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Too comfy here
When the Red Sox and Yanks visit, the Trop transforms into a home road game - and some Rays are sick of it.
By MARC TOPKIN, Times Staff Writer
Published September 21, 2007
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When the Red Sox and Yankees come to play at Tropicana Field, more fans tend to come with them. Problem is, they're not rooting for the home team. "I think it's ridiculous," B.J. Upton said. "You're supposed to be the home team and the place is sold out, but it's 98 percent the other team's fans. I think you kind of get used to it, but at the same time it gets old."
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[BRIAN CASSELLA | Times]
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By MARC TOPKIN Times Staff Writer
ST. PETERSBURG
The Trop will be rocking tonight, with tens of thousands of impassioned fans clad in their team colors cheering raucously.
And Scott Kazmir doesn't want to hear it.
The ace left-hander takes the familiar mound against Boston to open one of the most significant series ever played there, and he says the Rays sadly won't enjoy a bit of homefield advantage.
Any progress the Rays have made in closing the gap on AL East bullies Boston and New York hasn't extended to the Tropicana Field stands, which continue to have the look and sound of anything but home when the big boys are in town.
"You know it's going to be nothing but a sea of red when the Red Sox are there and then next week nothing but Yankees fans," Kazmir said. "You go out for the first inning and next thing you know they've got one guy on and already that Red Sox chant is going on.
"That stuff really bothers me. It does. We're a major-league team too. It's tough. It seems like okay, we're just renting-the-place type stuff. I don't know. It's just wrong. It really is."
"I think it's ridiculous," teammate B.J. Upton said. "You're supposed to be the home team and the place is sold out, but it's 98 percent the other team's fans. I think you kind of get used to it, but at the same time it gets old."
What veterans such as ex-Ray Aubrey Huff and Carl Crawford eventually learned to accept about life as a Devil Ray is still disturbing to the young and idealistic stars such as Kazmir, Upton and Delmon Young.
Though all understand that turning the Rays into winners can at least address, if not alleviate the problem - and insist they are not that far from doing so - they find it hard to comprehend how they can get so little support at home.
"We're playing in the Trop and it's more like Fenway than anything," Upton said. "We go in and play at home and it's like a road game at home."
The Rays rank last in the majors in attendance - averaging 16,288, and needing a big final week just to match last season's total - which means the crowds are often small if they are not pro-Red Sox (25,847 average) or pro-Yankees (27,757).
That creates something of a marketing conundrum for the Rays, who choose a broad - "Just get them in the building" - approach with hopes of conversion later.
"The only way it's ever going to change," Young said, "is if we start winning."
And then?
"I guarantee you'll have a lot of these guys switch their caps and jerseys and jump on the bandwagon," Kazmir said. "Hopefully it's only a matter of time."
But in the meantime, getting some support at home now could expedite the process.
"You don't understand how much that would get us amped up, get our adrenaline going and make it seem like we've really got a chance," Kazmir said. "You go to Fenway and see how crazy they get in certain situations - they just know the game, they know when the pressure is on the opposing team, and that's huge. It's huge to be able to have that advantage at your home field like that.
"It would put the pressure on them instead of having to hear "Let's go Red Sox" every time they've got a guy on. You might think that doesn't matter at all, but it really just pumps you up if you've got 30,000 fans behind you waiting to see you whip some butt."
Tonight wouldn't be soon enough.
Marc Topkin can be reached attopkin@sptimes.com View his blog at blogs.tampabay.com/rays.
[Last modified September 21, 2007, 01:13:16]
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by dave
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09/26/07 02:03 PM
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don't feel bad tampa...just ask all the other parks how they deal with it...like camden yards....even the angels...and there contenders...
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by Michael
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09/24/07 04:31 AM
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I hate living in FL; can't wait to move to New England, but my house won't sell! Until then, it's nice to see the Sox play & feel like I'm at a home game. Thanks Rays for playing so poorly that I can now see a Sox game for 21 bucks. Wicked awesome!
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by Cliff
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09/22/07 06:32 PM
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Bandwagons are always pulling up to the Trop. The winning will send a few caps and jerseys to Goodwill, but a major winning streak or hitting/pitching streak can send the Sox/Yanks into the minority again.......Soon
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by Nancy
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09/22/07 12:07 AM
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During our last Trop visit we were surrounded by morons hammering loudly on cowbells for the whole game. Like I said, it was our last game....
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by Josh
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09/21/07 07:57 PM
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When we start winning, all the Sox/Yankees fans will join the bandwagon and claim that they were here when everything started. That angers me more than anything. All Red Sox fans and Yankees fans can go back to Boston/New York and be one of the clone
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by Elizabeth
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09/21/07 05:59 PM
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I am a neutral party. I don't like baseball, and I'm not from Boston or New York. So I say: why complain? At least SOMEBODY is going to the games, and if they're from out of state, we get the tourist dollars. Only the Rays lose, and they would anyway
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by Dave
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09/21/07 05:47 PM
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Tell you what. Let's make it as impossible for Bosox and Yankees fans to get tickets as it is for Packers fans. Are you ready to give up that revenue? Start playing like a team that's something besides a schedule filler and Rays fans will come.
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by Joseph
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09/21/07 04:59 PM
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Living anywhere besides New York and rooting for the Yankees (or you can substitute Boston/Red Sox) is like being an American citizen and rooting for the Russian hockey team in 1980. Just a loser thing to do.
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by Roger
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09/21/07 04:53 PM
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P's comment says it all. Until enough people care about baseball in the Bay area, this will continue. Then the team will move and you won't have Sox or Yankee fans fo blame or kick around any more.
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by Roger
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09/21/07 04:50 PM
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The problem is that Rays fans won't buy tickets for ANY team. Even the ones that they can beat such as the Marlins, A's, or Royals, let alone to watch games against teams that own them like Boston or New York. Until people in the Bay area care enou
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by Brian
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09/21/07 01:21 PM
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I was going to write a letter today, but this hits the point.EXCEPT.you SOX and YANKS fans will not be able to see your beloved team if the RAYS are pulled from here(poor attendance)so why don't you Yanks/Sox fans come out for some other games in TB!
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by Tom
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09/21/07 12:51 PM
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The Sox win one World Series and the fans start acting like the Yankees Fans that they so despise! Have some class Sox fans because the day when the roles are reversed is coming sooner than you think!!
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by Robert
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09/21/07 12:36 PM
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One reason the Rays don't get support, local or otherwise, has less to do with their record per se than the disdain so many feel for management, both past and present; the whole front office operation is synonomous with bush
league.
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by Howard
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09/21/07 12:33 PM
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At least we don't take over the Trop like we do Camden! Seriously, you have a good young team and hopefully management won't slice it up. Best wishes, if not for this weekend!
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by P
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09/21/07 12:29 PM
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We have been twice since the place came into being--only when we were GIVEN tickets. It is more of a novelty event--been twice & that's enough. We would rather do something fun & games aren't fun. Not exactly a family-friendly environment.
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by Joe
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09/21/07 12:01 PM
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The unfortunate result when ownership is satisfied with bumblng Maddoning and states it isn't about "wins and losses". Stu, let me give you a hint: for an MLB team charging MLB prices it IS about wins and losses. Start winning and the rest is solved.
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by JSP
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09/21/07 11:44 AM
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Delmon is right, it WILL change. But right now you can buy tickets in the front row at the Trop for what you pay for bleacher seats at Fenway. And bandwagons are funny, some of the Sox fans will be Rays fans in Rays gear next week ( vs Yankees)
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by Tony
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09/21/07 10:59 AM
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I'm glad to see that the young players aren't just going to accept this as the way it has to be. They understand they need to win, but it's good to see it still makes them mad. The losing culture is changing. These young guys expect to win.
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by webdoyenne
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09/21/07 09:25 AM
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I know I'm not the only Rays fan who hates being at the Trop when the Yankees or Red Sox are here. Yeah, I should "come out and support the team," but the experience is so unpleasant. The Trop needs a "Rays Fans Only" seating section.
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by Raymond
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09/21/07 08:33 AM
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They're still a bunch of losers & it'll make my year when Rays knock them out of 1st place in AL East(how classic is that)& they're all leaving the Trop with smuck faces. There's only a few things I luv more than kicking Sux fans in donkey. GO RAYS!
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by robert
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09/21/07 07:41 AM
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Young is right-only by winning will this change. Blaming the fans is just stupid. Speaking of progress closing the gap with the Yanks-Bosox, yes, we're almost back to where we were in Lou's second year!
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