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A quiet downtown now rocks
As the city's nightlife surges, noise complaints quadruple since 2004.
By CRISTINA SILVA, Times Staff Writer
Published August 22, 2007
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From left, Seven O'Clock Shadow's Christian Schwier, Jen Medina and Cameron Stockton rock the crowd last week at Fresco's, whose owner says: "It's downtown St. Pete. It shouldn't shut down at 10 o'clock."
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[Scott Keeler | Times]
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ST. PETERSBURG The arrival of sleek condominium towers, trendy restaurants and bars and inviting coffee shops has increased the number of people living downtown in the past decade. But with the constant hum of activity comes the steady sounds of progress: an ambulance siren, the beeping of a construction truck in reverse and the inebriated chatter of bargoers making their way home all make slumber in downtown a restless affair, say residents who are fed up with the noise. Complaints about loud noise downtown have more than quadrupled in the past three years. In 2004, the Police Department received 33 complaints about possible noise violations. In 2005, there were 81. Last year, 148 complaints were made. The complaints reveal downtown's growing pains as the once commercial neighborhood has become home to thousands of residents. "There are many forms of pollution and noise is a pollution," said Emil Pavone, a Bayfront Tower condominium resident who has complained to city officials about loud music downtown. But business owners and city officials say noise is what urban living is all about and residents need to be more tolerant, or at least invest in thicker windows. "People are moving downtown because of places like Jannus Landing and the nightlife in downtown St. Petersburg," said John "Jack" Bodziak, owner of Jannus Landing Productions and several bars downtown. "If you move into an urban environment where all the nightlife is, there are going to be people, there is going to be noise." Noise violations were rarely an issue in downtown in years past, mostly because, up until a decade ago, the area was practically a ghost town after dark. Then, city officials, concerned about the neighborhood's attractiveness and safety, encouraged mixed-use development in hopes of reviving the area. The rise in complaints doesn't actually represent an increase in noise ordinance violations, police officials said. Residents can call in anonymously about a number of issues, including traffic, musical concerts, people talking loudly on the sidewalk or construction. The city's noise ordinance prohibits decibel levels louder than 75 during the day, 70 during early evening hours, and 60 decibels late at night and in the early morning. But many events or occurrences that are common in an active downtown produce sounds louder than those decibel levels. An ambulance's siren measures at 120 decibels, a rock concert's sound level is usually 150 decibels, and construction machines often rank in at 98 decibels, according to the Deafness Research Foundation. Even busy traffic can measure at 70 decibels, meaning drivers fleeing downtown late at night after an event are technically violating the city's noise ordinance. Still, residents say they are tired of being told that the noise is normal. "City officials need to understand that downtown is a neighborhood, too," said Tim Baker, president of the Downtown Neighborhood Association. "A lot of people who live downtown think they have to put up with it. That's ridiculous. As if a Grand Prix is something you should expect if you live downtown. How many downtowns have Grand Prix's?" One of the biggest sources of complaints in the past year has been Fresco's Waterfront Bistro on Second Avenue NE. The restaurant plays music on the weekends and residents complain the sound wakes them up. Complaints have gotten so bad that in recent months city officials have begun the process of evicting Fresco's from the city-owned property. According to the restaurant's lease, live music was never allowed at the property, said assistant city attorney Jeanne Hoffman, who is handling the eviction. David Sockol, owner of Fresco's Waterfront Bistro, said if he banned music altogether from his restaurant it would defeat the purpose of opening a business in a lively downtown entertainment district. "The city has been designed for activity and life on the waterfront, whether it is the Grand Prix or the Symphony or Taste of Pinellas," he said. "It's downtown St. Pete. It shouldn't shut down at 10 o'clock." Council member Earnest Williams, whose district includes part of downtown, said he regularly gets complaints from constituents about downtown's loudness. Businesses and residents need to somehow find a compromise, he said. "You do make a conscious decision if you are going to buy a place downtown that it is going to be different from living in another neighborhood," he said. "But I don't think anybody should crank the music up so loud that windows shake and things like that." Cristina Silva can be reached at 727 893-8846 or csilva@sptimes.com.
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by Susan
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08/26/07 01:28 PM
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What planet does this councilmember live on? I bet he does not have to live with this noise. He needs to stop or turn down this noise or be kicked out of office. Or soundproof this restaurant. People are entitled to peace and quiet.
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by KP
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08/25/07 10:29 AM
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Seriously, if you prefer how it was years ago- move to downtown Clearwater. Very quiet there.
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by Jim
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08/24/07 06:18 PM
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I live in old SE on the water and have no idea what David's talking about. What I occasionally hear is easy to ignore - my AC is louder! I enjoy some of the concerts downtown and won't complain when someone else is having their turn.
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by Newslfash
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08/24/07 10:11 AM
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Newsflash-10 years ago downtown was a crime ridden tragedy. Now, the revitalization has come to fruition and you have old geezers complaining. We have a fabulous, beautiful, vibrant downtown. If you can't handle progress- leave! I love dwtn St. Pete!
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by Frank
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08/24/07 10:05 AM
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Part of living downtown is putting up with the sounds of the city. Let the cry badies move on if they don't like it.
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by Joe
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08/23/07 04:44 PM
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Well, I live near the water downtown and I would like the city to drain the bay so my home won't flood in a storm!!
Gimmeabreak! Fresco's and the Grand Prix are two great, unique things that set our city apart and make it a great place to live.
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by Annie
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08/23/07 01:06 PM
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What did people expect when they bought downtown? I have one suggestion, move.
Try a nursing home. Why should a few seniors ruin it for everyone else, and business owners. Back when the condo owners were young, were cities considered "quiet"?
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by Ms. Black
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08/23/07 10:35 AM
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Downtown St. Petersburg needs something like this to introduce more artists and showcase their talent! 7ò019Oclock Shadow is a diamond in the rough and St. Pete needs more live bands like this! Noise comes with the territory!
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by Jack
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08/23/07 09:07 AM
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The type of folks who buy waterfront condos are too used to getting their way. If these narcisists made the predictable mistake of confusing high cost with high quality, then they should reap what they sow. Buy better windows you tacky curmedgeons.
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by Huh?
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08/23/07 08:59 AM
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That's the funny thing with water, it carries sound. Wish I had klnown about this complaint process. I lived a few blocks away from a ballfield and when those pesky kids had games I could hear them! After dark!
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by TOM
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08/23/07 08:19 AM
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Folks that pay the big buck taxes should call the shots.
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by Dan
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08/22/07 09:17 PM
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Such wasted energy, have you heard of Al Gore's Global Warming? Stay home in the dark, save some energy, save the planet...
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by Bruce
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08/22/07 08:28 PM
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Bayfront Tower is a hideous monstrosity and has been since it was built. Why don't we get rid if that eyesore on the waterfront and build an amphitheater? Downtown West Palm Beach has one and they accept the "noise" as part of living in a city.
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by ron
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08/22/07 08:15 PM
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I think that if you live d/t you have to realize that that is a price to pay or you love the fact that the noise is there. There are a lot of old homes built in the 1920s that almost want to fall apart w/ all the noise. I would not buy an old house!
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by Jk
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08/22/07 08:04 PM
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Make up your mind. I think the bottom line is $$. Who will win? Move to any urban downtown area in any city, and you can expect noise. It goes with the territory. Quit your whining, or maybe do a little research before moving DOWNTOWN.
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by David Schauer
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08/22/07 06:12 PM
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We do not live "downtown". For the past twelve years we have lived in Old SE and the noise rolls across the water. Some 25 blocks away and my windows rattle. We did not move downtown. Why should we be forced out in order to find peace and quiet
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by SUSAN
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08/22/07 04:29 PM
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I think a curfew for people under 18 would solve 75% of the problem. Then simply address each business separately. Confine music to indoors after 10:00 p.m. See how that goes. I bet most of the problem would be solved
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by Leroy
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08/22/07 03:58 PM
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7 O'clock Shadow is a great band, and they aren't even loud compared to other concerts I've seen in Downtown St. Pete. What's the dilly-o?
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by stan
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08/22/07 03:43 PM
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I'm shocked that the city is trying to evict Fresco's what great place shame on these lifeless people pavone lost in court once it's time for him to move on or move out!! Surely Rick Baker is not going to let this happen YOU Rock FRESCO'S
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by Daryl
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08/22/07 01:14 PM
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The grand prix is a unique feature other cities would kill to have. If you don't like it - take a vacation that weekend. I've had to listen to condo construction for years, but considered it an "investment" in the future and did not complain.
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by Happy City Resident
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08/22/07 01:12 PM
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It's the CITY of St. Petersburg! You want country quiet - move to NW Pasco. This is not a 55 an older gated community, never will be, and things will only get better (louder) - so pack your crap and get out of town if you can't handle it you whiners!
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by john
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08/22/07 01:02 PM
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It will be very loud on Sept 7th at The Garage. That will give them wrinkle monsters a wedgie for sure!
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by Linda
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08/22/07 12:07 PM
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Dont blame new condo owners for complaints about noise. Frescos and its loud, late night music is a relative newcomer. The Grand Prix should be banned downtown. Events can be spread throughout the city. $ seems to rule in St Pete.
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by John
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08/22/07 11:31 AM
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Tear Bayfront Towers down and send all the whiners to Land-O-Lakes. Same goes for anyone else complaining about noise downtown. Can anyone have FUN anymore, ANYWHERE without offending someone else? It's sickening what we've become as a civilization.
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by John
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08/22/07 11:18 AM
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I'll tell you what is offensive, giant skyscrapping condos that are sprouting up in downtown St Pete. Throw in a vibrant downtown and folks paying $800K and up for a bayfront condo and you are asking for problems. Nice planning St Pete officials.
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by lew
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08/22/07 11:05 AM
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CRANK 'THIS' UP!!
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by GH
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08/22/07 11:01 AM
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Are people seriously complaining about ambulance sirens? Seriously? I truly hope that all these people bought their property BEFORE the businesses sprouted up. Move to downtown Clwtr, it's nice and quiet. Be thankful.
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by Glenn
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08/22/07 10:15 AM
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so let me get this straight, you move into downtown St Petersburg, a "city" and you are going to complain about the noise? Unbelievable. You and your hippy ilk go back to rural New York and tip cows and leave us Floridians alone...
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by Reynolds
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08/22/07 10:09 AM
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The Bayfront Towers knitting committee is bent on closing Fresco's for the alleged loud music, what do they think is going to open if they close...a yarn store
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by Kurtsdad
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08/22/07 09:40 AM
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great aricle. Loud music is how they cover up their mistakes. In the north they tone it down and we find they are great musicans. Miss you in Gulfport
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by Karen
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08/22/07 09:34 AM
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If you want total quiet, DON'T LIVE DOWNTOWN!!!That is the beauty of living downtown is the constant bustle. If you want quiet, move to the country.
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by Jon Gales
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08/22/07 04:27 AM
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Check your facts, 150db isn't as loud as a rock concert, it's louder than a gunshot. Any concert goers would be deaf. Anything over 140db causes immediate pain and damage.
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