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Crist may bet state budget on gambling
A deal with the Seminole Tribe could offer relief, he says.
By STEVE BOUSQUET, Tallahassee Bureau Chief
Published August 22, 2007
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Gov. Crist's predecessor, Jeb Bush, was ardently opposed to more gambling, refusing to negotiate with the tribe, and his brother's administration in Washington did not pressure the state to do so.
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The Seminole Tribe now has Class II bingo-style machines in which gamblers compete against each other. Class III slots involve betting against the house, often with higher payouts.
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TALLAHASSEE - As the political odds increasingly favor Las Vegas-style gambling on Florida tribal lands, the Seminole Tribe sees big dollar signs, and so does Gov. Charlie Crist.
Crist views state-sanctioned casino gambling on tribal lands as a timely way for the state to plug a $1.1-billion budget shortfall without cutting services or raising taxes or fees.
"There are some other opportunities we're looking toward to help us with the budget challenges we have today. We're negotiating with the tribe," Crist said Tuesday. "I want to be open-minded, and I want us to be innovative."
It was the most directly that Crist has tied more gambling to the state's fiscal salvation.
The federal government has given Florida until Sept. 11 to reach an agreement with the tribe to allow slot machines and possibly other forms of gambling at seven sites, including the Seminole Hard Rock Casino in Tampa.
Talks between Crist's office and the tribe include plans to give the tribe exclusive control over games other than slot machines, such as blackjack and roulette, in return for the state getting a share of the revenue from those games.
Barry Richard, an attorney for the tribe, said federal law requires a compact between the state and the tribe to give the tribe exclusivity - a monopoly on certain forms of gambling or territorial limits on Class III slots.
"Exclusivity could be blackjack, or roulette, and nobody else could have it," Richard said. "There is no decision on any of that."
The Seminole Tribe now has Class II bingo-style machines in which gamblers compete against each other. Class III slots involve betting against the house, often with higher payouts.
Crist said that negotiations with the tribe, while "delicate," lessen the need for the Legislature to make steep cuts in the budget next month.
Some legislators are not likely to be as eager as Crist to plug a budget shortfall with gambling money.
One gambling critic, House Speaker Marco Rubio, has asked the state attorney general if, under federal law, the state must allow games currently banned by state law.
In a July 26 article in Florida Baptist Witness, Rubio warned against relying on gambling money "to cure everything from school-funding shortfalls to rising property taxes."
Rubio called it "morally indefensible" for the state to justify expanded gambling on the grounds that by taxing it the state coffers would benefit.
As Crist sees it, the law requires him to negotiate.
Under federal law, sovereign tribes can offer the same types of gambling allowed by the state. Las Vegas-style slot machines are now legal, with voter approval, at three racetracks and a jai-alai fronton in Broward County.
Crist's predecessor, Jeb Bush, who was ardently opposed to more gambling, refused to negotiate with the tribe, and his brother's administration in Washington did not pressure the state to do so.
But since Crist took office, the Interior Department has stepped up the pressure.
Rubio had no immediate comments Tuesday. But a lawmaker viewed as a strong supporter of expanded gambling, Sen. Steve Geller, D-Hallandale Beach, praised Crist for moving toward an agreement with the Seminole Tribe.
"I agree with the governor that we have to look for new revenue, and I believe that gambling is probably one of the big sources," Geller said. "We're looking for new revenue streams."
So how much money is Crist seeking to get for the state from the tribes' gaming tables? He won't say. But it may not be nearly enough to cover the 10-figure budget gap.
"If I start throwing out numbers that don't come true, I don't want you to be disappointed," Crist said.
Steve Bousquet can be reached at bousquet@sptimes.com or 850 224-7263.
Fast Facts:
Slot machines
- Class II machines, such as the machines at Seminole Hard Rock Casino in Tampa, are electronic bingo machines made to look like true slots. Gamblers compete against one another, and the casino takes a portion of the amount wagered.
- Class III machines are the traditional Las Vegas-style slots. They pit the gambler against the casino. They are more profitable because the casino sets the payout.
Indian gaming revenue*
California $7.7-billion
Connecticut $2.5-billion
Arizona $2.1 billion
Oklahoma $2-billion
Florida $1.6-billion
*2006
[Last modified August 21, 2007, 23:16:45]
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by Edie
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10/13/07 06:21 AM
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Looking for ways to help with taxes, well HELLO!!! Why should the Indians be the only ones reaping in the cash? Let the Dog & Horse tracks have slot machines & for those that don't believe in it, stay away! Crime in this city is already out of hand!!
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by Mary Ann
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09/16/07 10:04 AM
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It's about time to allow the vegas style gambling options at these places! Card games such as 3 card poker and craps table along with the vegas style slots are a must. Let's keep our money in our own state! Go Crist.......and stop procrastinating!
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by BOB
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09/14/07 09:12 PM
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LET,S HOPE CRIST DOES NOT BLOW THIS LIKE HE DID WITH TAXES AND INSURANCE
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by Harold
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09/11/07 11:40 AM
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It is time for the state politicians to get their heads out of the sand. Gambling is alive and well in the State of Florida. The Seminole Tribe does not pay any taxes and therefore the State gets nothing. It is time to make a deal. $$$
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by David
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08/27/07 09:19 PM
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What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in a casino?
The people in the casinos mean it.
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by Marleen
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08/27/07 06:53 PM
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Why do we depend on the limited income of the less fortunate, who hope to win the "big" money? We have reduced the Education program already, hoping that the lottery or gambling will fill the gap. Isn't that unreal?? Especially for those in need?
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by Marie
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08/26/07 10:51 PM
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Re hypocrisy -- I only have one thing to say. It's amazing how crowded the Hard Rock gets on Sunday at noon when church lets out.
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by Bobby
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08/24/07 11:34 AM
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Furthermore, it is either, Florida gets some money or the Federal Gov. gets the money. Nonetheless, the casino will remain. Time to made lemonaide from lemons! Hopefully, achieving a payout from a slot mach. that is worth sitting down for. Level 3!
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by Bobby
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08/24/07 11:32 AM
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When reading the blogs below, it is amazing to see what people think about the casino. My personal breakdown is, if you cannot afford it, dont go. If you are against it, dont go. But do not implement ideas that should reflect my personal choice.
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by NoCasinos
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08/23/07 07:08 PM
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Unfortunatley, gamling attracts crime. Sorry, in my book not a good idea.
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by John
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08/23/07 11:23 AM
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Florida's anti-gaming posture is hypocrisy. Millions of dollars are spent each year promoting the lottery. Past Governors (Chiles & Bush) were guilty of fiscal malfeasance for not securing a compact with the Tribe's. Nations.
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by DR
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08/23/07 07:33 AM
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Mary,gambling will bring in millions of dollars & help the budget,thats obvious.I agree,there are many problems with politicians & how they abuse tax money and toll money(ie-Min. bridge collapse).You can trust a politician as far as you can kick them
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by Mary
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08/22/07 11:56 PM
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BTW - I have no problem with gambling. I have a problem with the Gov. constantly selling us a bill of goods. All this will do is replace money they cut from education. It will NOT enhance it. That is a problem.
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by Mary
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08/22/07 11:54 PM
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DR - Apparently you do not understand sarcasm. You are obviously part of the crowd that the Gov. is hoping to "educate". He is all about PR. He says that we need to make it "attractive" for the people to go along with. If it is good, then why?
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by bobbie
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08/22/07 10:55 PM
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casino boats are taking the money and running. why not make them dockside and make them pay what they owe. they really are just getting away with alot of cash. why is the state turning their heads on this issue
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by birdie
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08/22/07 09:37 PM
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Detroit and New Orleans have gambling and look at the state they are in.
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by Helen
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08/22/07 07:11 PM
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I propose only people with a credit score over 780 are allowed to gamble. The rest can get back to cleaning the gutters and expecting hand outs.
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by JD
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08/22/07 05:49 PM
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I see gambling the same as abortion - both are an adult choice that hurts no one. So if your religion doesn't approve, don't gamble or have an abortion. See how easy that is?
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by Myphuong
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08/22/07 04:32 PM
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I can't wait for Hard Rock (Tampa) to start having the other gambling games. FINALLY!!!
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by gary
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08/22/07 03:52 PM
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What about the off shore gaming boats? Lets have them stay dickside...SunCruz has been in Florida for 15 years..ttax them and let them comppete
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by BadBob
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08/22/07 03:07 PM
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The headline suggests that Charilie "May" bet Florida's budget future on gambling. Try "Will" instead.
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by John
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08/22/07 02:44 PM
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Indian territories are sovereign nations. If they put in more casinos, FL should not forcefully try to stop them. It's like the US trying to stop gambling in China.
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by DR
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08/22/07 02:19 PM
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Joe,you can give a poor man a million dollars and within a year,he's poor again.I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for stupid people too lazy to do constructive things for themselves and beg for handouts for a career.& who cares if the indians profit
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by Joe
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08/22/07 02:19 PM
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Equating increased poverty with gambling is like trying to get me to believe that warning people about the dangers of smoking is going to make smokers quit smoking. Those that want to gamble will,
find a place to gamble, those that don't, won't.
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by Andy
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08/22/07 02:14 PM
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We have legalized Vegas style gambling in Florida now. But they're on those terrible, unsafe, casino ships that go into international waters, where they are completely unregulated, and take state tax money with them - almost like mafia run casinos.
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by Jimmy
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08/22/07 02:11 PM
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Since nobody is *forcing* anybody to go to the casinos, there's nothing regressive or unethical about it.
Personally, I think cigarette taxes are a tax on the poor & stupid too. But thats your choice if you want to smoke.
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by Joe
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08/22/07 02:01 PM
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Been to Vegas lately? More people from Florida there and Biloxi than in most small Florida cities. I believe the state is passing up HUGE amounts of revenue by not having casino gambling in our state outside of tribal land.
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by Cherokee
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08/22/07 01:15 PM
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Not only will the money from casinos help fix the budget, but they also provide jobs. No one is forcing anyone to walk into a casino and play. It's a choice that we all have. Like it or not
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by Fred
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08/22/07 12:22 PM
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Why do the tribes have exclusive rights to rub Casinos. Other states have Casinos on non tribal land and do quite well. Look at Indiana.
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by voxy
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08/22/07 12:13 PM
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now, yall been to vegas lately? Foreclosures all time high !! Looking to the dark side to 'save a state' couldn't be more ridiculous. Does anyone remember why they outlawed gambling in the 20's?? You should research it.
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by Jack
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08/22/07 11:53 AM
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Let's not forget that if Gov. Crist doesn't do anything, the State won't receive anything AT ALL. We should at least get something from this. It's going to happend whether we want it or not. Let's benefit from it!
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by Joe
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08/22/07 11:33 AM
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The ones mainly playing slots are the poor folks who can barely afford their house. Then they lose it, and are worse off. Like Lotto, you play thinking you will hit it big, but end up going in debt. Lotto has been a failure to the education of kids.
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by linda
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08/22/07 10:38 AM
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my mother is 83 try so hard to not lose her house over 4,000.00 dallor tax bill it would be nice if there was some help.i'm in favor of GOV. CRIS PLAN.
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by GH
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08/22/07 10:33 AM
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So it really seems that the only arguement against it is a moral one. Keep your morals, don't go. Your morals are not other's, so let this be an obvious and easy way to help the state. I know many who would go, and no doubt tourists would as well.
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by Carl T
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08/22/07 10:19 AM
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Enough already. This no slots B.S. is beyond lunacy. These idiots fought the lottery and look at how much money it brings in. This is Florida, tourism is our #1 industry. We already have casinos. Get past Jeb and get practical. We need the money!
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