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Tax plan support in doubt
A new ballot measure lacks the 60 percent needed for passage, a voter survey finds.
By ALEX LEARY, Times Staff Writer
Published November 12, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - Lawmakers built the property tax plan for the Jan. 29 ballot on a simple principle: focus on provisions internal polls showed were popular with voters.
Now, the first independent survey of that strategy indicates it's not working.
Fifty-three percent of registered voters said they support the tax package, seven points short of the 60 percent needed to pass a constitutional amendment.
"At 53 percent, basically you can't give it away," said pollster Thom Eldon.
Twenty-seven percent opposed and 20 percent were undecided, according to the poll done for the St. Petersburg Times, Bay News 9and a coalition of news media outlets.
Support for the tax plan dropped to 47 percent when potential voters were told about specific provisions of the plan, which heavily favors owners of homestead property and would cut $2-billion from school budgets over five years.
"It looks like they're getting ready to take away more tax money from education and other necessary things and take away from the quality of life in Florida even further," said Dave Anderson, a Democrat and retired journalist and consultant in Westchase.
Anderson, 65, would benefit greatly under the plan's "portability," which allows people to carry accumulated Save Our Homes savings when they move. But he still intends to vote no.
Kelly Whitehead, 46, a Republican from New Tampa, is not a big fan of the proposal because it does not adequately address nonhomestead property owners who have born the brunt of the tax increases in recent years.
The plan does include a 10 percent cap on assessments for nonhomestead property, though in a normal market that could have little if any effect.
"It needs to be fairer to everyone, like people who have a winter home," said Whitehead, who would not benefit from the 10 percent cap. "They need to come up with something fair and across the board."
An overwhelming number of voters rated the Legislature's effort to cut taxes as fair or poor (77 percent). The poll results, combined with lukewarm support even from some Legislators, add up to a plan that faces many obstacles.
Part of the problem is the Legislature's own doing. Prodded by business lobbyists who thought it was too easy for interest groups to change the state Constitution, lawmakers passed a measure to raise the bar for passage of a statewide referendum from a simple majority to 60 percent.
That measure passed in 2006. The property tax referendum will be the first subjected to the new standard.
Sen. Dan Webster, the Winter Garden Republican who helped fashion the tax proposal during a tense special session last month, pointed to doubling the homestead as the key selling point of the proposal. "People love this idea," he said at the time. "We cannot lose that marquee trademark."
Webster said internal GOP polls showed the provision with an approval rating well above 60 percent.
But those high numbers were not repeated in the independent telephone survey of 800 registered voters, conducted Nov. 4-7 for a coalition of media outlets, including the Times, Bay News 9, the Miami Herald and the Palm Beach Post.
The poll was done by Schroth, Eldon & Associates, whose clients primarily are Democrats, and the Polling Co., which mainly works with Republicans. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.5 percent.
Despite the initial tepid public support for the tax proposal, three months remain for backers to change voters' minds.
"It really depends on how much money is put toward the effort for and against (the amendment) and who the leaders are," said Kellyanne Conway of the Polling Co.
Support for doubling the homestead exemption and portability was strong among young people and those who had been in their homes less than three years.
They are the ones most feeling the strain of higher taxes, having not had the protection of Save Our Homes. But the plan does little for them. Doubling the homestead exemption - a benefit that would not apply to school taxes - would provide an average savings of $240 annually, or $20 a month.
"It's a perilous position for the 'yes' side to be in, considering they are getting the largest base of support from people who don't stand to gain that much," pollster Eldon said.
But Conway said support among young Democrats and independents is a positive sign.
The question is: Will they turn out to vote?
Leading the pro side is Gov. Charlie Crist, who championed doubling the homestead exemption and Save Our Homes portability during his run for office in 2006.
It was Crist who persuaded reluctant House members to vote for the package during a special session last month. Then Crist embarked on a statewide promotional tour, something he will have to keep doing to get the amendment over the hurdle it now faces.
"We'd be nuts not to go for it," said Carl Crisp, a retired plumber in Largo. Crisp has lived in his home for 30 years and has built up considerable tax savings under Save Our Homes, which went into effect in 1995.
Crisp, however, has grown tired of the increasing congestion around him and wants to move to Zephyrhills in east Pasco County. The tax bill, however, is an impediment. Under portability that problem would go away.
Another vote Crist can count on is Richard Bruce, 70, of Clearwater. He understands the savings are mild for someone not planning to move, and he thinks more should be done for businesses.
"But this is better than nothing," he said.
Times staff writers Adam C. Smith and Jennifer Liberto contributed to this report.
Major elements of the tax plan
1. Homestead exemption doubled, except on school taxes.
2. Save Our Homes benefit can be taken to a new home.
3. $25,000 exemption on tangible personal property tax.
4. 10% cap on non homestead assessments.
Proposed tax plan
Major elements of the property tax plan:
1. Homestead exemption doubles, except on school taxes.
2. Save Our Homes benefit can be taken to a new home.
3. $25,000 exemption on tangible personal property tax.
4. 10 percent cap on nonhomestead assessments.
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by billy
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01/13/08 03:48 PM
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20 Dollars a month. Dinner for two at McDonnalds 2 times a month. Get the insurance companies!
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by Ginger
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01/05/08 10:18 AM
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It is a tax cut. It will save homeowners money. Don't let the media try to tell you it's not fair. Nothing is fair when it comes to taxes. But it will save some people money and that is good. Very simple.
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by Blake
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01/01/08 07:32 PM
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Actually, the poll shows the amendment will likely pass because there is a huge percentage of undecided. Add those in and it passes easily.
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by mike
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12/16/07 07:53 AM
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Brilliant idea, Let all the people sell their 2nd homes and move because of taxes. House values wouldn't be affected. Tell me why I should pay 3 times more than my next door neighbor and my house is half is big.I guess it is time for me to leave also
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by Harold
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12/10/07 09:20 AM
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A homestead owner who sells and moves to his non-homesteaded investment property can or cannot apply value protection portability to his new residence? (key words homesteaded vs non-homesteaded investment property owned by same person)
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by jackie
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12/05/07 01:27 PM
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NO,NO, NO!
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by Todd
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11/14/07 06:15 PM
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Just curious...why should the newest residents of the state be treated the same as those who grew up here? Who said life was fair? Isn't the whole point of homestead to protect fixed-income retirees from being forced out their homes by taxes?
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by Robert
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11/12/07 11:02 PM
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The government as a whole is losing touch with the public. We feel like they do not have a clue. Anything that comes out of government is complicated and most of the time worse than it was before they messed with it.
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by alan
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11/12/07 10:56 PM
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Vote YES. This is a start and better than nothing. SOH portability will jump start this housing recession we're in. It's discouraging new business from coming in and forcing young natives to leave the state. We can work on further tax relief later
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by Bob
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11/12/07 07:15 PM
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The original sales tax plan was the best, you control if you pay taxes or not. All the current plans just take more people off the tax rolls. Let everyone be treated the same. The sales tax plan will make our state a leader instead of a joke.
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by JC
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11/12/07 04:33 PM
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Increase the sale tax to 9/10% and lower the tax on none homestead properties this will promote and increase property sales.Property values are dropping but taxes will still remain high because they will increase the mill rate.Get rid of S.O.H.
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by JK
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11/12/07 02:55 PM
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Actually Tim, those alternative schools often work much better than the typical setting. The information is there if you care to research...I will be voting no. This only furthers the inequities we have now and will hurt FL long term.
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by nan
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11/12/07 02:18 PM
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Wrong!!! Nonhomesteads don't get a 10% cap! School taxes (almost half the bill) are not included.
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by incredulous
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11/12/07 01:53 PM
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Ridiculous "it should be fair". By definition, save-our-homes is NOT fair and puts the burden more and more on the last to arrive (buy a home). The whole thing should be scrapped. VOTE NO on EVERYTHING until they scrap it...
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by DG
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11/12/07 12:21 PM
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Vote "No" on this! This plan is like getting shot by a machine gun, and somebody throwing you a band-aid!
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by A Patriot
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11/12/07 12:18 PM
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People are surprised this is a worthless plan? Wake up! Re elect no one. All legislators should be recalled and thrown out of office.
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by Bland
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11/12/07 12:15 PM
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Remember Speaker Rubio's original proposal to increase sales tax and do away with homestead property taxes? That sounds like a much better proposal than this turkey. It would solve the SOH and portability problem and increase real estate sales.
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by Kim
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11/12/07 11:24 AM
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In a terrible Real Estate market, the taxes on our rental properties went up over 20% last year. They are still catching up to the "up" market. A 10% cap is better than nothing to try to keep rental property available.
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by DD
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11/12/07 10:45 AM
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This plan is horrible. All it does is increase the inequities. All property should be appraised, assessed and taxed at the same rate. The judges will be looking at this closely. And Tom, don't hold your breath. If it passes, the effort will end.
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by Dale
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11/12/07 10:41 AM
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Again the Legislature has failed to come up with a meaningful tax package. This doesn't solve the long range problem at all, and offers only a band aid approach. Better to vote it down and force better legislation. Savings are nil under this plan!
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by Harry
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11/12/07 10:35 AM
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Cap all annual Property Taxes at 1% of Fair Market Value, and impose a strictly limited, 5% State Income Tax, per Constitution- sound simple? It is!
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by Bill A
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11/12/07 10:34 AM
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The sleeping tiger is all the full time residents who can vote and do not own a home but rent. They still pay the full tax in their rent check. If the have any sense they will all vote no. A fair system for all is required.
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by gg
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11/12/07 10:16 AM
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The plan does not make the tax fair and simple. Double this, portable that are just gimmicks waiting for FRAUD. Crooked politicians do as crooked politicians do.
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by TaxTheBacks
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11/12/07 09:56 AM
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Tax the poor, they never have a gripe much less a word.
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by JD
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11/12/07 09:42 AM
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Why aren't you interviewing tenants? They (along with new owners) bear the brunt of this inequity.
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by Dr_Dug
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11/12/07 09:34 AM
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Lets all smoke what our Leaders are smokin'. Might as well get high with them so we can understand them better !!
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by Joe
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11/12/07 09:28 AM
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$240 per year = $20 per month! You can't even go to dinner once a month on your savings. I plan to vote NO. What were they thinking? They need to get serious and give us real reform!
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by Chris
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11/12/07 09:13 AM
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Why isn't people talkng about what will happen to our city services when they loose $240 from our tax base from each house hold. Is It worth it?
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by Kenny
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11/12/07 08:37 AM
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A 'Pig in a Poke'. Do away with all these schemes. Tax ALL property at 100% of value and lower the overall tax RATE. Some would win, some would lose, (I'd lose), but it would be FAIR to everyone.
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by Jack
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11/12/07 08:33 AM
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A Toronto Canada Newspaper warned Canadians of the high taxes in Florida. Canadians add much to our economy, they do not use our services but spend much. Now that their dollar is stronger than ours, they are ready to invest. Give them a tax break.
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by Bob
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11/12/07 08:23 AM
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I hear this amendment would also EXCLUDE the school districts from the current 3% cap so the cap would be weakened as the local gov't would take their 3% then add for the schools. Is this true?
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by Ronnie
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11/12/07 07:53 AM
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The amendment is laughable. Does nothing for the people who need it. Portability will like be found unconstitutional. Then what happens to the people who took advantage of it? Vote NO and send them all packing. Let a new bunch try.
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by Andrew
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11/12/07 07:50 AM
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VOTE NO! We need a real tax plan not a band-aid! Make the homestead exemption based on todaỵ019s values. A $240 annual savings is not enough. $240 will not even pay for some homeowners drug prescriptions for one month. VOTE NO!
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by Mary
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11/12/07 07:35 AM
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The plan does not address the inequity in non-owner occupied homes. Renters will bear the brunt of the taxes - as they do now.
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by Dave
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11/12/07 06:18 AM
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Home owners need to vote "no" on this! This is not tax reform, and only propagates the unfair tax burden on new and future home owners. The solution is to put a tax cap of 1.25% of the market value.
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