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PIP plan retains the basic system
House GOP leaders seek a way to keep no-fault insurance.
By JENNIFER LIBERTO, Times Staff Writer
Published August 22, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - Florida House Republican leadership released a plan late Tuesday that aims to redo the state's current no-fault auto insurance system, which is otherwise set to expire on Oct. 1.
Initial reaction suggests it's just as controversial as the current system.
On Oct. 1, drivers will no longer have to buy personal injury protection, or PIP, policies, which pay medical benefits for injuries in car crashes no matter who caused them.
The House bill retains the basic no-fault system with a $10,000 injury benefit. But it also caps attorneys' fees and requires PIP clinics to be owned by doctors. It also requires insurers to pay the entire medical benefit without a policyholder co-payment. (Current law says insurers pay 80 percent; policyholders pay 20 percent.)
"I'm not going to tell you it's perfect," said House Whip Ellyn Bogdanoff, who has been working on the legislation all summer. "You're trying to gain a consensus in the Florida House and balancing what constituents are saying, while recognizing we are seeing abuses in the system."
The bill also would give the attorney general power to prosecute insurers that "systematically deny claims," Bogdanoff said.
It's unclear how the Senate will react to the proposal, since few senators had seen it on Tuesday. Senate Insurance Committee Chairman Bill Posey, who was unreachable late Tuesday, has said in the past that he would like to see broader limits on prices that hospitals and clinics charge for services. There are no such price limits in the House proposal, but it does say medical providers can't charge more than what is "usual and customary."
Bogdanoff acknowledged the Senate would likely have some problems with the bill, especially the portion that caps attorneys' fees.
Even so, House leaders said they were confident the proposal was the best they could do at this point.
"This is an opportunity for the Senate to get engaged on the issue or unilaterally decide to sunset PIP," said House Majority Leader Adam Hasner. "PIP going away is not the worst-case scenario. Keeping PIP as it is today is the worst-case scenario."
The House proposal came a few hours after House Democrats had released a letter they wrote to the governor, House speaker and Senate president asking for a one-year extension to the state's current no-fault laws.
"To deal with majorly over-hauling PIP law in this matter is not doing it justice," said Rep. Rick Kriseman, a St. Petersburg attorney who works on PIP cases.
"We should be using the committee process and fully vetting out all the ideas and using the full general session to come to what is ultimately the best law we can come up with."
Kriseman said that he and other lawyers are concerned the attorney fee cap, proposed at $5,000 or three times the amount of the total benefit, would deter attorneys from taking up PIP cases.
And the state's largest auto insurer likely won't be a fan of the legislation. State Farm lobbyist Mark Delegal said State Farm won't support the bill if it doesn't include specific limits on medical prices or language to prevent hospitals and clinics from over-prescribing unnecessary tests.
[Last modified August 21, 2007, 23:23:39]
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by j d
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08/31/07 03:38 PM
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Robin - lawyers are scum? Just get in an accident and take what the insurance company offers you. I'm sure it will be fair. Like a good neighbor, In good hands, right? Grow up. This is the real world. The Geico gicko is not your friend.
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by AntiBogdanoff
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08/27/07 10:20 PM
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Does this mean that all Florida hospitals must be physician owned or just small clinics?
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by Rosy
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08/26/07 12:23 PM
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I think PIP IS NEEDED BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MANY DRIVERS GOING AROUND WITHOUT INSURANCE. IT IS IMP ESPECIALLY IN MIAMI THAT DRIVERS HAVE RESTRICTIONS AND MUST PROVIDE INSURANCE TO GET THEIR TAGS RENEWED. THEY WILL DRVIE WITHOUT RESPONSIBLITY.
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by JJ
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08/22/07 11:43 PM
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If you think pip fraud is bad don't get hurt on the job and have arthritis cause the insurance co. and the court will see in favor of the employer.Compensation insurance also needs fixing.Irust me i know first hand. Goodbye Florida
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by Ernie
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08/22/07 11:40 PM
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Too many of our state lawmakers are in bed with the insurance lobby, but then too many of them are also in bed with the medical industry lobby too. In the middle are the peopleň019s interests. Lets hope they are not wiped out as collateral damage.
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by Chele
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08/22/07 08:30 PM
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When Md's are owners of PIP clinics,there is NO incentive for honesty- I know one who's greed makes
treatment of patients just a $$-a form of obscene income for the MD-he will hackoff any body part to get his hands
on that 1st $10 Grand!
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by ricky
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08/22/07 07:00 PM
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TRUST THE INSURANCE COMPANIES? THE TAXPAYER IN THE END WILL BAILOUT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. WE NEED CITIZEN LOBBYIST NOT THESE SELF ANOITED CORPORATE ACTIVIST. WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CONSUMER.LETS' ASK THE "PEOPLE'S GOVERNOR,MAYBE HE KNOWS???MAYBE NOT
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by Tracy
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08/22/07 06:50 PM
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OK its like this,accidents are just that Accidents.(most of the time).The probability of someone hitting,
hurting me are slim, but the chance of said person having any insurance at all to benefit me is about zero. Guess we'll all need LIABILITY/Un
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by Tom
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08/22/07 06:00 PM
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Getting rid of PIP in Florida would be a disaster for everyone. There will be even more litigation and legitimate injured victims will be the ones who truly suffer. Don't believe that getting rid of PIP will lower your rates.
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by Tom
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08/22/07 05:22 PM
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Robin, if you were seriously injured in an accident, who will be on your side? The insurance company? I don't think so. Don't make such an ignorant statement.
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by Polly
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08/22/07 04:53 PM
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If PIP sunsets, hospitals & injured parties are the ones who will suffer. Currently we have the right to choose what treatment we obtain, if no-fault sunsets, we will ins. comp.'s dictating what, where & when we can seek treatment & if we can treat.
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by Roberto
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08/22/07 04:28 PM
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Are these people worried about fraud or attorney fees? Attorney's only get fees if they WIN. If there is all this fraud going on, then it seems to me that the insurance company would win every case and never have to worry about paying any fees.
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by SCOTT
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08/22/07 04:22 PM
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At least we could understand this article, the last SPT article on PIP totally confused us all. Wonder why we need PIP clinics at all? Don't we already have E/R's and walk in clinics? And at least offer some offset for people that don't need it!
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by John
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08/22/07 02:56 PM
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Get rid of PIP. Most states don't have a mandatory PIP system and have much lower auto insurance rates. Why do I need medical insurance twice?
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by CB
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08/22/07 02:16 PM
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What a shock! State Farm won't support the legislation. Last time I checked, the legislators voted on the laws and not the lobbyists. Just another disgusting example of lobbyists setting legislation.
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by robin
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08/22/07 01:29 PM
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Lawyers are the scum of the earth. Every billboard has a picture of an ambulance chaser on it.
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by Patti
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08/22/07 12:49 PM
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There are too many uninsured drivers injuring people. If I don't have any PIP, who is paying my bills?
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by faye
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08/22/07 12:20 PM
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All this is... is a way to line the pockets of attorneys. Who cares if any one gets maimed in the process, and can't pay their medical bills, right?? whatever!
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by Kevin
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08/22/07 11:46 AM
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If the "system" is good and working but suffers from abuses, then why is the legislature trying to fix the system instead of the abuses? Because of insurance lobby $$$? GOP=Corruption
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by GH
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08/22/07 10:53 AM
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I keep seeing people say that losing PIP is better than keeping the current incarnation which tells me they really believe that they think the $$ spent abusing the system is more than what we would then see in unpaid medical bills. But no numbers???
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by JT
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08/22/07 10:48 AM
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when are we going to address the fact that so many continue to drive without any insurance and espec no liability insurance. as usual, the law abiding get screwed. an uninsured drive rear-ended my daughter & the deputy simply let the guy drive away
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by David
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08/22/07 10:27 AM
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This bill is written by the insurance industry that are clients of Ms. Bogdanoff and her cousin.
Insurance companies do not want lawyers so they can lowball the insureds. That is all this bill accomplishes is more profits for big insurance
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by Sharon
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08/22/07 09:40 AM
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WOW!It's true being a former adjuster; if adjusters were more in tune they could help identify fraud.I work w/PIP currently and ALL of us need to help w/this PIP PROBLEM! We can't let Florida go w/o some type of coverage.What a STATE OF CONFUSION!
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by the Dude
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08/22/07 09:37 AM
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I commend Ellyn for capping attorney fees (she being one herself) - but they're too powerful a lobby. This bill will be laughed at in the Senate.
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by JT
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08/22/07 09:34 AM
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Sunset PIP out and let it RIP. This is nothing more than a scam for the Trial Bar and Quacks to steal from responsbile people who make it a priority to have health insurance. Solve real problem by getting uninsured and illegal aliens off the road.
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by Loretta
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08/22/07 09:23 AM
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$5000 cap on litigation? So what - why can't attorneys live with that? It is well known that they handle PIP/Injury claims to pay their rent - it is easy money.
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by Marcell
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08/22/07 08:27 AM
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Insurers receive the bills from physicians and know exactly where fraud is being committed. It is far more profitable for them to eliminate the system than to adress fraud. Floridians, unfortunately will be the ones to pay the price. PIP works.
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by Neville
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08/22/07 07:40 AM
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Really...State Farm's lobbyist won't support the bill? I wonder what their position is on saving the manatee's? Someone should ask them. If they had intelligent PIP adjustors, maybe they could help sniff out alleged fraud and call the police.
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by david
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08/22/07 07:02 AM
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Bogdanoff is totally out of touch with the PIP problem. She should defer any opinions to someone that at the very least knows how the no fault system works. Must we remind our HOUSE that we live in a free enterprise system.
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