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Senate reveals final tax proposal
The state Legislature must quickly agree on property taxes in order to meet Tuesday's deadline.
By ALEX LEARY, Times Staff Writer
Published October 29, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - With just one day left to pass a property tax plan, lawmakers returning this morning must consider a stripped down, take-it-or-leave-it proposal from the Senate.
Released Sunday afternoon, the Senate plan calls for a 10 percent cap on annual assessments for businesses and second homes, not the 5 percent the House demanded. And the cap would not apply to property taxes that fund public schools.
The reworked proposal would also allow people to carry accrued Save Our Homes benefits when they move, and it would double the $25,000 homestead exemption - popular items that Senate leaders and Gov. Charlie Crist consider critical in gaining voter approval in January.
"I firmly believe that we have a proposed constitutional amendment that provides tax relief and reform; that minimizes the negative impact on education funding; and that will be understandable and acceptable to voters this January," Senate President Ken Pruitt, R-Port St. Lucie, wrote in a memo.
But whether any plan goes to voters on Jan. 29 depends on what happens today, the final day of a special session that began with agreement between both chambers but rapidly morphed into a standoff over how best to cut taxes.
"We have one day to bring this in to a landing," said state Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach. "I just hope we don't crash."
First, the Senate must pass its new plan. Then the House would have to choose the plan over its own proposal, which it adopted a week ago.
Crist told the St. Petersburg Times on Sunday that he is confident in a resolution: "I think it's looking good." He has suggested that lawmakers could extend the session into Tuesday, the deadline for getting ballot language to the Secretary of State's Office.
But the Senate has no desire to stretch things out. "Monday is it," said Sen. Dan Webster, the Winter Garden Republican who fashioned the new deal.
House Speaker Marco Rubio, R-Miami, who made no public comment on the Senate plan Sunday, is now forced into a difficult position of accepting the proposal or refusing it and sharing blame with lawmakers in both chambers over having failed to cut taxes yet again.
A previous plan, passed in June, was thrown off the ballot after a judge ruled it confusing and misleading. (The Legislature has already passed a plan, which did not need voter approval, that caps property tax revenue collections of local governments.)
"The Senate played this very smart," said Rep. Jack Seiler, D-Wilton Manors. "I think there will be some grumbling, but at the end of day, I think the House will take it. If we leave Tallahassee without passing some tax reform and relief, we have failed Floridians. You can't spin it any differently."
Senate leaders spent the past several days analyzing the House plan and trying to work up a new version. Mostly, they stuck to their own plan while discarding some elements both chambers wanted.
Gone are provisions for low-income seniors, first-time home buyers and waterfront commercial property. Also left out: A proposal that would have made it easier for businesses to challenge property assessments. The cuts reflected political calculations - a poll last week showed the new home buyer break was not popular - and a desire to streamline the ballot question.
"What the governor kept saying was very helpful: 'Keep it simple.' We have put together a moderate, responsible plan," said Sen. Steve Geller, the top Democrat who was involved in crafting the new deal over the weekend.
Geller predicted "overwhelming" support from both parties in the Senate. Putting a constitutional amendment on the January ballot requires three-fourths approval in both chambers, so Democratic support is vital.
Then the plan must please 60 percent of voters in a statewide referendum, a high bar for even the best of proposals.
While both sides agree on Save Our Homes "portability," the House offered a homestead exemption equal to 40 percent of the median home value in a given county. But the Senate considered the plan too confusing and said it could create inequities among homeowners who live near each other but in different counties, among other problems.
Polls show doubling the $25,000 homestead exemption is overwhelmingly popular, and the Senate wants to use that as a vehicle for passing the overall plan. In practice, the new break will be closer to $15,000, however, because it does not apply to school taxes, which account for about 40 percent of an overall tax bill.
Public schools have played a central role in the tax dispute. The House's 5 percent cap would apply to school taxes and would have taken up to $6.2-billion from schools over a decade. The Senate had initially rejected a cap over myriad concerns, but Webster said including the measure was necessary to attract House support.
"There's a House, a Senate and the public," he said. "In the end, you have to please them all."
The 10 percent Senate cap would not apply to schools and would sunset after 10 years. "This doesn't provide the protection businesses need," said Rep. Ellyn Bogdanoff, R-Fort Lauderdale.
The cap would save businesses and snowbirds an estimated $1.1-billion over four years, according to a Senate analysis released Sunday. And business interests have argued for a level of predictability a cap provides, as much as they have called for lower taxes.
"We'd love to see the cap as low as possible," said David Daniel, a lobbyist for the Florida Chamber of Commerce. "But I'm excited that the Senate is coming to the table on this issue."
Times staff writer Jennifer Liberto contributed to this report.
Fast facts
What does it do?
The Florida Senate's new property tax cut proposal would:
1. Make Save Our Homes portable. Owners can use the benefit, up to $500,000, when they buy a new home. People who moved in 2007 could get the benefit retroactively.
2. Double the $25,000 homestead exemption.
3. Cap annual nonhomestead property assessments at 10 percent. It does not apply to school taxes.
4. Exempt $25,000 in tangible personal property.
Source: Florida Senate
[Last modified October 28, 2007, 22:56:22]
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by Denise
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11/01/07 11:51 AM
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Let me get this straight. Right now i have $25,000 Homestead Ex, the proposal would increase it to $50,000, so I would be paying taxes on $120000 instead of $170000, that my taxes are garranteed to not increase by more than 3%. So what is wrong?
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by Harry
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10/30/07 10:17 AM
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$2000 / year in taxes is fair. Anything more is confiscatory. Its rent to the Government. THAT'S unconstitutional.
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by Teresa
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10/30/07 06:53 AM
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Is there anyway in this new tax plan that long time home owner's will lose there SOA.
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by Tom
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10/29/07 08:02 PM
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Save our homes is the main problem that we have this disparity. New owners and younger residents have to subsidize those who are receiving the SOH benefit and not paying their fair share. Save our homes is a joke.
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by tracy
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10/29/07 02:00 PM
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the young home owners cant use the portability either if they are new to the area with high taxes.why should they move and take large taxes along to the next home. its just another way to prolong the high taxes we have. who in florida would vote this
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by Jon
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10/29/07 01:32 PM
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Back to square one. Scrap property taxes, raise all state revenue from sales tax. Leave countys and citys to do whatever they want, no sharing.
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by chris
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10/29/07 01:22 PM
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Florida is not California! Florida has the 37th lowest tax burden in the U.S. so get over it. I would be loathe to emulate California after the repeated fiscal crises there over the past decade. A set percentage with no deductions is the way to go.
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by DianaJ
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10/29/07 12:46 PM
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to Bonnie: No, a $200K house in Tampa would be taxed higher. But, we don't pay state income tax, either. On a $40K a year income, that would be about a $2400 income tax. Add your $2500 property tax and $2400 income tax, you are paying more-in CA.
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by Don
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10/29/07 12:45 PM
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The senate just does not get it, they all need to be voted out. I will not be voting for this proposal.
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by Bonnie
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10/29/07 11:54 AM
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If you want to save your homes from foreclosure you must open up your markets to snowbirders. 10% increase in taxes each year will kill a deal! In CA. 200K would be taxed $2,500 per year. Is that what your house is taxed for the same priced house?
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by JayPee
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10/29/07 10:47 AM
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"Kalifornia?" I want nothing that resembles 'anything' that goes on there. Why do you think they gone down the "Proposition XX" road so many times. This is the first time that I can recall Florida voters ever being so close to a Kalifornia crisis.
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by Chuck
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10/29/07 10:40 AM
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This will not pass. It was all a big waste of time. Trust me.
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by Donna
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10/29/07 09:19 AM
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This whole tax system stinks! Taxes should be based on the value of your home. Get rid of Homestead. The more your house is worth, the more you pay. Why should rich Floridians have a 3% cap? How is that fair?
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by lynne
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10/29/07 09:17 AM
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Shame on the Senate! The citizens can fix it!
http://cutpropertytaxesnow.com
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by Homeowner
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10/29/07 08:55 AM
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Hello, anybody out there?...Previous commenters, the 3% and 10% are caps on how much your taxes can increase each year, not savings. Lower is better...
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by doug
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10/29/07 08:50 AM
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this plan stinks,i will not be voting for it in jan. GREAT job to the senate and house.i will note be voting for them either.
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by Scott
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10/29/07 08:34 AM
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Whatever... the rich are getting taxed more again. It should be equal-% across the board. In California, you pay about 10K on 1 million dollar home as opposed to 25 thousand here. Old Floridians can no longer give there homes to their children.
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by tracy
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10/29/07 08:27 AM
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the old timers in my neighborhood are not planning to move so portability doesnt mean a thing to them and i cant afford to live here unless they do more than what they came up with.75% or a big no vote from me.moving sure looks better all the time.
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by Anne
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10/29/07 08:22 AM
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One company that doesn't pay property tax is Wal Mart. They have subsidiaries in Cayman Islands who own the land- therefore, no taxes. If you want to see what this new tax plan will do to Florida, research TABOR in Colorado.
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by gg
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10/29/07 08:19 AM
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Real Estate is in the tank. Folks are losing their homes. We need to put a base under the falling prices. Rubio and the House get it. Vote this down.
Rubio's plan is better.
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by Joanne
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10/29/07 08:08 AM
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I would LOVE to sell my home for what the assessor has placed as the value. They keep the values high, raise the mill rate--so what does it matter what "cap" is placed? Maybe Smith will buy my Condo???
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by Eugene
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10/29/07 07:57 AM
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I think the 5% proposed by the House is more equitable, but 10% is better than nothing. Bill & Pete below, seem to be the same person who don't have a clue what would happen if non-homesteaders did not get a break. Snowbirds are seniors too.
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by Jacque
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10/29/07 07:56 AM
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Too much time was spent on trying to save Save Our Homes and votes. It a shame that our governor and legislators are not doing what's best for Florida economy. The choices now will cost us more in the future. Vote wisely next election.
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by James
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10/29/07 07:38 AM
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Just stop taxing our homes PERIOD!! Raise revenue any other way. Not allowing people to outright OWN their homes is a disgrace in a supposedly "Free" country. Paying what amounts to as rent to the government, is so wrong on so many levels.
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by Ronnie
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10/29/07 07:31 AM
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My vote is NO. This does nothing. The Senate will be seen as the one who is stone walling real tax reform. Time to vote them all out!
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by geezer
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10/29/07 06:56 AM
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California property taxes are assessed on hugely overinflated prices. My sisters house about equal in size to mine is worth 7 times mine on the market! I do not want to pay her tax bill!
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by Bill
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10/29/07 06:53 AM
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Sounds like homeowners get screwed again! Businesses and second home owners get 10% while homeowners get only 3% and we don't make money on our home, but they do. Another tax to help out the rich and screw the poor! Screw the senior on a fixed income
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by Pete
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10/29/07 06:50 AM
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Nice work guy the homeowners get screwed again. Now it's big breaks for businesses who make money from their property.10% Give me a break Homeowners get 3% snowbirds get 10% what is wrong with this picture? We get screwed again
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by Richard Charles Antolinez
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10/29/07 03:25 AM
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Real Reform Right now, Sign all the Petitions now!
www.floridaballotinitiative.com
RICHARD CHARLES ANTOLINEZ
CHAIRMAN
Pd. Pol. Adv. paid for by the Florida Ballot Initiative, Mailing Address: P.O. BOX 7256, Jupiter, Florida, 33468
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by Dale
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10/29/07 03:05 AM
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We need Major tax reform, not this proposal! Foreclosures are bound to skyrocket, high unemployment, stagnant stock exchange, you see it effects all economic classes! Rubio has a handle on it, we need to emulate California's tax system!
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