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Rays on the bay?

The $450-million project hinges on the sale of Tropicana Field and public financing.

By AARON SHAROCKMAN and MARC TOPKIN, Times Staff Writers
Published November 10, 2007


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[Skip O'Rourke | Times]
Progress Energy Park sits on St. Petersburg's downtown waterfront, just to the south of the Mahaffey Theater, seen at lower left. Tropicana Field, the Rays' current home, can be seen in the background.
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Rays on the bay?

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A new 35,000-seat stadium at the 10-acre Progress Energy Park property would be smaller than Tropicana Field, where the Rays opened in 1998 to a crowd of 45,369. [Source: Google Earth]
[C. Gary, Ron Brackett | Times art]

Progress Energy Park
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ST. PETERSBURG -- The Tampa Bay Rays have developed a bold plan to build a $450-million downtown stadium that would give fans waterfront views and protection from rain.

The stadium, to be built on the site of Al Lang Field, would seat about 35,000 and could open as early as 2012. Hitters there would have a chance to send the ball into the bay.

Financing is still being worked out, but a primary source would be proceeds of the sale of the Tropicana Field site to a developer who would build a large retail/residential complex there. The Rays also would make a contribution, perhaps as much as $150-million, covering one-third of the cost.

The team also would seek legislative approval for $60-million of state money in future sales tax revenue from food, beer and merchandise sales in the new park.

The plan faces several hurdles. The city charter requires voter approval of any deal involving a long-term lease of city-owned waterfront property such as Al Lang. The plan also may involve the city selling the Al Lang site to Pinellas County to avoid property taxes; a similar deal was constructed to create a tax shelter for Tropicana Field.

That, too, would have to pass voters' muster at a time when government budgets are tight and taxpayers are calling for tax relief.

State and city officials declined to discuss the plan.

Asked about the stadium plan, Rays principal owner Stuart Sternberg said: "If it can get done, I'm open to it." He declined to comment further.

After the St. Petersburg Times broke the story Friday on its Web site, tampabay.com, the Rays called a late-night news conference at which president Matt Silverman confirmed that the team was going forward with the plan.

"We are excited about the possibilities of these projects, and the economic benefits that they would bring to our community," Silverman said. "We would certainly involve the public in any process related to this."

The new stadium would be open to the elements but could be covered with sail-like material on a cabling system when necessary. Fans or other devices would provide cooling, and some seating areas would have air-conditioning.

The stadium would be built on the site of the longtime spring training facility the team is leaving next year. But the new field would be shifted so that balls hit over the rightfield fence would splash into the water, as is the case at the San Francisco Giants' AT&T Park.

Site has pros, cons

The design is expected to be traditional, with a retro look common among new baseball stadiums. The smaller capacity, about 10,000 less than Tropicana Field's when the team began play there, also reflects a recent trend in ballpark design.

The Rays have shown an artist's rendering of the stadium to state and city officials, and likely will have a model when they make a public announcement of their plans, probably in the next month.

The Al Lang site would be a tight fit for a major-league stadium, with only a little more than 10 acres available. That's about the same as Fenway Park in Boston and slightly less than AT&T Park in San Francisco.

It would leave little or no room for on-site parking. Fans would have to use downtown garages and makeshift lots in the area, and the team would be deprived of a revenue source. Bayshore Drive would be closed and be integrated into the site, perhaps as the outfield warning track.

The Rays consider the Al Lang site their top choice for a new stadium for several reasons: Not only could it evolve into a picturesque signature home, but it also would allow the team to get a new stadium without having to fight to get out of its lease at Tropicana Field, which runs through 2027.

The lease bars the Rays from moving anywhere without the city's permission, making an in-city move much more feasible than elsewhere in the Tampa Bay area, such as the state Fairgrounds location in eastern Hillsborough County.

The city still owes more than $100-million on nearly 18-year-old Tropicana Field, a debt not scheduled to be paid off until 2025. The county also is contributing money through a hotel tax.

Though Sternberg's group has spent millions upgrading Tropicana Field since taking over in October 2005, he has also maintained that the team eventually will need a new stadium. As recently as May, he indicated he didn't expect it to happen anytime soon. In July, Major League Baseball president Bob DuPuy said a new stadium was not a top league priority.

But, working on their own and in relative secrecy, the Rays have clearly accelerated that timetable.

"First and foremost, as Stuart Sternberg has said repeatedly, we will not demand a new stadium," Silverman said. "Secondly, Stuart has said on numerous occasions that Tropicana Field will not be a viable facility by the end of our lease term."

A new stadium could become more of a destination and boost the team's attendance, which has consistently ranked among the league's worst.

A key to the deal would be the sale of the Tropicana Field and parking lot land. There are grand plans for the mixed-use redevelopment, with talk of an upscale, sophisticated retail and entertainment area that would create numerous jobs combined with affordable workforce housing. The hope is to get a major developer involved.

Officials unaware

St. Petersburg Mayor Rick Baker has said the city is unlikely to provide additional funding for a new stadium. His position reflects a decline in sentiment nationally for the public to subsidize sports teams.

"I know the Rays have looked at a lot of options," Baker said. "And I'm sure they're continuing to look at their options."

Al Lang -- formally known as Progress Energy Park -- will be without a tenant starting in 2009 when the Rays move their spring training facilities to Charlotte County. The city is unlikely to seek a replacement team for spring training.

The process to build a stadium at the Al Lang site was made easier in August, when the City Council agreed to table a proposal that would have added development protections there.

St. Petersburg economic development officials said they wanted more flexibility for the site, but publicly, they never explained why.

Rick Mussett, the city's senior economic development official, would not address questions about a possible new stadium on that site this week: "I can't comment about that," he said.

The circle of people who are involved in the Rays talks so far is small.

Gov. Charlie Crist met privately with team officials on Aug. 17 in St. Petersburg, but he has not commented publicly about the nature of that discussion. He was traveling in Chile on Friday and did not return requests seeking comment.

Many local elected leaders -- from county commissioners to City Council members to state legislators -- said they've heard nothing more than rumors regarding a new stadium. If talks are under way, it's not with them.

"I have heard it come up from time to time, in the last year," said Pinellas County Commissioner Ken Welch, who said he heard rumors again on Thursday. "But there's no formal talks, as far as I know."

"I'd be surprised if it is that far along," said Don Shea, the director of the St. Petersburg Downtown Partnership.

"No one has approached me in any way officially about that," said Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey.

Fasano, who oversees economic development spending in the Senate, is someone the Rays surely would seek out.

Any state money for a new stadium would go through him. He sees it as an uphill battle.

"I don't see how anything like that would happen in such a tight budget year," Fasano said.

The Florida Marlins have tried and failed to win the extra tax break, despite the support of House Speaker Marco Rubio. The proposal calls for the first $2-million in sales taxes generated by the stadium each year for 30 years to go toward construction and maintenance.

Rays executives are leaning toward hiring one of the state's most powerful lobbyists, Brian Ballard, to increase the team's presence in Tallahassee.

Could the support of Gov. Crist, who calls St. Petersburg home, put the Rays over the top?

"When you have the governor living a few blocks from the stadium that's helpful, but it's a tough road," said Sen. Charlie Justice, D-St. Petersburg, who admits he has heard rumors about the Al Lang site.

Scant support

Sen. Dennis Jones, R-Treasure Island, said he opposes using taxpayer dollars to help build a new stadium in St. Petersburg.

"Obviously, I can't imagine anybody in this period of time, why anyone would have any serious interest in using taxpayers' money to build a stadium when we're trying to fix a property tax problem and an insurance problem," Jones said. "Right now, the taxpayers are more concerned about making a mortgage and putting groceries on the table than putting money into a sports complex."

Major League Baseball officials are aware of the Rays' interest in a new stadium but are not party to the proposed plan. MLB officials have helped teams lobby for funding, including for several years in South Florida without success, but do not contribute financially.

The Rays, clearly, had hoped to keep news of the stadium quiet until their official announcement next month. They hastily arranged for a 9 p.m. news conference Friday at Tropicana Field at which Silverman spoke for 27 seconds and took no questions.

Staff writers Steve Bousquet and Jennifer Liberto contributed to this report.

Key points of the proposal

  • 35,000-seat, open air stadium
  • Retractable covering stops rain
  • Sale of the Trop helps funding
  • No new city tax money, but possible sales tax revenues
  • Needs city voter approval

[Last modified November 10, 2007, 00:54:43]


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by Kathleen 01/17/08 12:05 PM
In my opinion, the Rays are using City resources to help them get out of their contract with the City. (So they can go to Tampa or Orlando). Argument: City you can make more money selling and redeveloping the Trop site if you let us out of the lease
by Mike 01/01/08 03:18 PM
The new park should use augusta block brick, have the home run ball land in the water in left, a 40 ft heigh wall in right where the fans can be right on top of the action and the only marker in the majors in the 290's down the right field line.
by It's real money!!! 11/29/07 04:10 PM
Everyone who is for the idea should take up a collection from their constituents and see if they can pay for the redundant ballpark. I would wager that when it comes to out of pocket monies these folks would think twice about such a absurd venture.
by pacfandave 11/29/07 11:09 AM
Idiotic, putting that monstrosity on the waterfront. Like putting a Rockefeller-size X-mas tree in a Florida cracker house living room. It belongs on the Gandy, where it will be convenient to northern and eastern fans and where there is parking.
by TRC 11/22/07 01:08 PM
The Rays will not move to Tampa. everyone that says they need to needs to look at their contract. They are under contract to play in St. Petersburg until 2027. THAT is why they aren't moving to Tampa and using the drive and traffic is a lame excuse.
by D-Ray 11/20/07 03:35 PM
Absolutely brilliant. Can't wait to see the renderings and details. St. Pete needs this.
by Bry 11/20/07 10:43 AM
move the team to tampa, how about the old derby lane site. attendance would go up, which would mean more money for the team and better players for the fans. get out of ST pete and move them to TAMPA
by Steve 11/19/07 10:25 AM
HOnestly this is a dumb idea.Why would they want this, no attendance in the first place, 99 degree weather, and storms through 3/4 of the season. They should either stay in the dome or go somewhere else!
by Ryan 11/15/07 02:07 AM
This is absolutely insane. The rays should be in Hillsborough County somewhere or in Tampa its self. I will never drive and hour traffic to watch a team lose, if they moved to Tampa maybe they'd get over 5000 attendants.
by scott 11/13/07 06:32 PM
this is a wonderful idea.downtown st pete has a lot to offer after a game. as for the heat deal with it we live in fl. lets keep our fingers crossed go ray's
by Ann 11/13/07 06:11 PM
Outdoors in St. Pete?? Just 4 words: HEAT! Storms! Lightning Strikes! to solve: FIX ROCCO BALDELLI
by Art 11/13/07 02:54 PM
They are so called the Tampa Bay devil rays why not move them to tampa?? why build a stadium when the team only manages to beat just the yankees lol,thats impossible..maybe the first game will be a full sellout.Devil rays need to get a team to dream
by David 11/13/07 12:20 PM
Baseball more than any other sport needs their stadium centrally located to their fans since the majority of games are on weeknights. As others have mentioned, either the FG site or Derby Lane would be best. Anything in Pinellas is a waset on money.
by Marge 11/13/07 11:57 AM
The Rays need better marketing. They should be running buses from Tampa, Clearwater and Manatee County especially for the day games. Charge a nominal fee for the ride and get some of our seniors to attend the games.
by Sal 11/12/07 09:31 PM
It all reality the fault really goes to the St Pete leaders in the 80s that jumped the gun and built this dome 10 years before the team was actually awarded. They just wanted a reason to block any bid the city of Tampa would have for the team.
by Ugh 11/12/07 02:53 PM
Now I want to puke. The last paragraph says why. "Silverman spoke for 27 seconds and took no questions." Hmm sneaky dirty rotten scoundrel. Now I have lost faith in the new ownership.
by JIm 11/12/07 02:41 PM
Rays season ticket holder for the past 6 years. How about a winning team then we can think about a new stadium. Plus this is Florida in the summer time who is going to sit in the heat? Not me!! The Trop is fine for now.
by Harold 11/12/07 02:28 PM
Derby Lane site would be a great compromise and increase attendence from Tampa side. Plenty of room. Sadly the Trop sux, and always did.
by Patrick 11/12/07 01:53 PM
Sounds like a pipe dream. Parking down there would be terrible and make people not want to come in the first place. It would be nice but I dont see it happening.
by Bland 11/12/07 01:47 PM
This is a galactic dumb idea. Some of the most valuable property in the city swapped for retail/residential? The city put the dome where it is to develop that area. Many have invested in this location. Put me down as one of the old farts. No way.
by Ray 11/12/07 01:45 PM
Fantastic idea,w/be a another great day for St. Pete(the most beautiful downtown in FL).This w/ensure team's future & comminty pride w/be bright,we'd get to preserve Al Lang site(most-historic baseball site in FL),& w/require no new tax $'s.Go Rays!
by Steve 11/12/07 01:24 PM
Just look at the attendance at Legends Field for the Tampa Yankees or the Marlins to see how much people are willing to sit outside in the Florida summer. NOT! Watching baseball in AC does not take away from the game unless you're a DH hater type.
by Edna 11/12/07 12:01 PM
I have too many mixed feelings on this to fit neatly into the short space allotted for comments here, but the bottom line is: This could be FANTASTIC if done intelligently & funded mainly without taxpayer dollars.
by Al 11/12/07 11:56 AM
It's amazing how good the Trop will begin to look if the Rays ever break .500 and begin to look like winners.
by Sambo 11/12/07 11:34 AM
St. Pete has mismanaged baseball since the beginning. The Trop is awful, no-one wants to go to St. Pete. The place sits right on the freeway and still no-one wants to go over there. Move the team to TAMPA!!
by FredSaid 11/12/07 11:31 AM
Please move the Rays to Tampa where they can make some money. No-one wants to go to St. Pete. Pinellas County is dying a slow but certain death. Keep St. Pete quaint and peaceful. Why waste good waterfront on a stadium??
by mark 11/12/07 09:34 AM
After visiting alot of ballparks, including the Trop, an open air stadium is the way to go. The Trop is like going to the circus. The excitement in an outdoor ballpark on the water would be be the way to go. Go Biscuits.
by Bob 11/12/07 08:22 AM
Are they crazy. Attendance is poor now. Who is going to sit in 90 degree heat in summer in a outdoor venue.
by Larry 11/11/07 07:26 AM
They do not need a new stadium. When they put a winning product on the field then talk about it. With tax cuts and less revenue, governments need to concentrate on essential services.
by Terry 11/10/07 11:11 PM
First, I can't see a new stadium destroying the quaint St. Pete waterfront. Secondly, the old farts would shoot down any tax rate hikes. Lastly, I personally would not buy a ticket to sit and sweat in an outdoor stadium, comfort is paramount. Vote No
by frank 11/10/07 07:26 PM
Has anyone asked the "customers" ie: us fans, what we would think about going to an open air stadium with virtually no available parking ? These guys (Stu, Andrew, Matty) live in their own world while raking in mlb revenue sharing bucks cha ching !
by D.G. 11/10/07 06:47 PM
The Trop will be the 6th oldest in baseball soon (behind Fenway, Wrigley, the Angels, KC, and LA). And, it lacks the charm of any of them. Please let this happen!
by Josh 11/10/07 03:59 PM
Weren't there rumors about Albert Whitted being closed and torn down? That would leave a lot more room for the stadium to breathe...as an Architecture Major, I am really uncomfortable with a major league stadium sandwiched on that site...
by Matt 11/10/07 02:58 PM
They say that the tax payers will be spared the cost of a new statdium, however, we were sold a bill of goods with the Trop. Watch out St. Pete the screw is comming. It would be more cost effective to send the Rays to Orlando.
by al 11/10/07 02:10 PM
It wont be built in my lifetime. The Trop has all we need and agood engineer can redo that dome and stupid light ring
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