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Goodbye PIP, hello confusion
Florida's no-fault insurance system dies Monday. But might come back. Or not. Nobody knows.
By JENNIFER LIBERTO and HELEN HUNTLEY, Times Staff Writer
Published September 29, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - If the demise of Florida's no-fault insurance system has you confused, you aren't alone.
Mandatory personal injury protection is set to go away Monday morning, and nobody knows for sure how long those laws will remain off the books.
While lawmakers are scheduled to return to Tallahassee for a special session next week, they will not take up a negotiated deal to extend PIP. That means starting Oct. 1, Florida law will require drivers to carry only property damage auto insurance.
Reached Friday evening, Gov. Charlie Crist said that he plans to review a request he received Friday from House Speaker Marco Rubio, asking him to call a separate special session on auto insurance.
"I would not rule it out," Crist said.
While the only drivers immediately affected by the pocketbook decision to drop PIP coverage are those whose policies are renewed starting Oct. 1, anyone who gets into an accident while no-fault is off the books could feel the effect of PIP's demise. Drivers who cause crashes could be more likely to get sued.
Consumer experts say the only drivers guaranteed to save money as a result of PIP's disappearance are those who drop their injury insurance and never have an accident. Drivers may or may not need replacement coverage, which could end up costing more. Figuring it all out is complicated.
"It's a mess," said Scott Johnson, executive vice president of the Florida Insurance Agents Association. "There isn't any clear direction from the Legislature as far as what a company or agent should do."
Insurers have had to leave PIP coverage in place for customers who renewed before Oct. 1. Yet, many drivers renewing policies after Oct. 1 have already gotten notices giving them the option of dropping PIP. In addition, any driver can call his insurer and cancel PIP coverage as soon as Oct. 1 rolls around.
PIP covers up to $10,000 per person in medical costs regardless of fault in an accident. In a no-fault system, drivers can't be sued unless they seriously injure someone. Even if a driver is sued, the claim cannot include expenses paid through PIP.
Come Monday morning, the no-fault system disappears, and even small accidents may lead to a policy claim or a lawsuit for at-fault drivers.
"Everybody is going to be able to seek recourse from the at-fault party from dollar one for any medical bills," said Cynthia Webster, vice president of Jack Rise Insurance in Largo.
Making sure drivers are adequately protected if PIP disappears permanently means understanding not only car insurance, but also health insurance and any umbrella liability policies. That's why drivers should confer with their agents. Not only are the coverage details complicated, but premiums vary depending on the insurer, location, accident history and even credit rating.
In addition to PIP, drivers may carry other coverages that would pay for accident injuries like medical payments, bodily injury and uninsured motorist protection. Drivers carrying those coverages may not need to make any policy changes in a post-PIP world.
However, premiums could still go up thanks to PIP's demise.
Bill Hoelzle of Dunedin was shocked when he got a recent renewal notice. Although his $161 PIP premium was eliminated, his premiums for bodily injury and uninsured motorist went up a combined $157 with no increase in coverage.
"Looks like the policyholder has gotten the dirty end of the stick once again," he said.
Medical payments coverage, or "med pay," most resembles PIP since it covers drivers and their passengers regardless of fault. Drivers with good medical insurance probably don't need med pay to pay for injuries they sustain. But one in five Floridians has no medical insurance, so if you ever drive a car pool or carry other passengers, you might want the coverage to protect them.
One of the biggest concerns regarding the demise of PIP is the expected increase in uninsured motorists.
Before Florida began aggressive enforcement of the requirement to carry PIP, nearly a third of the state's drivers were uninsured. Starting Monday, drivers will no longer be required to show proof of insurance when stopped by a law enforcement officer for a moving violation. Drivers will have to show proof of insurance only when they register their car or crash their car, said Dave Westberry, deputy executive director of Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.
"The cost that insurance pays for today is going to get shifted to the hospitals, because they'll still be treating people and not getting paid for it, and to the health insurance companies," said Dan Tarantin, chief executive of Direct General Corp., which does business in Florida as Florida No Fault Insurance and Cash Register Insurance.
On Friday, legislative leaders said they would only focus on budget cutting during the special session starting Wednesday, despite the work of PIP negotiators who had hammered out an agreement a week earlier.
Nevertheless, early next week, insurance committees in both chambers are expected to continue work on proposed legislation that would extend PIP.
Times Staff Writer Steve Bousquet contributed to this report.
Fast facts
Insurance checklist
1. Determine your regular renewal date.
2. If your renewal date is soon, contact your insurance agent to discuss coverage options.
3. If you choose to drop personal injury coverage, make sure your medical insurance covers you and your passengers.
4. Please drive carefully.
[Last modified September 28, 2007, 22:48:57]
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by Marcus
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10/01/07 09:55 PM
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No PIP, higher property taxes for hospital and rescue services, etc... But what's new, same old, same old from our legislators. It is called lobby $
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by Gina
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09/30/07 05:49 PM
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Governor: You claim to be the People's Governor. Now is your opportunity to prove it. PIP must be preserved. There is no similar coverage and no way to protect the people from injured uninsured motorists needing treatment but unable to pay. THINK!
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by Kathryn
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09/30/07 04:46 PM
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Once again Our Speaker of the House has chosen to hurt the ones he represents. Speaker Rubio likes to do things behind closed doors like he did with the tax amendment. He did not care that it was a bandaid & would not help but hurt the people of FL.
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by tim
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09/30/07 04:40 PM
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state farm has paid and paid for rubio, pruitt and the governer. now they are passing the baton around so the trail of corruption is harded to follow. these republicans cant chew gum and talk at the same time. They have made a mess out of the state
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by Harold Jones
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09/30/07 04:38 PM
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Property taxs fell like a pebble, no savings on my homeowwners, and now my pip is gone. I dont have health insurance or lost wages insurance. This do nothing legislature and governer are all in Repubs pro-insurance company and special interest.
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by David
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09/30/07 04:07 PM
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PIP has worked over the 30 years by providing insurance coverage for those injured from an auto accident. It is inexpensive and provides fast payment. Without PIP public hospitals will be forced to treat minimal injuries and taxpayers will pay costs
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by nichole
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09/30/07 01:45 AM
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PIP protects everyone! The hospitals, get paid, ambulance, radiologist, er physicians, etc. If there is no PIP and Medicare pays, if you recover for your injuries you will have to pay medicare back dollar for dollar. U lose.
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by Tim
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09/29/07 11:53 PM
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Once again the politicians have let down the people of the state of Florida. Now, everyone is playing dumb and running around sending letters. The State is messed up. Not extending PIP is going to do a lot of harm and no one seems to recognize it.
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by Amanda
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09/29/07 11:16 PM
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RIP PIP my car insurance tripled when I moved to FL! It has at least decreased 30% with these new changes. Yes let those responsible for accidents pay that's how it should be.
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by The Maestro
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09/29/07 08:56 PM
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Ironic Emelio misspelled incompetency. Let's start calling Gov. Crist "Lower Charlie!" He's a one-trick pony - I'll lower your property taxes, lower your property insurance, lower greenhouse gases, etc. Only thing lower are his approval ratings!!!!
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by The Maestro
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09/29/07 08:48 PM
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Emelio's right. Gov. Crist should show more leadership - but by delivering those things he's already promised, like lower property insurance, taxes, and greenhouse gases. If legislators can't agree on a fix for PIP, the Gov. should stay out of it!!!
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by Heather
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09/29/07 07:43 PM
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I do understand for the families that have low income how its going to help them out, but what if they get in an accident, what happens then to them and the other people? The policy holder should have the opption of having PIP. Its rideculess.
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by James
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09/29/07 07:16 PM
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PIP is ripping you off. Research what happened in Colorado when they got rid of PIP. Premiums went down 30%. Out of 50 states, only 4 have PIP. That's because everyone else realized long ago that the only ones that benefit from PIP are lawyers.
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by Peggy Hering
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09/29/07 07:16 PM
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We now see that if we get rid of PIP our insurance rates will go up and we will be without PIP. BIG INSURANCE wins and citizens lose and we are the laughing stock of the nation. If left to a vote in both house PIP will continue. Is democracy dead?
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by Darrell
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09/29/07 06:35 PM
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Get rid of PIP, i lived in Ohio before moving to Florida and they didnt have no fault laws and my limits were three times the coverage for half of what im paying now in Florida, PIP is a joke!!!!
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by Bob
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09/29/07 06:08 PM
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HAs anyone ever figured out how much extra these special sessions cost this cash-strapped state? Laymakers get reimbursed these extra costs from us, and they seem to give em out like candy...
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by john
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09/29/07 02:26 PM
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Democrats are trying to go against the majority of Floridians. They are opposing meaningful property tax relief for the majority of homeowners. It's time to vote these fatcat Democrats out of office.
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by Ann
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09/29/07 02:20 PM
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Clark Alvarado, why would I need to replace my PIP when it expires? I like most Floridians have medical insurance. I will save nearly $160 canceling PIP. Our agent already said we can cancel Oct 1st. PIP is a boondoggle.
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by Doug
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09/29/07 01:59 PM
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Well let's all just wait for the other shoe to drop. All medical insurance is asking if an accident caused an injury so they can sue someone. They might end up refusing to pay us for an accident we are involved in? That could be devastating.
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by Rickster
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09/29/07 01:54 PM
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I have my auto insurance with State Farm, always just carried legal minimum, as any accidents won't be my fault (20 yrs). My monthly premium dropped from $53.40 to $20.10. I plan on resuming PIP or other options for it cause I have no health ins.
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by Kim
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09/29/07 01:31 PM
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A special meeting after PIP expires? That makes sense, not. When are Floridians going to start seeing something beneficial to them. Those who voted for Crist, are you happy yet? He is a big dissapointment to say the least. Make health care affordable
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by Jason
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09/29/07 12:46 PM
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PIP should be cancelled. The fraud by doctor, chiros and attorneys is real and unbelievable.
if it is kept... it MUST have a fee schedule and treatment schedule to eliminate/limit the fraud problem. Right now, it's an open checkbook & a ripoff
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by emilio
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09/29/07 11:44 AM
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the Gov needs to show more leadership. republicans control the house, senate and the gov is a republican. and they still make a mess out of everything. there should have been a special session before october 1, enough incompotency already.
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by Elizabeth
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09/29/07 11:17 AM
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I have Medicare and am retired. I don't need to pay for medical coverage and loss of wages. I DON'T NEED IT! Pure gain for the ins. co's. AND, I WON'T LET PASSENGERS IN MY CAR THAT I THINK WILL SUE ME!
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by Leeza
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09/29/07 11:14 AM
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You know, here in FL, you are always hearing the deadbeats that don't have auto ins. WELL, DUH, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT! I never in my life went without auto ins. until I moved here! It came down to ins. or a roof over my head!
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by Liz
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09/29/07 11:06 AM
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How many retirees in FL are paying PIP for med. coverage (they have M'care). Also PIP includes "loss of wages" (majority of retirees don't need that either). PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PAY FOR INS. THEY DON'T NEED!
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by tracy
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09/29/07 10:33 AM
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give me the choice of haveing pip or not. i already pay enough for auto coverage as is plus i do have life and medical insurances. acording to my agent,why should i pay twice for coverage i already have??
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by Clark Alvarado, State Farm Age
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09/29/07 10:31 AM
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Finally a story that got it right! In general,PIP sun setting will be the worst thing for Floridians! I have not seen any premium saving when an insured replaces the coverages once offered under PIP.
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by Greg
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09/29/07 10:18 AM
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It is a shame that one industry Auto/Home Insurance companies continue to gain while Floridians suffer. Drop Homeowners, drop PIP increase profits. Our useless legislature should be ashamed. ALL OF THEM. Except Senator Posey. A brillant man.
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by John
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09/29/07 09:36 AM
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Fact is NOBODY in the Legislature cares about us. They only care about keeping their cushy job. How many of them have citizens?
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by wally
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09/29/07 08:37 AM
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well if you don`t know what you are doing then don`t do it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by geezer
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09/29/07 08:16 AM
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God forbid our legislators should handle 2 things at once! What? You expect that they actually work for us? Get real!
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by chris
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09/29/07 06:52 AM
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It is completely unacceptable to me that our Governor would not take up PIP, especially given the agreement already worked out between the house and senate. If our Governor does not step up, it shows his true intentions.
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by hank
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09/29/07 06:41 AM
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lets face it our legislature answers only to the insurance lobby after their shoddy performance this year just dont vote for any incumbents...they don t represent us any more and as far as gov crist is concerned he is a big disappointment/whata waste
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by felix
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09/29/07 05:51 AM
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Well it was nice to see that fellow save $161 for dropping PIP then getting an increase for $157 on his other insurance. A $4 dollar savings is big,it will soon be the price for a gallon of gas. Bait and Switch, Smoke and Mirrors. JUST KEEP SMILING!
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