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St. Petersburg City Hall knew about Rays' stadium plans

City leaders heard in March, but state law lets economic development deals stay under wraps.

By AARON SHAROCKMAN, Times Staff Writer
Published November 16, 2007


The city's Downtown Neighborhood Association appealed to preserve Al Lang Field as parkland, and were unsure why city officials said no. Until now.
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ST. PETERSBURG -- The president of the city's Downtown Neighborhood Association stood before city officials in August and implored them to preserve Al Lang Field as parkland.

The city said no. Officials didn't say exactly why.

For association president Timothy J. Baker, 59, the explanation finally came last Friday.

The city, it turns out, was courting a $450-million professional baseball stadium.

City administrators and the Tampa Bay Rays secretly have been discussing the possibility since last March. Baker, who with a group of other neighborhood activists was crusading toward a different fate, obviously was not included in the talks.

He hardly was alone.

City Council members, Pinellas County commissioners, state legislators all said they were left in the dark.

While most government records are accessible to anyone, state law allows cities to shield economic development deals from the public view. But that doesn't mean people like Baker particularly like it.

"We specifically met with every City Council member at least once to talk about Al Lang," said Baker, who wanted to protect the waterfront from development once the Rays vacated their spring training facility next year.

"I had a little slide show I put together about the waterfront," Baker said. "I met with the mayor and his staff. I met with the Rays."

The city never lied to him about its intentions, Baker said. Officials were just selective in what they said.

Mayor Rick Baker, who is not related to Timothy Baker, "likes to get these deals all put together and then make an announcement," the community leader said.

Although many of the details of the stadium plan were made public last Friday on the St. Petersburg Times' Web site, tampabay.com, city officials continue to refuse to talk publicly about the negotiations.

Chief Assistant City Attorney Mark Winn said the city will release some documents related to the Rays stadium proposal today, but little new information likely will be included.

The juiciest materials are covered by a confidentiality agreement between the city and the team. That pact was signed last March.

"We're honoring it," said Rick Mussett, the city's senior administrator who oversees economic development projects.

When it came to Al Lang, the word most often associated with the city's vision earlier this year was flexibility.

For what? No one would say.

"It left a lot of things open to speculation," said Marilyn Olsen, a member of the board of directors of the downtown neighborhood group. "There have been rumors, lots of rumors."

The residents' view was simple: If the city had no intention to turn the site into anything other than a park, why not cement that in writing?

On Thursday, Mussett said the city's position would have not changed no matter the situation.

"Until the community decides how it should be used and the City Council ends up blessing that use, why would we change anything?" Mussett asked. "You're putting the cart before the horse."

Baker, the downtown neighborhood president, has all kinds of questions he wants to ask the Rays about their proposal. This week, he got a call from the Rays asking him to stop by.

Now they want to talk to him, too.

Aaron Sharockman can be reached at asharockman@sptimes.com or (727) 892-2273.

The trial balloon?
The Rays and the city have been talking since March about a new 35,000-seat stadium at Al Lang Field. In May, team principal owner Stuart Sternberg raised some eyebrows by telling the New York Times Tropicana Field will be obsolete by 2012. "Baseball does not feel right indoors," Sternberg said. He later clarified his comments, saying that there is no deadline for a new ballpark. "I know we have to be here at least five years, and I know we can't be here for 20," Sternberg said. "Now that we've been in here a little bit longer and done all the improvements, we can really see the issues structurally within the building." Last Friday, the St. Petersburg Times reported Sternberg wants a new stadium. The prospective opening date? 2012.

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by Adam 01/01/08 06:16 PM
why not have home run balls go in the water in left field?
by Big Picture 11/29/07 04:40 PM
To all who approve of this proposal, do you think this matter of baseball means anything to those of us who have nothing to gain. There is no trickle down for the average joe. And the "my team" mindset is infantile ... get a life. Signed homeless.
by Susie 11/18/07 08:16 PM
Mentioning the toytown dump property out in the howard franklin bridge area for a new stadium. It would draw people from Tampa, Clearwater, and St Petersburg. I agree it would be a BIG win for the Rays & it's by the WATER.
by First Amendment 11/17/07 01:14 PM
Dear Editor: Please inform me as to why you provide space for commentary, and when you receive feedback, you do not print what you receive. I cannot see any reason to censure any logical argument or sentence structure that readers send. Thanks!
by Gloria 11/17/07 09:15 AM
Why are only men quoted in all of these articles? We have 2 women on council, and a woman who presides as President of CONA, plus many woman civic leaders. You really know how to turn people off, just when you should be engaging everyone.
by WF 11/17/07 08:42 AM
What is Mayor Baker's cut of the $$$ ?
by Melinda 11/16/07 11:15 PM
Anyone who isn't willing to have their property taxes DOUBLED to pay for the new stadium should leave the county ASAP! You are not wanted here. And the billionaire owners should get all proceeds from parking, etc. Let's be real about things.
by JIM 11/16/07 10:40 PM
GUESS YOU AT THE TIMES DON'T WANT TO UPSET YOUR BUDDIES AT ST. PETE. YOU WOULDN'T PRINT MY EARLIER BECAUSE IT BROUGHT UP THE WATER AND SEWER SURCHARGE. YOU ARE IN CAHOOTS WITH THE CITY. DOWN WITH THE STADIUM. WE ALREADY PAY FOR THE DOME .
by JW 11/16/07 05:07 PM
St. Pete citz's think this is all about them. This is about all of Tampa Bay. If we want this area to grow economically, we have to spend some money. If the Rays ever leave TB, that will be a blackeye to our area for generations. I vote YES!
by Stop the Insanity 11/16/07 02:23 PM
Let see, if we cut some of the high paying salarys of the City of St. Petersburg's Administration Elite, we just might have enough to build a new stadium and ... putt, putt golf.
by Regular Joe 11/16/07 02:11 PM
I guess the city's, "cutting taxes will mean giving up services," scare is over ... because if we have 1/3 of a billion dollars surplus to build a redundant stadium ... we must have enough to run our city and restore services. Fat cats, you gotta?
by Do the Math 11/16/07 01:55 PM
I think, in all honesty, we need a new team and not a new stadium!!!
by Positive 11/16/07 01:39 PM
Let's get it built. Vote YES. You guys need to do your homework before responding without a clue. This will cost taxpayers very little and will provide great economic growth for St. Pete (with the redev of the Trop site).
by Stephie 11/16/07 01:37 PM
Have you ever sat at a Marlins game in August (outside)? It is beastly hot and everyone is miserable. Even the night games! This is a bad idea all around. They should just improve Tropicana Field. And, St. Pete City officials are once again unethical
by Marc 11/16/07 01:10 PM
This lack of accountability for citizen inclusion and/or input is so indicative of City Hall Leaders and Bureaucrats. The citizens in the "know" are cherry picked by the city for positive support and commentary. It's business as usual in St. Pete.!
by mike 11/16/07 12:20 PM
If St. Pete doesn't want their baseball team we have room on our side of the bay. At least Sternberg hasn't been publicly threatened to move to another city.
by jack Strait 11/16/07 11:49 AM
major league baseball (TBDR) have added nothing to st petes economic well being except the oportunity for the average fan to spend $100 to see a loser team play a game. This proposal is just another scam to bleed our citizens of our cash.
by Joe 11/16/07 11:45 AM
put a better product on the market and fans will come, look at USF football the begining of the year. Win, and we will come. Continued losing of the Rays and we wont. I'm not driving 1 hour to see a team that stinks.
by 727guy 11/16/07 11:38 AM
I can't wait for this to be brought to a referendum so I can VOTE AGAINST IT!
by Gee 11/16/07 11:24 AM
How is a Stadium that seats 30,000 going to fit in that area????
by frank 11/16/07 11:20 AM
pinellas, these are your elected leaders leaving you in the dark about your community. meeting behind closed doors with the highest bidder, without involving you - the people who entrusted them with leadership. vote NO if the opportunity ever comes.
by Mike Creyton 11/16/07 11:11 AM
Can people not freaking read or are you just stupid? No one is giving the Rays $450 million. It amazes me some of these people even know how to navigate the internet.
by John 11/16/07 11:10 AM
This is not a bad thing people. Rays are talking about taking care of most of the cost. The current stadium will never allow baseball and the city grow. This will create many jobs and allow St. Petersburg to grow as a city and prosper.
by KG 11/16/07 10:42 AM
What a surprise, not!! Let's vote these folks out of office and get some people who really care about the WHOLE city, not just the developers. The waterfront should be a park for all to enjoy. Wasteful government as usual. Vote them out!!!!!!!!!
by J.R. 11/16/07 10:34 AM
Trop. field was obsolete when it was built. Indoor baseball is for northern cities. But, you built it, you blew it, you live with it! The tax payers should NOT have to bail out you idiots in St. Pete! It will happen though and it will be a failure!
by james 11/16/07 10:33 AM
lemme see here... we get free parking and a sucky team; he gets a $450 million dollar stadium. good trade, huh?! to hell with ignorant millionaire athletes and their owners. make the trop field area a public university and do some good for all.
by je 11/16/07 10:30 AM
before you rob the taxpayers of $450MILLION to build a baseball stadium, you need to have a baseball team; hey stuart, work on that when you get a chance. geesh you're greedier than namoli!
by Jeff 11/16/07 10:09 AM
The econamic impact of a waterfront stadium will benefit the community for the next 30 years. It would be foolish to dismiss the idea of a publically funded stadium because the Rays are a lousy baseball team at the present time.
by Larry 11/16/07 10:01 AM
The Rays should not be allowed to develop the downtown waterfront with a new stadium. I agree with Michael, how often have they filled the Trop? Only when the Yankees are in town. Secrecy in government stinks. Say no, voters.
by Paul 11/16/07 09:59 AM
Didn't all those people in condos downtown just make a huge stink over the music being play at Fresco's waterfront restaurant? They can't handle a 1 man band but a major league baseball stadium is no problem? A stadium ain't going there, vote NO!
by David 11/16/07 09:57 AM
And what corner of the government in the sunshine law were they able to hide behind for all these private meetings? Isn't there jail time associated with violations like this?
by Dr_Dug 11/16/07 09:34 AM
Ballpark by the water in Sunny Weather..?The Tax Payer builds it,OWNS IT,then rents it out to the Rays OR any other team looking for that type of opportunity.That should finally make the Rays play better and it helps the Tax Payer make money.For Rent
by Jay 11/16/07 09:31 AM
Where are people going to park?
by Ron 11/16/07 09:28 AM
Just vote no!!!
by Rene 11/16/07 09:14 AM
Getting more and more excited as this idea takes shape - can't wait to vote YES!
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