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Property tax cut emerges from fight
Now at least 60 percent of voters must approve the tax package.
By ALEX LEARY, JENNIFER LIBERTO and STEVE BOUSQUET, Times Staff Writers
Published October 30, 2007
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Rep. Dean Cannon, R-Winter Park, lead negotiator on a package many in the House disliked, claps Monday as a tax plan passes the House 97-18. Voters will see it on the Jan. 29 ballot. Next to Cannon are Reps. Ellyn Bogdanoff and Dorothy Hukill.
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Celebrating are, from left, Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp, Senate President Ken Pruitt, Gov. Charlie Crist, and Sen. Daniel Webster. Speaker Marco Rubio and other House leaders didn't join them.
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HOW THEY VOTED:
A "yes" vote was in favor of the property tax proposal.
Senate Yes: Victor Crist, R-Tampa; Charlie Dean, R-Inverness; Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland; Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey; Charlie Justice, D-St. Petersburg; Dennis Jones, R-Seminole; Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa; Ronda Storms, R-Valrico.
House Yes: Rep. Kevin Ambler, R-Lutz; Rep. Tom Anderson, R-Dunedin; Rep. Faye Culp, R-Tampa; Rep. Jim Frishe, R-St. Petersburg; Rep. Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton; Rep. Rich Glorioso, R-Plant City; Rep. Ed Hooper, R-Clearwater; Rep. Ed Homan, R-Tampa; Rep. Bill Heller, D-St. Petersburg; Rep. John Legg, R-Port Richey; Rep. Janet Long, D-Seminole; Rep. Seth McKeel, R-Lakeland; Rep. Peter Nehr, R-Tarpon Springs; Rep. Ron Reagan, R-Bradenton; Rep. Betty Reed, D-Tampa; Rep. Robert Schenck, R-Spring Hill; Rep. Ron Schultz, R-Homosassa; Rep. Trey Traviesa, R-Tampa; Rep. Will Weatherford, R, Zephyrhills.
No: Rep. Rick Kriseman, D-St. Petersburg; and Rep. Frank Peterman, D-St. Petersburg.
Absent: Rep. Michael Scioti, D-Tampa.
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TALLAHASSEE - After several failed attempts, the Legislature on Monday voted to put a property tax cut plan on the January ballot that would save taxpayers $12.4-billion over five years.
The House's 97-18 vote of approval was more a capitulation to the Senate than it was an embrace of the final package. With a deadline for final action looming and House and Senate leaders at loggerheads, the Senate rushed the plan through its chamber earlier in the day and then left town to avoid further negotiation.
"Quite frankly, we may have seen the best that this institution - the House and Senate together - can do on this," said an openly disappointed House Speaker Marco Rubio, R-Miami.
Now, Florida voters will consider a Jan. 29 referendum on a property tax plan with three major components: doubling the $25,000 homestead exemption, at an estimated average savings of $240 a year; allowing people to keep their accrued Save Our Homes benefits when they move; and imposing a 10 percent annual cap on nonhomestead assessments.
For the changes to become law, at least 60 percent of voters must approve.
Left out of the final package were provisions that House members had sought, including ones offering targeted tax breaks for low-income seniors and first-time home buyers.
"I'm extremely frustrated," said Rep. Frank Attkisson, R-Kissimmee. He said the final deal was narrowly written by senators who "do not feel there's a real property tax issue in this state."
The vote came after a day of anger and disappointment in the House, which had sought deeper cuts and blamed the Senate for tossing an all-or-nothing proposal their way with little time to analyze it and no chance to change it.
"It's terrible to make a decision this way, it's like playing games with people's homes," said Minority Leader Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, who voted against the proposal.
Crist's campaign
The final package was crafted largely by Senate Majority Leader Daniel Webster, R-Winter Garden, and staff members who sought to offer tax relief without cutting too deeply into schools and other programs. The plan, Webster said, gives the public "the opportunity to vote for real tax relief."
Yet, despite those goals, teachers unions said they intend to fight public approval of the proposal.
The package is a tenuous victory for Gov. Charlie Crist, who campaigned on doubling the homestead exemption and Save Our Homes portability and made the two changes a major part of his inaugural address in January.
It also marks a sharp departure from the tax plan lawmakers approved during their last special session, in June. That package would have phased out Save Our Homes; this one deepens its roots by eliminating the major complaint of Floridians, that you can't take it with you.
With the House vote looking uncertain throughout the day, Crist dispatched Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp, a former House member, to work the chamber, going from desk to desk to shore up support. Crist took to the phone, calling members at their desks.
Rep. Jack Seiler, D-Wilton Manors, spoke to the governor three times via cell phone. "There was a huge commitment that he was going to work to hold harmless public education," said Seiler, who was among 24 Democrats who voted for the package.
Crist was surrounded by Republican senators at an evening news conference that not one House leader attended - underscoring the sense that the result was a Senate-only product. "So much joy here, because the people have won," Crist said. "They were patient with us but we brought it home."
Year of debate
The House vote came more than six hours after senators went home and ended nearly a year of emotional public hearings and promises by Crist and lawmakers to offer voters a chance to cut taxes. But they failed to agree on a plan in the regular spring session, and a super homestead exemption proposal that came out of a special session in June was struck down by a judge as misleading.
That led to a second special session, which ended Monday. Lawmakers faced a hard deadline of Tuesday for approving a tax plan in time to get it on the Jan. 29 ballot.
The Senate one-upped the House, passing its scaled-down proposal 35-4 and recessing Monday afternoon. That was Senate President Ken Pruitt's final snub of Rubio.
By the time the House met at 1:30 p.m., many senators were in their cars or catching flights.
A week earlier, it was Rubio who antagonized the Senate by seeking to add new tax cut provisions after a deal between the chambers had been struck. Rubio wanted a 5 percent assessment cap on nonhomestead property.
Still, House members were stung by Monday's events.
"To come back at the last minute with this nonsense is a slap in my face," said Rep. Julio Robaina, R-Miami. "It's insulting to the body and it should be insulting to everybody in the state of Florida."
But he and most others voted yes anyway.
"At the end of the day, this is some tax relief," said Rep. Jim Frishe, R-St. Petersburg. "It's not what I want, but it is tax relief."
The Senate limited its package to issues that enjoy widespread popular support. A poll of 1,025 voters two weeks ago by Quinnipiac University showed 74 percent favor doubling the homestead exemption, and 57 percent support portability under the Save Our Homes assessment cap.
But even some Republicans who voted for it said it was too little. "How do I feel battered, let me count the ways," said Sen. Ronda Storms, R-Valrico. "I think some of us, or really just this freshman senator, feels battered, because things that we tried to fight for, aren't there."
"We all know that we don't get everything we want," said Sen. Nan Rich, D-Weston. "When I look at the total balance today, I think we have hit a balance."
Times staff writer Letitia Stein contributed to this report.
[Last modified October 30, 2007, 00:20:15]
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by Afred
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02/12/08 04:36 PM
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I like everyones comments! Hidden tax is only the beginning. The 40% increase in 3 year and 10% decrease in 1 signing of the pen. What do they take us for retail shoppers. Mark it up to give us a discount to buy what are we buying? send them packing!
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by Dave
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12/31/07 09:36 AM
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I don't understand the vote. Is it a 'yes or no' type vote? If I vote yes what can we expect to get. Likewise, if it's a no what to expect. I have not been able to read a clear concise version of this proposed action. Someone, please make it simple.
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by Joe
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12/02/07 11:57 AM
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In California, property taxes were limited/capped at 1% of appraised property value. When a home was sold, the new value of that home would then be taxed at 1% of its' sale value. My CA taxes in 2003 were $1700 based on $170k (newly) appraised value.
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by Joe
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12/02/07 11:50 AM
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In the California taxpayer revolt of 1978, voters joined Senator Howard Jarvis in cutting property taxes by 57 percent. This was seen as the birth of a taxpayer's revolt against high taxes and excessive government spending. DO IT NOW FLORIDA!
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by Gerry
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11/23/07 10:14 AM
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My taxes jumped from $1500.00 to $3500.00 in the last 3 years. They need to come up with a solution for all property owners or better yet user fees for all.
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by Joyce
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11/06/07 12:23 AM
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I just got my new tax bill. It went up $500.00. Up $2000.00 in 2 years. There is no gift in this new tax bill. They must think we are fools. Vote them out!!!!
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by DRA
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11/01/07 08:59 AM
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"the Senate rushed the plan through its chamber earlier in the day and then left town to avoid further negotiation."
The cowards left town, does that say something about our Senate? Remember that at voting time.
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by DRA
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11/01/07 08:51 AM
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Citizens of Florida - GET YOUR TEA BAGS READY! We need a "TAX REVOLT NOW". Tallahassee you really need to pay attention.
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by Jim
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10/31/07 09:49 PM
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Gov Crist is 0 for 2 now. "Dropping property taxes like a rock"- laughing out loud. What an idiot we have in the Governor's mansion.
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by Sherry
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10/31/07 08:58 AM
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RUBIO FOR GOVENOR. We need new blood in Tallahassee. Greedy old school representatives need to go.
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by Mike D
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10/31/07 08:45 AM
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Don't vote NO, don't vote yes, ignore, ignore, ignore to show displeasure. Remember election time is coming soon.
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by Alex
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10/31/07 08:10 AM
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No, No, No
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by Tammy
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10/30/07 10:30 PM
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Please go to web site below and sign and send in petitons - citizens initiative to reduce taxes, insurance, gas prices etc
www.floridaballotinitiative.com
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by John
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10/30/07 09:31 PM
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WOW, those most hurt by property taxes get NOTHING!!!! If you bought a house after 2002 you will continue to pay WAY HIGHER than your neighbors, ENJOY. Have a business, well PAY, you get nothing. Were you already protected by SOH, well PAY LESS.
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by Crapola
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10/30/07 08:49 PM
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I would have voted yes for the previous admendment as it gave a choice and helped new buyers. This is crap. I am also sick of the throw it all on one admendment process. Yes to increased homestead, no to SOH portability, yes to helping businesses.
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by Gloucesterman
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10/30/07 08:18 PM
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Q: What is 10 Florida politions and 10 tax people in the bottom of the Gulf? A: A good start. I'm outa here .There are better places.I just feel hate for all of you s. o. b's.Florida needs better manegement.I would'nt laugh if I where you Charly.
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by Nancy
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10/30/07 07:35 PM
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I see Florida becoming a Ghost State, as people will be moving to pther state qhere taxes are cheaper and fair. VOTE THEM OUT
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by Dave
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10/30/07 05:55 PM
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Why does it take so many hours before comments are posted?
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by sharon
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10/30/07 05:28 PM
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Last year taxes on my land share in a mobile home park were $800 so I applied for Homestead Exemption only to have them up my tax assesment to nearly twice as much so all I'm saving is $200. Get Real Tallahassee!!!! "We the people" speak.
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by lea
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10/30/07 04:47 PM
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I am ashamed that I voted for Charlie Christ, will we ever get an honest politician?? To all of you politician out there, wait until the election, you will be finding new jobs, guaranteed!!!
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by Eugene
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10/30/07 03:56 PM
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I didn't believe it until now but the St. Pete Times DOES print only what it agrees with--none of my comments are in print, and they were not rude either.
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by Eric
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10/30/07 03:42 PM
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And thank you Reps Kriseman and Peterman for voting no. Too bad your colleagues don't realize that you can't treat cancer with aspirin.
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by Eric
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10/30/07 03:24 PM
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Legislators: You've accomplished nothing. Fix the tax burden disparaties. Fix the insurance/health care costs that elevate municipalities budgets so that they can lower millages. As long as my neighbor pays 20% of what I pay, problem not solved.
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by Not Retired
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10/30/07 02:22 PM
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Don't forget that the people in Washington need there retirement plans funded Clinton needs to cut our Soc Sec raise the taxes to fund the gov. pensions and give awaysXXXXXXXXXXX
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by Skeet
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10/30/07 02:01 PM
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These guys are absolute clowns. They do nothing and pat themselves on the back for it. If you want to send a message send everylast one of them packing. They need to remember who the "represent"!
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by Dave
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10/30/07 01:21 PM
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People need to vote "no" on this and send it back. Make the legislature come up with real tax reform!
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by Edward
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10/30/07 01:17 PM
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I agree with Mike. I want to see the actual legislation. These reporters do not bother to explain where any of their figures come from. I want the truth, not political spin!
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by Don
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10/30/07 01:16 PM
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I am so frustrated with the Senate, they just don't understand how they are hurting the people and the State of Florida. I will not support or vote for this plan and I will vote to replace my Senator every chance I get.
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by Edward
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10/30/07 01:11 PM
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I am sure this will not be published but the current millage rate in Saint Petersburg is .0211719. If I multiply this by the 25000 increase in homestead exemption I get 529.30 NOT 240 as reported. Where does the 240 figure come from?
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by john
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10/30/07 12:54 PM
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wasted a lot of time. make it simple go with a 10% sales tax. and reduce the over taxed non homestead tax on income and second homes. are reps wasted a lot of time again. they did not listen to us.
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by pam
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10/30/07 12:44 PM
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WIth all the extra time in Tallahassee, maybe the representatives could DONATE SOME OF THIER SALARIES to the State!!!
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by Mike
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10/30/07 12:37 PM
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Does anyone know where to access a copy of the referendum? I would like to read the entire document, not just this writers version.
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by Sean
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10/30/07 12:34 PM
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This is a terrible plan it makes the inequities worse by further imbeding Save our homes, and hurts schools. This is exactly the opposit of what they should be doing. vote NO!
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by Edward
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10/30/07 12:30 PM
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I can only assume that the St. Pete Times is not interested in reporting the truth since it has not published either of my previous two comments questioning the $240 figure. Do the math!
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by Rudolph
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10/30/07 12:26 PM
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I just moved from a condo in St. Pete to a home in Lake City. Since the move happened in 2007, how am I going to take the save our homes cap with me for 2008? Lake City has already culled out certain cost from taxes to defeat tax reform initiatives
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