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Q&A: Who pays when no-fault insurance law changes?
Rates may drop, but someone still has to pay. Drivers need to check their policies now.
By JENNIFER LIBERTO and TOM ZUCCO, Times Staff Writers
Published August 15, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - After being on the books for 36 years, Florida's no-fault auto insurance laws that require all drivers to buy personal injury protection, or PIP, are set to end.
The official expiration date is Oct. 1, but this week is pivotal.
Auto insurers must send out notices to their policyholders at least 45 days before rates change, so unless the Legislature acts at the last minute, no-fault will expire.
State Farm, Florida's largest auto insurer, already has sent out one round of notices and other carriers are doing the same. Whether insurance companies have guessed wrong remains to be seen. But the process is in motion.
How could the end of no-fault affect Florida's nearly 13-million motorists? Here are some questions and answers.
What is PIP?
PIP stands for personal injury protection and is currently part of an auto policy that covers medical coverage for all Florida drivers, no matter who is at fault. Unless lawmakers act, that mandated protection disappears on Oct. 1. PIP covers the driver of the car and the passengers.
Will this take effect all at once?
No. Most policies won't change until they come up for renewal. But experts strongly recommend you talk to your insurance agent so you understand what's covered and what's not before you renew.
What happens if I'm in an accident after Oct. 1?
A law enforcement officer will have to determine fault, and then the at-fault driver will be responsible for damages. If the other driver has his or her own insurance, that company pays. If not, your insurance company may have to file a lawsuit to recover damages.
You can also buy additional coverage, like uninsured motorist coverage, so that your insurance company will pay to repair your car if somebody without auto insurance hits you.
What if I'm injured?
Again, that depends on who police say is at fault and whether the person who hit you has insurance. It also depends on what kind of coverage you have through your auto insurance. Your health insurance may also cover some expenses.
How many uninsured motorists are there in Florida?
About 750,000, according to the state. Nearly 12-million Florida motorists are insured.
What kind of auto insurance coverage do I have to buy by law?
That's still unclear. When no-fault disappears, the question remains as to whether drivers will be required to buy insurance covering property damage to cars. While auto insurers say they believe the sunset doesn't affect laws requiring drivers to buy property damage coverage, the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles says they believe property damage laws will also disappear, according to DMV spokeswoman Julie Baker. Potentially, Florida could join a few states that don't mandate auto insurance coverage. However, the department is still looking into it.
Will my auto insurance rates go down?
Regulators say yes, because eliminating PIP means auto insurers have less liability. State Farm Mutual, AIG and Allstate have requested rate decreases for auto customers, and most other insurers are expected to do the same.
How much could I save?
Since most companies appear to be filing for decreases in the 15 to 17 percent range, the savings for a two-car household will be about $450 a year.
Will my health insurance rates go up?
Hospitals and health insurance companies say yes; auto insurance companies say no. Both appear to have numbers to back them up.
What about bodily injury protection?
Most policies carry some kind of bodily injury coverage, but it's not mandatory now and won't be after Oct. 1. This coverage protects you if you injure someone in an accident.
What are the chances the Legislature is going to revive the mandatory no-fault laws during the special session?
The Legislature has had four years to come up with a solution to prevent the state's no-fault laws from going away. Given those odds, it doesn't look good, say those who are watching the issue closely. Even Gov. Charlie Crist and state CFO Alex Sink have said the chances are slim.
What advice do regulators have for people with more questions?
"There's definitely going to be a lot more responsibility on the part of the driver if PIP sunsets," said Tom Zutell, a spokesman for the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation. "And it's going to be confusing at first. That's why people have to talk to their agents."
Times staff writer Helen Huntley contributed to this report.
FAST FACTS: Check your insurance
Now is a good time to take a quick spin through your auto and health insurance policies. On your auto policy, check to see what the limits are for property damage, bodily injury, and uninsured motorists. On your health insurance policy, check to make sure you're covered for injuries in an auto accident, and how much coverage you have. Call your insurance agent if you have any questions.
Florida not alone
States that have repealed their no-fault laws:
- Nevada: effective 1974, repealed 1980.
- Pennsylvania: effective 1976, repealed 1984, re-enacted 1990.
- Georgia: effective 1975, repealed 1991.
- Connecticut: effective 1973, repealed 1993.
- Colorado: effective 1974, repealed 2003.
Source: Insurance Information Institute
[Last modified August 15, 2007, 01:14:34]
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by Ray
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10/04/07 06:24 PM
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Well i just got a ticket for no having insurance on my car, i thought that i did not need it. whats you intake on this...
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by JTS
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09/25/07 10:38 AM
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PIP for the Chiro is going to kick out the Chiro's who do nothing but bill and eat up the benefits. This is a good thing we can now get back to treating and not cheating for your PIP. Ins. will pay if you do the right things in not get an atty.
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by Wendy
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09/22/07 03:16 PM
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Have fun getting your insurance company pay your UM Coverage even if injured in MVA caused by other driver. An insurance company will do almost anything to get out of paying your UM Claim. Then, good luck with future premiums. 3 yrs & 5 cont. hurt.
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by Wendy
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09/22/07 03:09 PM
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With MVA caused by driver backing into stopped van, driver was injured. At fault driver had only min. coverage. If not for PIP, we would could not managed with lost wages, medical. This is a travesty! We already have no rights, bad faith is rampant
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by Matt
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09/04/07 08:11 PM
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PIP is involved in alot of fraud. Get rid of the fraud then rates go down and those using the system aren't going to the hospital at all since they were going to clinics anyways and make BI mandatory.
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by ts
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09/01/07 01:16 PM
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With PIP gone, your health insurance rates will go up as well, substantially more than the few dollars you will save by letting PIP sunset.
We should keep the PIP (personal injury protection) make B/I (Bodily Injury) mandatory!
P.S. Ever been in
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by dawn
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08/30/07 12:10 PM
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Why pay for PIP when in reality if you are in an accident your PIP bens are exhausted before you ever leave the ER. This will however increase our already toooo high health insurance rates as health ins will now pay for these accidents.
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by David
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08/29/07 03:05 PM
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Insurance is all about responsibility. If you injure someone, cause property damage to someone or hurt yourself, you are responsible to that person or for your medical costs you incounter. Without no fault we will pay for those irrisponsible people
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by Rosy
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08/23/07 01:12 PM
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The sunset of PIP is going to reduce the rates for people with full coverage policies, but is going to increase policies everytime they have to open claim due to someone else fault that has no insurance.We are still going to have to pay more money.
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by Rosy
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08/23/07 01:06 PM
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Definetely need to be accurate on your story. UM does not cover any damages to the car. I feel people are going to reduced their deductible on the Comprehensive and Collision Coverage, and add UM, to be protected from the ones that have no insurance.
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by Agent
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08/18/07 12:33 PM
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We have high rates here for good reasons - Florida is a cesspool of population density, very old and very young drivers, tons of uninsured drivers (soon to be more) and high value cars. We have the 6th highest rates in the US, they should be higher.
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by Agent
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08/18/07 12:24 PM
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Journalism License? Is there such a thing? Just wanted to reiterate that UM doesn't cover anyone's property - it's a medical coverage. You may want to lower your collision deductible after October, cuz the person who hit you probably isn't covered
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by James
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08/17/07 03:37 PM
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Sandra, right now all you need for tags in Florida is PIP and PD coverage but no liability if you injure someone else. That's why UM is so important and expensive, in Fl.
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by James
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08/17/07 03:27 PM
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David, sounds like you need a different agent. Most agents are advocates for their customers and and offer accurate advice. The customer makes the final decisions If your agent doesn't meet this criteria he or she doesn't deserve your business.
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by James
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08/17/07 03:14 PM
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Sid, you are partly right but should also invest in Med Pay. UM only pays if the other party is at fault and is un or under insured.
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by Sandra
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08/17/07 12:27 PM
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Everything is broken. How is it that there are 750,000 irresponsible uninsured motorist driving around? Don't you have to prove ins when getting tags for an auto and when ins expires, what does the state do about that? Can't they pull the tags?
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by Lulu
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08/16/07 10:21 PM
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Comprehensive & Collision is EXCLUSIVELY for the repair of a vehicle Paper holds anysthing you write, yet you should have all the facts and check your spelling before you print
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by Lulu
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08/16/07 10:16 PM
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Comprehensive and Collision Coverage is EXCLUSIVELY
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by Jim
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08/16/07 06:23 PM
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Your article is flawed. Uninsured Motorist coverage DOES NOT repair cars. Police offecers may make a determination of fault but it is meaningless when determining legal liability.
PIP needs to be fixed, not eliminated.
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by Anne
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08/16/07 04:53 PM
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The St Petersburg Times is not known for its accuracy. Ever!
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by Insurance employee
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08/16/07 03:57 PM
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There are huge problems in states that have repealed the pip laws in their states. Fla is no different. Hospitals will close and drivers will suffer. If anything it should be raised.
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by The concerned
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08/16/07 03:55 PM
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Insurance companies own this country for a reason. They sold this 10K coverage but from day one were very reluctant to pay. In other workds you pay your premium but didn't get coverage anyway. The inurance companies scamed the insured and won again.
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by sph
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08/16/07 02:58 PM
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This article is incorrect, I am a PIP adjuster with a large insurance company here in florida, and I can trully says PIP should go away even though its my job it is to overwhelmed with fraud especially in the Miami area. Please get UM COVERAGE!
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by Carol
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08/16/07 02:32 PM
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Good riddance to a bad idea. This is just another ploy to get more insurance profits. Auto insurance in this state is ridiculously high. The coverage under no-fault is minimal and would not even cover an average er visit. We don't need it.
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by Michele
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08/16/07 02:28 PM
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Uninsured motorist does not cover your car in the state of Florida. Also, under the financial responsibility law, if you have an at-fault accident and do not have Bodily Injury and Property Damage Liability your drivers license can be suspended.
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by dar
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08/16/07 10:53 AM
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this goes to Sal, you must not have State Farm Ins because mine goes down all the time
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by Lindsay
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08/16/07 10:16 AM
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I work for an insurance company and i wanted to inform the writer to GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. uninsured motorist DOES NOT cover damages to your veichle at all it only covers medical if youre injured by someone else and they dont have insurance.
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by Dave
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08/15/07 11:47 PM
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The no-fault law SHOULD be repealed, however, property and bodily liability should be mandatory. The only people the no-fault law serves are the the people who cause accidents.
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by jim
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08/15/07 11:25 PM
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retract the story and print the truth or lose your journalism license
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by jim
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08/15/07 11:22 PM
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hmm funny how my comments pointing out the numerous errors in the the story can not be accessed or was conveniently deleted by the editors
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by Sal
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08/15/07 09:56 PM
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I've never seen an insurance premium go down in Florida. Never...
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by Greg
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08/15/07 09:54 PM
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I agree with the fact that PIP will probably die but why would you print something with so much incorrect information. No Fault is about PIP, not Bodily Injury or Property Damage. Please state the facts. Thank you!
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by Steve
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08/15/07 08:41 PM
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With all of the miserable drivers here it is astonishing to see that the state is being more liberal with insurance restrictions. In 30 years of driving I had never been hit until living here.
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by JE
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08/15/07 08:29 PM
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Zucco, do you spend more than 3 minutes writing a story?. Your article is loaded with inaccurate information. If your intent was to frenzify the one syllable minded Times readers into a rabid state - you succeeded. Do your homework Zucco.
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by john
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08/15/07 07:54 PM
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Why should people with health insurance have to buy extra coverage like PIP.
I say let it expire like most of the other states that don't require it and have lower premiums. Just watch, in a few months, all the hoopla will be for naught. World will
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