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In midst of tumult, Without Walls plans expansion
Without Walls considers building for up to 10,000 despite troubles.
By SHERRI DAY, Times Staff Writer
Published November 16, 2007
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Rev. Randy White said a church steering committee has spent weeks scouring Tampa for a new site. No deadline has been set for a decision.
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[Carrie Pratt | Times]
The Without Walls administration building, shown here, is behind the church sanctuary. Both are on Grady Avenue.
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TAMPA -- Amid the most tumultuous year in the history of Without Walls International Church, the church's leader said Thursday that he is looking at a major expansion of the ministry.
The church is considering building a campus large enough to accommodate 8,000 to 10,000 people in one service, said the Rev. Randy White, the church's senior pastor. The current church at 2511 N Grady Ave. can hold about 4,500 people per service.
"We've actually outgrown this facility," said White, 49. "I have to do three services on Sunday. So we're looking for property to build somewhere. We just need the right location."
The expansion announcement comes just two months after White and his now ex-wife, Paula, rocked the congregation with news that they were divorcing. Since then, 21 families have left, White said. And financial giving is down by 12 percent.
Without Walls also has been the focus of months of news stories questioning the integrity of its leaders and now is facing government scrutiny. The U.S. Senate Finance Committee launched a federal inquiry last week into the financial dealings of Without Walls and six other ministries around the nation. The ministries have until Dec. 6 to respond to the committee's request for information.
Citing advice from his attorneys, White declined to comment on the federal investigation, though he said the affected ministries have been communicating with each other.
In the meantime, White said a church steering committee has spent weeks scouring Tampa for a new site. No deadline has been set for a decision.
Church leaders also are considering a second option in which the ministry would move to a facility it already owns, but White declined to specify where.
The only property the church now owns that is large enough to accommodate the move White describes is Without Walls Central in Polk County, which would mean the church would move to Lakeland.
The confluence of negative events might stymie some ministries, but White talks like a man poised to fight back.
"I think people are thinking that we're going to go down and go under, and I don't see that at all," White said from his office Thursday. "I see that God gives you the second and third and fourth chance. And we're looking to the future. We can't keep dwelling in the past."
New vision
White planned to share news of his expansion vision with his congregation Thursday night. He said the decision to seek new environs was spurred by new developments that once erected likely will box in the church -- a former Canada Dry warehouse -- and its neighboring administration building.
Just recently, the developers of the old Metropolitan Life Insurance site on Without Walls' west side broke ground on a condominium, retail, hotel and office complex.
On the church's east side, developers have filed a petition with the city to rezone the Days Inn and a Bennigan's restaurant on N Dale Mabry Highway for a three-tower office, residential, retail and hotel development. If built according to plans, that project would include more than 900,000 square feet.
Observers say the proposed expansion is aggressive in the face of the church's numerous travails.
"Some of it may have been strategy that they've been thinking about for a long time," said Scott Thumma, a professor of religion and sociology who studies megachurches at the Hartford Institute for Religion Research in Connecticut. "Some of it may be a symbolic move to say, 'We can be attacked and challenged, and we're going to move on and reassert our spiritual authority and presence here.' ... It'll be interesting to see if they can actually pull it off."
Church members said the possible expansion comes as no surprise, as White has mentioned developers' bids for the church property before.
"I told my wife this was coming," said Walt Walker, a machine operator who has been at the church for a year and opposes any move. "How can the church be too small when we don't even fill the church anymore? Considering the financial straits that the church is in right now, I have no doubt in my mind that this is related to the finances of the church."
White disputes reports that the church has financial problems and cannot pay its bills, pointing to a 2006 audit that shows more than $8-million in the ministry's coffers.
Fredrick Thomas, head of the church's Road to Recovery ministry for the needy and indigent, welcomes the proposed expansion.
"We do a lot of stuff that a lot of churches and social service agencies won't do," said Thomas, 42. "With expansion, it would definitely be another avenue for more social services under one roof."
The road ahead
White considers himself a man in restoration, dedicated to his church and his children.
He remains friends with his ex-wife and describes their split as amicable.
The couple finalized their divorce overseas about two months ago, said White, noting that they divided their assets equally in an uncontested dissolution of their marriage. He will keep their Bayshore Boulevard house. She has homes in New York and Texas.
One day, White says, he will likely date again. It is quite possible that he may even consider re-marriage.
But for now, he's a man on a mission, trying to steer his church through dark days.
"We're a tough church," said White. "I already see life coming back. We will survive this emphatically and unequivocally. Just stick around and see."
Sherri Day can be reached at sday@sptimes.com or (813) 226-3405.
[Last modified November 15, 2007, 23:25:15]
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by Wes
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11/27/07 12:13 PM
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Typical religious hypocrisy. They should lose all tax exemptions for basically fleecing those who believe in what they say.
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by sherry
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11/24/07 08:52 PM
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I am a member of WWIC and the church has done alot for the community and for the members of the church. I have my pastors back.
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by Raphael
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11/16/07 04:42 PM
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People, wakeup and attend a real church, with a real minister. They are really easy to find.
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by Holly
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11/16/07 02:30 PM
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I suspect the White's are not going to open their books to the Senate Finance Committee. And ONLY 21 families have left the church, and profits down ONLY 12%? What?? People are like sheep.
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by debbie
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11/16/07 12:41 PM
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Oh Maggie. You hit the nail on the head. Unless someone has permanent residency overseas, they shouldn't be allowed to file those documents out of the country. I hope they both get what's coming to them. Religious people my foot. CON ARTISTS!!!
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by frank
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11/16/07 12:38 PM
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"I have to do three services on Sunday." oh my, imagine a minister having to actually spend his sundays ministering. i guess with homes in florida, new york, and texas he has better places to be.
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by Jamie
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11/16/07 11:59 AM
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SCAM a/k/a Organized Religion
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by Mac
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11/16/07 11:49 AM
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The church Pastor Randy will be attending soon has walls--jail.
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by Maggie
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11/16/07 11:45 AM
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Why an overseas divorce? Because the very first documents filed in divorce court are financials statements from both parties. The Whites do NOT want any such details available for public scrutiny in Hillsborough County courts.
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by kay
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11/16/07 11:34 AM
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Pay yourselves parishoners and stop letting these con artist spend your money to live lavish lives.
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by John
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11/16/07 10:47 AM
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I hear there's a place over on Orient Rd. "Pastor" Randy. They can house quite a few of your convicts..err converts...Besides, you and your ex-wife probably aren't long for jail anyway! Bad boys, bad boys, watcha' gonna do...when they come for you!
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by Brian
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11/16/07 08:34 AM
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Isn't somebody supposed to get stoned now?
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by FL Cracker
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11/16/07 08:30 AM
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White might want to hold off on "expanding" until the seats are filled up where he is. Bravado won't pay the bills.
And why an overseas divorce?
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by Larry
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11/16/07 08:16 AM
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Can anyone spell "SCAM".
Anyone taking bets on how long it's going to take to go from "expansion: to bankruptcy?
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by Jayson
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11/16/07 08:05 AM
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I can say a prayer at home and it does not cost a thing. Think for youselves people. Stop letting people tell you what to think!
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by john
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11/16/07 08:01 AM
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Senator Grassley is investigated the finances of several ministries, and I believe Without Walls is on the list. Wonder if the Congressional investigation will affect their plans?
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by Dan
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11/16/07 07:33 AM
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The Bible says in 2nd. Tim.4:3" a time will come when men will shun sound doctrine and seek teachers who will tickle their itching ears" Randy White is that teacher.Feel good preachers condone what ever feels good,like divorce.Nice example Randy!!
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by john
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11/16/07 07:15 AM
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I find it amazing that some people are really that afraid of other people. The church is not the building but the people. Come on in and find out what Jesus may have in store for you. Walter, it's called FAITH.
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by Sheila
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11/16/07 06:43 AM
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Great reporting Sherry! I appreciate your integrity as a writer. It is refreshing when a reporter tells what he is told and only adds additional truths.
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by TOm
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11/16/07 06:29 AM
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Paula and Randy White....stealing in the name of god. Crooks.
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by CrazyIvan
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11/16/07 06:08 AM
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Religion is a wonderful business: It's tax exempt and you never have to give refunds.
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by evan
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11/16/07 03:42 AM
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Mr. White sure is slick-the man is going under and still maintains a positive attitude in keeping his members under his "spell"
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by Mark
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11/16/07 03:17 AM
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Why don't they take over Tropicana Stadium? It will be empty soon.
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