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Democrats reject Florida's primary election
Florida Democrats get a national flogging for the early date. Hold caucuses later or lose all delegates, the party says.
By ADAM C. SMITH, Times Political Editor
Published August 26, 2007
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Karen L. Thurman (right), chair of the Florida Democratic Party, confers with committee member Terrie Brady while testifying before the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee.
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James Roosevelt Jr. (left) and Alexis M. Herman (right), co-chairs of the Democratic National Committees Rules and Bylaws Committee, listen as Karen L. Thurman chair of the Florida Democratic Party testifies in Washington.
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WASHINGTON -- In a move that could give Republicans a big, early leg up in Florida's presidential election, national Democrats voted Saturday to make the state's Jan. 29 presidential primary officially meaningless.
State Democrats must agree within 30 days to run a much smaller-scale, alternative election later in the year or Florida will lose all of its presidential delegates as punishment for violating the Democratic National Committee's schedule for nominating elections.
At a time when leading Republican presidential candidates are aggressively organizing in Florida, the move may discourage Democrats from starting comparable early efforts in Florida.
"We have to enforce our rules, but we don't want to shoot ourselves in the head trying to heal a little cut on the hand," said former DNC chairman Don Fowler of South Carolina, worrying the move could have long-term consequences. "You put the Republicans down there for a couple of months just humming and drumming and shucking and jiving and there's an absence of Democrats, that's going to give them a great advantage."
Then again, an excuse to avoid spending precious campaign resources in Florida might actually be welcomed by some of the Democratic contenders. Winning the nomination requires winning delegates state by state, so why fight hard for a state with no delegates?
"The attractiveness of not having to spend $5- or $10-million in Florida has not gone unnoticed in some quarters," said Allan Katz of Tallahassee, a Barack Obama supporter and the only member of the DNC rules committee to vote with Florida Saturday.
Although Democrats believe they have their best chance in years to win Florida's 27 electoral votes, the rules committee of the DNC said the state can't be allowed to break scheduling rules, lest an avalanche of other states follow suit.
"We have 49 other states. As important as Florida is to our democratic process and our country, there's a fairness issue here," said Alexis Herman of Alabama, former U.S. labor secretary and co-chair of the committee.
"We had other states who had essentially asked for the same thing as Florida and who are watching this process today. Are we going to enforce the rules, or are we just going to have open season on this entire process?"
The DNC schedule allows only Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina to hold caucuses or primaries before Feb. 5. Once Florida lawmakers set the primary for Jan. 29 to give the state more say in the nominations, the DNC wanted Florida Democrats to declare that Jan. 29 primary nonbinding and run their own caucus elections later on.
Impossible, said Florida Democrats, who have hinted a legal fight might ensue.
With a major tax overhaul initiative on the ballot Jan. 29 and a potential multimillion-dollar cost for caucuses, state Democrats said they had no choice but stick with Jan. 29. Democrats tried to stop Florida Republicans from setting the date.
State Democratic officials, including Chairwoman Karen Thurman, argued that staging a few caucus-style elections statewide would "disenfranchise" voters.
"We're asking you for mercy, not judgment," Democratic activist Jon Ausman of Tallahassee told the DNC rules committee. " ... It's like a family when you have a black sheep of the family. What do Republicans do? They cast them out, they throw them out. What do the Democrats do? We bring them in."
The Florida black sheep were cast out nonetheless. Thurman will take another look at holding caucuses to allocate delegates to the presidential candidates, but she was skeptical it would happen.
Florida Republicans are fighting to avoid losing half of their delegates as punishment for their early primary, but that's not stopping the candidates from investing heavily in Florida anyway.
Democratic candidates have visited Florida frequently to raise money and hold rallies. Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich will speak Monday and Tuesday to machinist union members gathered at Disney. Several similar gatherings are planned in coming weeks. That's not the same as mounting real campaign organizations, however.
"Our hope is that in the next 30 days Florida and the DNC can reach an agreement so Florida's delegates can contribute to the nomination contest," an Obama campaign spokeswoman said Saturday.
A Clinton campaign spokesman said: "We intend to compete wherever there's a primary or caucus. But having said that, we intend to let this process work itself out."
Adam C. Smth can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8241.
[Last modified August 25, 2007, 21:20:46]
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by Edna
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08/31/07 11:20 AM
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What the DNC did was asanine & so self-destructive to our party. I urge my fellow Democrats, PLEASE don't play into the Republican's hands: please still go to the polls on 1/29/07 and vote on the very important issues on the ballot. VOTE!
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by Fred
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08/27/07 07:15 PM
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May the St. Pete Times chock on the DNC decision. With leadership like that shown by the Democrats, I'll vote Republican no matter whom they may nominate. Howard Dean sure knows how to lose an election.
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by Blaine
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08/27/07 11:06 AM
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I'm with David below in that it's time to switch to become and Independent, but the problem is your vote won't be recognized in the Primary elections. If I have to I will move to the Republican party. I'm fed up!
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by Brownknows
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08/27/07 09:37 AM
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This is wonderful. These low-lifes not only lack respect for the voters (given the "quality" of the candidates that they field and their misguided ideology), but none for their own party rules.
They really need to crawl back under their rocks.
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by Russ
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08/27/07 12:47 AM
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Looks like Dems are running their party as well as they run congress.
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by Jim
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08/26/07 11:40 PM
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Great! Republicans have a good strategy, let Florida go without Democratic representation.
Glad I'm a republican!!!
Democrats, the party of, well, ah, you know, the people?
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by Denise
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08/26/07 10:44 PM
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I am starting to see why so many young people refuse to vote. What a load of nonsense.Republicrats-two sides of the same coin, and that coin wholly in the pocket of the corporate lobby. Fascism=govt control of people in support of corporations.
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by David
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08/26/07 08:12 PM
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This democrate of 30 Years just got his Independence thanks DNC
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by Big D
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08/26/07 04:58 PM
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I started out rather liberal but eventually became a republican. In al honesty, I recently started to become a little embarrassed about the move. Thank you, DNC, for reminding me that the grass is not always greener on the other side.
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by Lee
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08/26/07 04:55 PM
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Aren't these the same guys that went to the supreme court to make absolute certain that every vote would count?
What a difference an election or two makes.
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by Dave
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08/26/07 04:53 PM
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I thought it was important to the democrats that "every vote count," especially in Florida. I guess that's just when it's convenient. The more I learn about the democrats motives, the more I like not being one.
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by Dave
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08/26/07 04:52 PM
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Just when the republicans feel that the dems might catch up with them, the dems go and shoot themselves in the foot. It was getting a little embarrassing to be a republican, but thanks to the dems penchant for self mutilation, we are redeemed.
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by Jeff
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08/26/07 04:23 PM
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As a rep. I am glad to see this not b/c of the heart break, but so that Floridians can see that the Dems are not good leaders so we don't get stuck with Hilary. She would put our country into a rescission faster than I can type it. Go Mitt!
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by Ron
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08/26/07 04:13 PM
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An early Fl primary gives a better reprensention of how a canidate may do in a nationwide election due to a diverse population. Many candidates may be afraid to run early in Fl.
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by Issywise
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08/26/07 04:05 PM
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Every vote should count & count fully. Fla's legisl. should 1)Require 1-man-1-vote as a fundamental principle in any party to hold a primary here. 2) Certify no electoral college votes for parties that deny 1-man 1-vote. Fla. Dems should lead fight.
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by Tom
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08/26/07 03:04 PM
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For an organization that claims to be the "people's party," they sure do all they can to stifle candidates outside of their control (Howard Dean, Ralph Nader) and punish Florida Dems for what Republican state legislature did with primary date.
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by Tom
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08/26/07 02:45 PM
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A deal could be reached - if the DNC would grant a special one-time waver in this special case and then require that the state change the date to Feb. 5th or later as the rules require. Thus, providing time to create a special election if needed.
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by John
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08/26/07 12:55 PM
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Long time Democrat of 30 years. I am sickened by my parties leadership. When are people like Pelosi/Reid and our so called Democratic leader Dean going to wake up. Democrats, you can kiss Florida goodbye...
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by Tom
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08/26/07 12:29 PM
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A deal could be reached - if the DNC would grant a special one-time waver in this special case and then require that the state change the date to Feb. 5th or later as the rules require. Thus, providing time to create a special election if needed.
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by John B.
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08/26/07 11:28 AM
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Thanks DNC - this makes casting my vote for a Republicn that much easier. What a worthles bunch of power hungry infighters. I haven't seen this much low-brow drama since my high school musical 20 years ago.
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by Tarpley
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08/26/07 11:25 AM
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Just move the vote back a week, "problem" solved.
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by JT
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08/26/07 09:30 AM
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This is good for the Democrats. With all the coruption and underperformance in a Pelosi/Reid congress it is good for the Party to follow the rules.
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by Cindy
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08/26/07 09:14 AM
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What happened to The Democrats past speeches during the recounts (that they demanded) of "Making every vote count"? If you still can't see their shallow, self interests being served, you must have had a piano dropped on your head.
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by Florida Mom
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08/26/07 09:14 AM
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It is official: The DNC has lost its mind and, along with it, access to my checkbook.
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by Doug
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08/26/07 08:40 AM
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Howard Dean just gave the 2008 election to the GOP. I will be changing my registration to Republican so that my vote will count. The 2004 election was stolen, now the 2008 election has been given away by the DNC.
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by Jim
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08/26/07 08:15 AM
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yadayadayada....please put this in laymen's terms for all to understand. Is it right?? that in all fairness to all candidates that all states have their elections on the same day? by having it on the same day, everyone would get a fair vote, right?
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by Ronnie
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08/26/07 08:00 AM
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Who do they think they are? If the DNC want to tick off Florida voters, let them. It's their sucide. Florida decides when we hold our elections, not the DNC!
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by Joe
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08/26/07 07:23 AM
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As a former 20 years plus resident of Palm Beach County, I continue to be amazed that Florida is unable to go through any election cycle without a chaos ensuing. The DNC is right! Karen Thurman is the best you can do. Hello President Mitt!
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by Jon
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08/26/07 06:55 AM
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Once again the DNC seeks to disenfranchise the average voter in Florida, time for me to switch parties.
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by Sal
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08/26/07 05:41 AM
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I love to see the political infighting.
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by Jack
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08/26/07 12:57 AM
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It looks like the Democrat Party just wrote off the State of Florida.
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