 feet from the bustling emergency room at Bay Pines VA Medical Center.

But when Bay Pines worker Mark A. Surette collapsed on June 26, Pinellas paramedics weren't sure where to take him.

Surette wasn't a veteran.

So the county asked Bay Pines if its emergency room would treat him. The response: Go to St. Petersburg General Hospital, 3 miles away. Listen to 911 call.

Surette, 51, of St. Petersburg died.

Pinellas County's medical director confirmed Tuesday that she has opened an investigation into the matter, saying Surette should have been treated at the closest hospital. But she said paramedics acted properly, characterizing the inquiry as routine.

"There's no way to know if that extra time made a difference," said Dr. Laurie Romig, the medical director who has oversight of county paramedics. "Our usual practice is to take a patient to the closest emergency room."

John Pickens, a regional spokesman for the Department of Veterans Affairs who works in the same building where Surette collapsed, said the medical center frequently treats seriously ill non-veterans and has no policy against it. He said the VA also is conducting a review of its procedures as a result of the case.

"This is more an aberration than the result of any policy issue," Pickens said.

Surette's next of kin could not be reached for comment. Surette, who worked as a computer assistant at Bay Pines for 17 years, is survived by his parents and two daughters.

The 911 call from Bay Pines was made shortly before 9 a.m. Surette collapsed in Building 24 on the large Bay Pines campus, perhaps 200 feet or less from the entrance to the VA's emergency room. In four minutes, county paramedics arrived.

Surette was in full cardiac arrest. Pickens said VA medical personnel, including a doctor, also responded and provided treatment at the scene.

Though Bay Pines' emergency room is a short walk from the building, the question of where to take Surette was unclear to paramedics.

So someone from Pinellas called Bay Pines.

"Bay Pines," an unidentified caller said, according to a recording of the call. "I got a question for you. We have a request. We have paramedics working ... a facility on your campus there. The patient is not a vet. You are the closest ER. Would you guys be willing to take that patient or do you want him to go to St. Pete General?"

The response: St. Petersburg General. It took about 10 minutes to take Surette to the hospital, county records show.

The caller did not detail Surette's critical condition, nor did the VA employee who took the call ask. Romig said it's unclear if paramedics ever told the VA how ill Surette was, though the agency had personnel at the scene.

"It's just another one of those factors that could have been part of a Murphy's Law chain of events," said Romig.

Also unclear is precisely when Surette was pronounced dead. Romig and the VA could not say, and a spokeswoman for St. Petersburg General Hospital declined to comment, citing patient confidentiality.

Romig said she doesn't know of any other instance in which Bay Pines turned away a patient at its emergency room. In fact, she said VA officials had previously assured her that they would accept any seriously ill emergency patient.

"It could be that this philosophy has not yet made it to all the staff, and it's really a simple mistake," she said.

By law, hospitals are not allowed to turn away acutely ill patients from their emergency rooms, a spokeswoman for St. Petersburg General Hospital said. But officials were not sure that applied to a VA facility.

Romig said there is sometimes a degree of confusion with paramedics about where to take a patient when they respond to federal property. The confusion centers on whether the Pinellas policy of taking a patient to the nearest hospital applies to non-veterans, if the nearest hospital is a VA facility, Romig said.

That uncertainty led the county to call Bay Pines.

"We don't usually call and ask, 'Will you accept this patient?' " Romig said. "That's a rare thing. This was one of those gray areas. ... A decision had to be made. So they thought they would do the polite thing and ask.

"I don't think we could say our folks did anything incorrect," she said.

Once told to take Surette to the more-distant hospital, Romig said, "It's not a time to argue."

Pickens, the VA spokesman, said Bay Pines officials listened to a recording of the call provided to the agency by the St. Petersburg Times.

"While VA doctors and nurses were first responders, and appropriate emergency treatment was provided at the scene, our review concluded that communications regarding care for non-veteran emergency patients can be improved," Pickens said in a statement.

Officials with Sunstar, the private company that employs the paramedics under contract for Pinellas County, declined to comment.

Times staff writer William R. Levesque can be reached at (813) 226-3436 or levesque@sptimes.com.

[Last modified July 25, 2007, 13:41:26]


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Comments on this article
by S 07/30/07 11:31 PM
The question I have is....What did the Doc. onscene have to say? Why did he not advise the crew toload the patient on their stretcher and go inside. I don't blame the crew. You have to follow the standards, as they did.
by Betty 07/27/07 08:43 AM
This incident has nothing to do with how a veteran is treated at Bay Pines. The ER is one of the best in the State. I wish the reporter would report all the facts.
by Fran 07/26/07 06:40 PM
continued - so have your baby at the Target down the road, lots of customer and employees to assist, and Yes the insurance paid, because they made a "Simple Mistake" that I delevered at Bay Pines Hospital! (Life).
by Bill 07/26/07 12:05 PM
Stupidest thing I ever heard. If he'd been off the campus with no one who knew him, they would have taken him to Bay Pines. Paramedics need some common sense, let alone training.
by E 07/26/07 07:48 AM
When my mother was in Canada she had to go to a hospital.The kind staff were concerned about her health only-they didn't ask for her insurance that day.In St Pete she had a stroke they dumped her with internal bleeding(insurance pmts too low)she died
by Luis 07/26/07 06:07 AM
This case that just happen it's the tip of the ICEBIRG If an investigation would be placed as to the number of Veterans that have died waiting to get a procedure done it would be in the hundreds. Im hopping they do investigate soon.
by Luis 07/26/07 06:04 AM
There they go again that is the problem with VA hospitals their administrations are bad Im a veteran and I can tell you it's all over. Some of the styaff in the VA hospitals are no good and the rest get harm by the very phew that behave bad.
by garry 07/26/07 05:58 AM
stupid mistake, done deal, get the check book out
by Mark 07/26/07 12:10 AM
As a Vet at Baypines,I can understand how that would happen.That place is so short staffed,that anything more then getting coffee at the Starbucks the complex can be very trying for them.THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM,EMPLOYEES ARE ALOWED TO BE SEEN .
by Edith 07/25/07 10:22 PM
Iam not suprised to see this incident take place in a VA Facility.Common sense often takes a backseat to sheer indifference and or stupidity. I should know, as I lost my husband, who was a Vet to indifference and poor care.
by MM 07/25/07 09:12 PM
I work in the ER at BP. Sadly, I wasn't shocked about this. Without question, that man should have been brought over to the ER the moment BP medical personnel responded to him. The nursing staff in the ER needs a turnover.
by carol 07/25/07 08:00 PM
Hospitals area a joke. Whenever you want to die, admit yourself. I watched my mother die of cancer in hospitals and the staff was the most apathetic people in the world. I have NO respect for Dr, either. They, too, are a joke.
by Barry 07/25/07 07:39 PM
Not really unusual for Bay Pines. This is a shining example of how VA administration treats employees.
by Pat 07/25/07 05:58 PM
This is a very complicated and unfortunate case. As an ER doc, I would have hoped that he was able to be started on advanced life support by the paramedics and others at the scene. Most VA ER's do not treat priority 1 patients from 911 ambo units.
by Anne 07/25/07 05:58 PM
After listening to the audio I must assign some fault with the medical control caller. He certainly didn't convey the urgency of the situation through words or tone of voice. If there was a VA doc on scene--he gets my vote for the most blame.
by Rickster 07/25/07 05:43 PM
Hey Lisa: If Healthcare was socialized, they could have just brought him in to the Bay Pines ER without having to ask permission. The DMV runs fine as far as I know for what they do. We are all being treated like this now!! Time for a change.
by rkm 07/25/07 05:32 PM
sounds like bay pines may not have had either, one, the equipment or two, the personnel to save this individual. he was at a hospital, i fail to see why he was transported to any other facility before being stabalized.
by Lou 07/25/07 04:52 PM
Dr Laurie Romig is anything BUT a cold uncaring person! I know, because she's my twin sister. Laurie wants nothing less for the members of her community than she wants for her family. Don't judge her on the wording of one comment in one interview!
by william 07/25/07 02:56 PM
i am a doctor and am appalled by the way this was managed,should have just taken to er vet or not,,,this is SUNSTAR MEDICAL MALPRACTICE AND SHOULD SHOULD LOSE LICENSE
by Steve 07/25/07 01:53 PM
Unbelievable.
by Tom D 07/25/07 01:37 PM
You have a person who to medical people at the scene has suffered a heart attack and collapsed. There is an emegency room within a stones throw and you need to ask where to take him? All at the scene should be fired and sued-hospital also!!
by Russ 07/25/07 01:35 PM
Did you people who are throwing VA under the bus READ the article? If he was critically ill,why would the Paramedics even hesitate to rush him into VA's ER!! Based on the article, the VA employee who answered the phone had no clue it was an emergency
by sara 07/25/07 01:00 PM
no matter who you are ..hospitals should help you.... no matter what!!!!! shame on them........
by Leon 07/25/07 12:58 PM
The VA hospital at Baypines is no different than any other medical institution they are not perfect. I have noticed a trend with your newspaper to slam the VA at every opportunity. That's Objective Jurnalism for ya. Tragedy happens everywhere.
by samuel 07/25/07 12:28 PM
IMPEACH BUSH NOW
by Sad day... 07/25/07 12:14 PM
I knew Mark and his daughter. He was a very nice man. Its sad to hear that he was denied possibly life saving medical care. Its a sad sad day. My heart goes out to those girls.
by Mimi 07/25/07 11:12 AM
Everyone is afaid of the consequences of making a decision.Ultimately a paramedic should have made a professional decision and said we treat him here.Now a man is dead and we are fed excuses.But no excuse raises the dead.
by Hoshi 07/25/07 10:48 AM
I hope the VA gets sued off their butt. I have never sued and am not a sue happy person - but that is ridiculous, he was in a hospital for gods sake - what about the doctors oath to save lives. So governmental...
by David 07/25/07 10:30 AM
Our Gov. at work,here we have a man who took care of our vets in some way, shape, or form , but they can't help him. No wonder I bite the bullet and see my own Dr. I would'nt send my dog to the VA !!!
by DR 07/25/07 10:16 AM
How very sad. It reminds me of the documentry SICKO. The "simple mistake" cost someone their life, the VA Hospital staff need to be held accountable for their "simple mistake". How immoral and unethical
by Stephanie 07/25/07 09:52 AM
This is an example of why we need universal healthcare. This person would have been taken to the closest hospital if there wasn't a question of whether treatment would be paid for by insurance.
by Kim 07/25/07 09:49 AM
This is Bill Young's baby. I guess this is what Bill has made the hospital to become. Exclusive.
by JP 07/25/07 09:45 AM
I agree Lauren...forgiveness vs. permission.
by Dallas 07/25/07 09:34 AM
This is the same place that spent large piles of cash on a usless computer system that never worked. Are we really surprised?
by M 07/25/07 09:26 AM
As someone who worked in Pinellas EMS for 10 years this is not a new thing. The er at the VA is little more than a walk in clinic and taking anyone who actually needs care would be have been wrong. The crews did what they were supposed to.
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