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Vick's sin rates as minor on NFL scale
By ERNEST HOOPER, Times Columnist
Published August 28, 2007
Disgraced NFL quarterback Michael Vick deserves to play again. Period. Vick, the suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback who has become the poster child for all that's wrong with dogfighting, finalized his plea deal Monday in a Richmond, Va., federal court. He admitted guilt to one count related to dogfighting conspiracy. Reported accounts suggest Vick, 27, not only participated in dogfighting, but the drowning and electrocution of dogs who did not fight well. I make no excuses for Vick's actions or his incredibly poor judgment. I don't condone dogfighting or try to explain away Vick's involvement as some kind of cultural difference more affluent (i.e. white) people can't understand. To train dogs for such a blood sport is cruel, inhumane, reprehensible and heinous. However, when I think of other athletes convicted of crimes and how they returned to the field, I can't fathom why Vick doesn't deserve the same opportunity. Consider St. Louis Rams defensive end Leonard Little, who in 1998 got behind the wheel of a car while under the influence, ran a red light and killed Sue Gutweiler, a mother of two. For his actions, a Missouri court found Little guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced him to 90 nights in jail as part of a work-release program, 1,000 hours of community service and four years' probation. He also missed eight games in the 1999 season. Sixteen months after the incident, in January 2000, Little helped his team to a Super Bowl victory in Atlanta. In 2004, Little again was arrested for driving while intoxicated and speeding, but was acquitted on the charge of driving under the influence. Last season, he had 13 sacks. Want another example? On the same night Little played for the Rams in that Super Bowl, Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis attended the game, then went out with his entourage. They got in a dispute with two men at a nightclub and the men ended up stabbed to death. Lewis and two friends were charged. Prosecutors, however, presented little evidence tying Lewis to the deaths and eventually he pleaded to obstruction of justice and agreed to testify against the other two defendants, who would go on to be acquitted. The league fined Lewis $250,000 and he missed no playing time. None. Less than a year after the trial, Lewis led the Ravens to a Super Bowl victory here in Tampa. Four years later, sportswriters named Lewis the 2004 defensive player of the year, and he earned accolades for his charitable work. To this day, the slayings remain unsolved. I could give other examples, all with the same ending: each offender receiving a second chance. That's all I'm asking for Vick, whose acts, while despicable, did not result in the loss of human life. If you want to argue that Vick deserves to be punished more severely because of intent, fine. His jail time - Vick will be sentenced in December - combined with his league suspension and loss of endorsements already dwarf the punishment received by Lewis, Little and others. But a lifetime ban? The best result of this senseless tragedy would be a reformed Vick. While Vick the person - not Vick the player - should be the focus going forward, there's no denying football can help in reforming the man. That's all I'm saying.
[Last modified August 27, 2007, 23:47:22]
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by Carl
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09/03/07 10:42 PM
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So, Nicole, does OJ deserve a second chance? Would you let him live with you, or your kids?
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by Carol
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08/31/07 07:28 PM
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Jesus.... Oh I forgive him, but I want him to be forgiven in prison, and when he gets out of prison, he can take his forgiven self to McDonalds and try to get a job. Bann for life. And by the way, the NFL is not losing some awesome, Hall of Fame, QB.
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by Josh
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08/29/07 03:15 PM
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I agree, but remember, Little/Lewis were punished before Goddell became commish. Goddell made clear from the start, he wasnt goint to let the NFL be inundated with thugs the way the NBA has. This is the new NFL - lifetime ban isnt out of the question
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by Steve
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08/28/07 09:55 PM
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So,excuse criminal behavior by pointing to other criminal behavior? Ridiculous.
Strangling dogs,drowning dogs,hanging dogs,what was left out?Burning them alive ?
His actions are the
backdrop of a sadistic psychopath.
Bad judgement? Pathetic.
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by Jesus
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08/28/07 09:50 PM
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"Let he who has not sinned, cast the first stone. If you do not forgive others, our father in heaven will not forgive you.
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by paul
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08/28/07 09:26 PM
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hey ernest, how bout writing an article suggesting don imus should get his old morning show back? he didn't kill any dogs
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by Eric
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08/28/07 08:31 PM
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His sins may rank minor under the old NFL regime but Roger Goodell doesn't apply the same unreasonably lax punishment. "Cruel, inhumane, reprehensible and heinous" acts should warrant at least a two year suspension.
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by John
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08/28/07 05:52 PM
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Being paid millions to play a kid's game is a privledge, not a right. The game would go on just fine w/out Vick, Little, Lewis and anyone else who can't manage to be a millionaire and a responsible citizen.
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by Terri
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08/28/07 04:52 PM
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These animals did not deserve the cruelty they received. And now Vick decides to plead out and become an informant for the government. I just wonder how he will fair in prison once the inmates find out that he is an informant.
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by Jim
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08/28/07 04:15 PM
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Vick should be treated like any other criminal. Once he does his time, it is his right to seek any employment he wants, which includes the NFL. I personally would not hire him, but I'm sure some NFL owner will.
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by Bill
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08/28/07 02:02 PM
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Those of you who bash the president are pure morons.
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by Mellie
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08/28/07 01:42 PM
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Just becuase Vick admitted his guilt, it should not detract from the fact that he did something wrong. IF it violates the code of conduct, there is no reason why he shouldn't be punished for it. Why should we let him go back to making millions?
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by Isaac
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08/28/07 01:26 PM
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Its not standing up for someone to say that the punishment should fit the crime. It called justice.
The statement below about genocide is truly disgusting considering the amount of people who have lived through such atrocities.
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by Rich
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08/28/07 01:13 PM
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NFL players, during the season, should be immune from prosecution. To play the game they NEED to be aggressive and violent and don't need distractions outside the game. If a player is not aggressive enough there goes his gravy train. Let them play
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by Big W
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08/28/07 12:42 PM
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I forgot to brush my teeth this morning. It's George Bush's fault.
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by Holly
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08/28/07 12:12 PM
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Because other players were allowed 2 play again 4 worse crimes is your justification 4 allowing Vick 2 play again, & for millions of dollars? He deserves NOTHING but a jail cell! This is what is wrong with our society and the NFL is a SAD example.
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by Nicole
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08/28/07 11:53 AM
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I agree with you totally. Every American deserves a second chance.
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by Bill
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08/28/07 11:36 AM
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I this Issywise has the right idea. Where are our priorities? We have a president who has committed genocide based on lying to us. Vick seems an angel compared to one who is truly a bad person.
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by Dennis
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08/28/07 11:14 AM
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Regarding the other players. Little would not be playing if it happened under today's NFL code of conduct. As for Lewis, your biased article makes it sound like he was directly involved, of which there is zero evidence, so he wasn't convicted.
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by Dennis
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08/28/07 11:12 AM
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Even not considering the brutal sociopathic act of dogfighting, Vick was involved in not just gambling, but helping to finance and run an illegal gambling ring. Every NFL player knows full well the NFL policy on gambling. He played, now he pays.
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by Paul
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08/28/07 10:52 AM
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Hooper, Did any of the others try to shuck and jive and lie their way out of their problems like Vick. Vick is just sorry he got caught. He was told by family to get out of it and continued to do it. If this never came up he would be still at it now.
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by Marty
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08/28/07 10:50 AM
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You conveniently left out Michael Pittman, who tried to run over his wife and is now the featured linchpin of the Buccaneers' offense.
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by Paul
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08/28/07 10:45 AM
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Hooper, you are an idiot, You don't see a problem with someone that enjoy a "sport" that envolves DROWNING, RAPING, ELECTROCUTION AND BRUTAL FIGHTS AS NOT A PROBLEM. Actions like these from a person shows a problem in the mind that is scary.
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by Paul
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08/28/07 10:37 AM
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Issywise, Your right he just lied to everybody else.
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by Denise
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08/28/07 10:30 AM
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Did Leonard Little drive drunk and kill someone numerous times or did Ray Lewis kill someone numerous times also? Vick did not use poor judgement ONCE, HE did it numerous times, so the dogs didn't fight well,Vick doesnt always play well, drown him!
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by Tina
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08/28/07 10:27 AM
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I agree. Let him reform himself, but make the reform real, like it's never been with many professional athletes (and coaches) who assault women and beat wives and abandon their kids. A little less hero-worship wouldn't be bad for the fans, either.
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by Scott
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08/28/07 10:23 AM
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I wholly agree that what Leonard Little and Ray Lewis did was worse. However, Vick will do his time. Do you think with the new commissioner, that those guys would have had a different career. I think so.
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by Dale
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08/28/07 10:22 AM
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I'm tired of people like u standing up 4 Po Lit'l MV. Letting MV play again would send a completely wrong message to the other would be derelicts of the NFL,MLB,NHL,NBA,AFL,PGA etc. There's a new sheriff in town called Public Opinion and we're fed up
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by Jeremy
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08/28/07 10:21 AM
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Wow..look at all the perfect people..I hope none of you ever do anything wrong..if you do, I hope you fry too, since we're in a world where it's okay to crucify people..any of you people teach your kids forgiveness or are we done with that stuff too?
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by mikey
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08/28/07 10:03 AM
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Great logic Ernest. I thought you were smarter than that. Maybe we should legalize dog fighting and involuntary manslaughter and murder in Atlanta. Keep up the good work Ernest!
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by Jack
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08/28/07 09:56 AM
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Vick's cruelty to these dogs shows a deranged mind. This same behavior in children is viewed by psychologists as sociopathic. He doesn't deserve to play football again; the fans deserve better sportsmen.
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by Gretchen
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08/28/07 09:54 AM
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Ernest- GREAT ARTICLE! It is about time someone stood up & spoke the truth. To brian-Leonard was SEVERELY punished?! What planet are you living on?! You value a dogs' life over a human? You people make me sick! Vick should be allowed to play again.
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by C-G-H
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08/28/07 09:40 AM
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Well said Ernest. Great job summarizing the truth.
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by SHirley
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08/28/07 09:33 AM
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Right on! I heard that!!!
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by Wayne
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08/28/07 09:32 AM
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Wow, such hatefulness. Mom always taught me to hate the ACT not the man. I would only wish that he is able to turn his life around, learn his lesson, and become a good citizen, wishing that he be "FINISHED" is pretty damming.Oh I forgot youre perfect
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