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Words you don't want to hear: 'That's my car'

He paid for a hot car and got a legal mess.

By IVAN PENN, Times Staff Writer
Published September 13, 2007


Gerald Newman bought the 1970 Ford Mustang in this photo from Golden Classics of Clearwater. He later discovered it was stolen and now is out of the car and the $24,000 he spent to buy it. Golden Classics refuses to refund the entire amount of the car because the company's owner says he is a victim, too.
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Add to the dance with used car dealers another disturbing twist: How do you know the car you're buying hasn't been stolen?

Gerald Newman wishes he'd had more details about the 1970 Ford Mustang he bought from Golden Classics of Clearwater before he paid $24,000 for it.

He bought it in December 2004, but it turns out that a thief had stolen it seven years earlier, outside a DoubleTree hotel in Somerset County, N. J.

Police confiscated it from Newman when it was discovered that it was not his.

Now Newman - out his money and the car - wants Golden Classics to give him a full refund, but the car dealer has refused. Golden Classics says it, too, is a victim and is willing to share the loss but not absorb it all.

The dispute, now in Pinellas Circuit Court, highlights the vulnerability consumers have when buying secondhand property. All parties in the case, including the man who sold the car to Golden Classics, are spending thousands in lawyer fees to resolve it.

"I'm the victim," said the 48-year-old Newman of Niagara Falls, Ontario. "I should be refunded in full. They both sold a stolen car. I never sold a stolen car."

Daniel Newcombe, owner of Golden Classics, said Newman has been offered a settlement that would allow him to recover two-thirds of his money. The car dealer would pay $8,000 and the man who sold it to Golden Classics would pay $8,000.

"We're all victims here," said Newcombe, a car dealer for 40 years. "We did everything correctly."

Little protection

Unlike with home purchases, consumers do not get title insurance on their cars. So it leaves consumers vulnerable.

"You don't have a lot of protection," said Bill Newton, executive director of the Florida Consumer Action Network. "It's buyer beware and the reputation of the dealer you're buying from."

Since 2003, Golden Classics has had a dozen complaints filed against it at the Better Business Bureau and three others with the Pinellas County Department of Justice and Consumer Services for advertising, sales practices, refund or exchange issues.

The bureau has given Golden Classics a seller of classic, muscle, antique, collector and exotic cars an "unsatisfactory record" due to unanswered complaints.

Newman was on vacation when he walked into Golden Classics in December 2004 and was captivated by a green 1970 Shelby Mustang.

Philip Sanzone of Staten Island, N.Y., had just brought the car in the same day and traded with Golden Classics for a Chevy Malibu.

Newman decided to ponder the purchase overnight. A car dealer himself, he knew he could not wait long or the car would be gone.

Altered ID number

In Canada he sells used cars, too, but his are less than 5 years old, not classics.

This car would be his own to drive and to use as a showpiece.

The next day he put down a $2,000 deposit. He paid the $22,000 balance when it was delivered to Buffalo, N.Y., and he took it home to Niagara Falls.

Some six months later, in June 2005, he displayed the Mustang at the Carlisle, Pa., All-Ford Nationals, the biggest event for old Ford cars. A man confronted Newman.

"That's my car," Newman recalls the man telling him.

They argued. Police were called.

Officers discovered the car's vehicle identification number had been altered and found the original number in another location on the car.

They confiscated it from Newman and returned it to the rightful owner, who had spent years traveling to car shows, hoping to spot his stolen car.

Now Newman, out $24,000 and the car, can't believe Golden Classics won't refund his money.

Sanzone, who traded the car to Golden Classics, said Newman should seek money from the restitution funds that the man held responsible for the theft has been ordered to pay.

That man, Robert Morris, sold the car to Sanzone, whosaid he didn't know it was stolen.

Morris, 45, was one of 10 defendants charged with operating a New York car theft ring that stole cars and car parts, ran chop shops and produced fraudulent vehicle titles for almost 20 years, including a fraudulent title for the VIN-altered Mustang.

Morris was convicted of mail fraud in connection with the case and sentenced in April to a federal prison term that runs through March 2008. He was ordered to pay $638,350 in restitution.

Who is victim?

Sanzone said Newman should be pursuing some of that money. "It's sad that we got involved in this," Sanzone said. "But there are probably a lot of cars out there ... a lot of stolen cars."

Newcombe, Golden Classics' owner, said his insurance company will not cover the loss because Newman is a dealer and the sale was a dealer-to-dealer transaction, not a sale to a regular consumer.

"We're all victims here," Newcombe said. "I shouldn't have to eat it all. I feel for him. Somebody's got to feel for me."

Newman said he believes Golden Classics is making whatever excuse it can to avoid responsibility. He said he bought the car as a consumer and kept it for personal use.

Carter Andersen, Newman's lawyer, said he does not believe Golden Classics would refund any consumer in a case like this.

"They're not paying Gerry because they don't have to," Anderson said. So they have been hashing out the dispute in court since August 2006. Sanzone and Golden Classics "both made a profit. There's only one victim today."

Times researcher Carolyn Edds contributed to this report. Ivan Penn covers consumer issues and can be reached at ipenn@sptimes.com or 727-892-2332.

Fast facts

Before you buy

Nothing is guaranteed to protect you from buying a used car that turns out to be stolen, but here are some suggestions from the Pinellas Department of Justice and Consumer Services and the Florida Consumer Action Network:

- Run the vehicle identification number through www.carfax.com or a similar service on the Internet.

- Contact the Department of Motor Vehicles to help check whether the title is clear.

- Check the reputation of the car dealer you are doing business with through the Better Business Bureau, consumer protection agencies and friends.

- If you feel you have been wronged, contact your consumer protection agency. In Pinellas, call (727) 464-6200; in Hillsborough call (813) 903-3430.

[Last modified September 13, 2007, 00:48:03]


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by NB 12/08/07 08:09 AM
I am quite sure that there is another Golden Classics in New York City or New Jersey area. This story sounds fishy!
by Art 09/16/07 11:37 AM
If the bank discovered you have passed a bogus bill, you probably won't be charged, but you're out that money no ands, ifs ,or buts about it. Still the dealer should been more careful and the buyer should have wondered why he got a Shelby so cheap
by Don 09/14/07 04:15 PM
I have been in this same business for years and Golden knew they had a stolen car. It is common knowledge to check the hidden VIN on any car like this. Why do you think they sold a 80k car for 24k anyone knows this car is worth way over 24k duh.....
by Jay 09/14/07 01:50 PM
If an insurance claim was paid out then the car belongs to the insurance company.
by Paul 09/14/07 09:41 AM
I wouldda took the 'cuda in the photo behind it. Fords are always trouble.
by Patrick 09/14/07 08:53 AM
This shop has always been in trouble. Anyone remember the "classic" car they sold with a stop sign welded to the bottom? Yeah, they're crooks.
by Gman 09/14/07 03:56 AM
ra, a similar thing happened to me. I found my bike in the pawn shop, except that instead of calling the cops, I got on it and rode home.
by Dee 09/13/07 07:56 PM
I have several classic cars and am always looking for another - Golden Classics is one place I shall not put on my list and I will tell everyone I know about the place. I hope they loose a lot of business for cheating this poor man.
by John 09/13/07 06:37 PM
I was going to look up Golden Classics on my next trip to Florida, but I guess I won't after this.
by ra 09/13/07 04:31 PM
go through a lengthy process the hardly ever works. BTW nothing was done to the pawn shop for buying stolen goods.
by ra 09/13/07 04:30 PM
Brian, a pawn shop had a bike that was stolen from me. After identifying it and informing the police, I had to pay the pawn shop $40 for my stolen bike. I HAD TO PAY THESE A**HOLES $40 FOR MY STOLEN BIKE. The police said it was either that or
by Todd 09/13/07 04:17 PM
Why should Newcombe pay Newman anything? Newman was awarded restitution. He may never collect, but why should Newcombe have to take a $20,000 loss?
by Mike 09/13/07 03:49 PM
What were not hearing is did the guy who had it stolen from him get insurance money ? If he did he should have to give it to Mr.Newman.
by Wes 09/13/07 03:36 PM
U cant hold Golden resp. Classic cars are often restored with parts from other cars. The car is said to have been put-together, and thus have a lesser value. THE STATE(s) Should be held resp. They title it and certify ownership. They do a POOR job!
by r fix 09/13/07 01:46 PM
Donna: the problem with your explorer is the wheels not the tires. there should be a manufacture warrenty on defective wheels. If not, you will just need to buy a new set of wheels to eliminate the loss of tire pressure problem.
by Scott 09/13/07 01:29 PM
Hey, Mary- If the VIN number's been modified, don't you think it might come up as some car that's NOT the one you're buying? There's more than one brand/model in the world...
by confused 09/13/07 01:21 PM
how is Golden or Sanzone out anything? The original owner has his car back. Sanzone has the Malibu, Golden has $24, 000. Anderson is right the only vic is Newman. he got left holding the bag. The proper thing to do is : Golden gives cont
by Mike 09/13/07 01:06 PM
WOW. I was in there last week! Glad I saw this article - I won't be going back.
by Brian 09/13/07 11:29 AM
Should Golden Classics be charged for selling stolen goods? I know that if a Pawn shop sell s stolen property they're held responcable.
by willie 09/13/07 10:44 AM
well if that was me and i brought a 24,000 car and it was stolen i would have went back two the car lot with my baseball bat and did some damge
by Golden stiinks 09/13/07 10:43 AM
Ya know, if I were the owner of Golden Classis, I would back up my sale. Now, people are going to read this ad and NOT buy from them any longer. As a classic dealer, they KNEW where the hidden VIN was. Golden is responsible...
by Mary 09/13/07 08:58 AM
How is checking the VIN in carfax going to help if the VIN has been modified?
by Mel 09/13/07 08:56 AM
If Newcombe (of Golden Classics) has been a car dealer for 40 years, he clearly has the experience and know-how to determine if a car has been stolen. Stop making excuses and pay up.
by Donna 09/13/07 08:37 AM
So, take the fast facts idea of if you feel you have been wronged contact your consumer protection agency, you can drive all over Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties and take time off work. That's all you'll get. Jim Smith is the only one who wins.
by Donna 09/13/07 08:35 AM
The Attorney General's office said that we knew we had a problem so put air in the tires when they are low. Forty thousand dollar Ford Explorer Limited. Head technician of Ford has never heard of a problem with tires losing air.
by Donna 09/13/07 08:33 AM
Yes, by all means waste your time going to the BBB or the Attorney General's office. We bought a forty thousand dollar SUV from Autoway Ford in St Pete that could not hold air in the tires. After numerous repair attempts we tried to use the lemon law
by Tom 09/13/07 08:17 AM
Nice car though.
by Dudley do right 09/13/07 08:16 AM
$24,000 for a Shelby? Even in '04 that price was way low. A Canadian thought he got a real steal, Eh!
by darryl 09/13/07 07:53 AM
phone call from a towing service that they have my jeep in impound.im like my jeep!I told them i sold it.they asked me if i had proof.i lost my paper.and if i didnt pay the im pound they would put a lein on me.I had to pay a lot to sell my car.
by HCB 09/13/07 07:53 AM
Newman is right. Whether or not the others are victims is irrelevant. Golden sold Newman a car it didn't own and, therefore, couldn't sell. The sale never happened legally and Newman got nothing. But Golden got his money.
by darryl 09/13/07 07:47 AM
you have to be careful with these things.I had an old jeep I sold to one of these places that buys junk cars.the jeep ran good.the guy came out. gave me a hundred dollars.signed some papers.he took off.that was that.a few months later.I get a cont...
by Jack 09/13/07 07:28 AM
If the autos VIN had been altered and the title forged, there is little you can do to protect yourself except to learn all the places the original VIN is stamped on the auto and have them checked too. How many of us know where to look?????
by Vic 09/13/07 06:20 AM
WHY didn't Golden Classics' check the @^%$ vin numbers before THEY bought the STOLEN car? THEY should be liable for the WHOLE 22 grand.
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