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By AARON SHAROCKMAN, Times Staff Writer
Published November 18, 2007
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This drawing is based on the recollection of several people who have seen the team's version. Talks focused on the roof structure as well as the grass berms and stadium roof.
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[John Corbitt | Times Illustration]
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On his second day running the Tampa Bay Rays, principal owner Stuart Sternberg tipped his hand about plans for an open-air baseball stadium. We just didn't know it then. "Ideally you want to be outdoors when it's beautiful and you want to be indoors when it's not," Sternberg said Oct. 7, 2005. "We will explore certain possible new technologies that develop and might give us the opportunity to keep out the weather but sort of keep in the environment." Now we know what Sternberg had in mind. The Rays won't reveal their drawing for the new ballpark they are proposing on the downtown waterfront. But based on discussions with people who have seen renderings of the team's version, the St. Petersburg Times created its own. If the Rays' dream ballpark is ever built, it would be one of a kind. Picture an outdoor stadium where Al Lang Field now stands. Out past left field looms the city skyline. Over center, the Pier. To right, Tampa Bay. A grass berm rings the outfield. A new grassy park borders the north end of the stadium. A steel roof covers the top of the horseshoe-shaped grandstands. Above that, hundreds of yards of fabric sails are stored. A series of cables runs from the roof to a mast in center field, 300-feet-tall. Other cables arch across the stadium to help create a form. Then, the storm comes. With a push of the button, the fabric starts to unfurl. It rises toward the hulking center field poll. When it's in place, the fabric covers the stands and most of the field. It provides shade for the field and the seats, and protects fans and players from the rain. The concept for the Rays new stadium is unique. No major league baseball stadium has a fabric roof that covers the field, but keeps baseball outdoors. Most roofs that retract are built on a rail-like system. In Houston, where the Astros play, the entire roof simply slides off on a track. In Milwaukee, the roof of the stadium opens and closes like a Japanese fan. But designs like those take room. They probably wouldn't fit on the Rays' preferred site, Al Lang Field, the team's spring training home. And they tend to be expensive. An industry expert said the Rays' sail could cut temperatures in the stadium by as much as 20 degrees. And home runs could still reach Tampa Bay. How hot would it be? As innovative as it may sound, there are plenty of questions regarding the Rays' design. Lots of them have to do with structural engineering. But a more pressing issue remains. Outdoor baseball in St. Petersburg? In July? Though Tropicana Field consistently is listed near the top of baseball's worst stadiums list, it was built with a dome on top for a reason. The average high in St. Petersburg during July and August is 90 degrees. On average, there are nearly 15 inches of rain in those two months. "I'm a Rays fan who kind of likes that 72 degree temperature," City Council member Jamie Bennett said recently. According to experts, the fabric the Rays choose could help mitigate concerns about heat. Rick Hughes, project manager at Sky Shades, an Orlando-area company that sells fabric coverings, said a fabric roof could keep parts of the stadium 20 degrees cooler during the hottest parts of the day. The fabric, a lightweight synthetic polymer, would reflect 70 percent of the visible light and 99 percent of the more dangerous UV rays, Hughes said. But the fabric allows enough light to pass through to play a baseball game during the day. "It's very doable," Hughes said. "In fact, it's being done." Soccer stadiums in Australia, Europe and Asia are being constructed using similar technology, Hughes and others said. None look like the Rays proposal, but most work in the same general way. In Japan, the 45,000-seat Toyota Stadium has a fabric roof that slides into place almost like a roll-up door. In Spain, a bullfighting ring has a circular roof that lifts and slides away. The Rays said Friday they likely will unveil more details about the new 35,000-seat stadium by the end of the month. Roof specifics secret The circle of people who know about the roof's design is small. It includes city and team officials and the architects and consultants themselves. Bart Dreiling, the president of a Kansas City company that deals in fabric roofing products, said a stadium architect recently showed him a design for a Florida ballpark. Dreiling remembers the designer saying the stadium was top secret. The architect never said where in Florida the stadium was. And Dreiling never asked. "It could have been the Devil Rays," Dreiling said. "It might not have been. I can't say." In any event, Dreiling was reluctant to talk about that specific project. But in general, Dreiling said what the Rays may be considering is certainly possible. The team has hired a Minnesota consulting firm to help engineer the roof's movement. Uni-System has designed the roofing mechanisms for three major league stadiums - football and baseball stadium in Houston, and the football stadium in Phoenix. Cyril Silberman, Uni-Systems' founder and CEO, said he is prevented from discussing the Rays roof because of a confidentiality agreement. But he, too, said what the team is proposing is feasible. "It can be done," Silberman said. "The Europeans have played around with it, making retractable fabric roofs. But "not anything like what the Rays want." Aaron Sharockman can be reached at asharockman@sptimes.com or 727 892-2273. Q&A: The stadium Is that drawing what the new stadium will look like? The drawing is based on the recollection of several people who have seen the team's version. Talks focused on the roof structure as well as the grass berms and stadium roof. How does the sail work? Fabric panels are stored on top of the roof and are attached to cables that extend to a 300-foot-tall pole in center field. When the roof is activated, the cables unfurl the fabric and pull it toward the pole. Will it prevent rain outs? Mostly. The fabric will cover the stands and most of the field. Parts of the outfield could be exposed, especially under windy conditions. What about the heat? Experts say the fabric reflects most sunlight. One expert said the fabric could provide up to a 20 degree difference during the day.
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by Jim
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11/19/07 03:35 PM
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Fantastic design! I can't wait to sit under the stars, looking out toward the Pier and the skyline, and watching the All-Star Game. Afterwards, either walk Central Ave or go to the new mall on the old Trop. All I see is tax income galore, no probs
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by Eddie
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11/19/07 12:22 PM
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Really? They spend our taxes on stuff we never use anyways. They're not raising taxes and it's only for 1/3 the cost. As for the sails, the Colosseum in Rome was shaded with large canvas "sails" pulled into place. The technology has worked for years!
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by Ed
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11/19/07 08:29 AM
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So Stuart Sternberg started coming up with ways to have the public pay for a new statium on his second day at work! Guess he knew on his first day that it was not a problem to to have the worst team in the league as nothing has been done about that.
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by Ken
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11/19/07 08:04 AM
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NO WAY should taxpayers suppor this - it is just a gift to the already rich team owners. Why we should pay or support by tax waivers should be beyond the understanding of any sane person.
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by John
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11/18/07 06:08 PM
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Oh yes, great vision, only check out DIA in Denver and get the full story on putting up canvas sail-like material over a structure. Not to mention lightning, strong winds, thunderstorms, hurricanes, 100% humidity, and bugs from the floodlights. Duh!
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by Frank
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11/18/07 05:31 PM
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This is a great idea. Al Lang was a jewel of a park to watch a ballgame. Of course it will be hot during the summer, but does that really stop anyone from going out? Sit in the shade and have a cold one -- it's America's pastime.
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by Matt
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11/18/07 02:57 PM
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Steve...little harsh there. Check what time the sun sets in the summer before you start calling others stupid and unaware.
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by jack
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11/18/07 02:16 PM
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i like the idea. its new. but can it hold up with hurricanes?
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by Donna
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11/18/07 01:28 PM
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People are leaving the state of Florida because the taxes are too high. So lets spend millions to build a new stadium for a loosing team.
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by Mike
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11/18/07 01:23 PM
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I lived in Fort Worth, and Texas Rangers never played day games in the summer because of the heat...while it doesn't get as hot here, it's something for schedulers to consider.
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by kyle
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11/18/07 12:06 PM
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I know.....lets have a monorail....and have it go to tampa to pick up fans. Oh and lets have all of us pay for it, so the rich will get richer and we get nothing. St. pete is run by Carpet baggers with $ signs in there eyes. Wake up Hooterville!
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by scott
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11/18/07 11:35 AM
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i like st pete's waterfront gorgeous area, all class...great idea definetly need cover in the summer
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by TD
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11/18/07 11:30 AM
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I think the 300 ft. mast would act as a lightning rod to deflect a strike away from the stadium. I would like the see the stadium outfield be half seats and half berm, but I really like the design.
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by Danny
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11/18/07 11:03 AM
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What is wrong with you people? You act like we live in Hell. It is just as hot in Arizona where the D-Backs play. It is hot everywhere. It sounds to me you are just making another excuse NOT to go to the game.
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by Steve
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11/18/07 10:25 AM
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10-15 blocks in the sun? Are you stupid and unaware that most games, except for a handful, are played at 7pm? The sun starting to set at 7. You must be just another old timer looking for a reason to complain. The stadium is a brilliant idea!
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by Patrick
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11/18/07 09:52 AM
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Will the cables be high enough where they will not interact with high fly balls like the dome does?
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by Ed
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11/18/07 09:25 AM
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The fabric roof may lower the air temps but it won't do a thing to lower humidity.
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by Meyer
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11/18/07 09:24 AM
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And with such a large area left open, what will protect fans from the lightning? I've been in the Trop when it's lost lights due to a lightning strike. At the firs crack of thunder, I'd be out of that place.
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by Nate
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11/18/07 09:19 AM
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The first question that comes to my mind is the issue of having these cables strung over the top of the field. Hopefully they hang high enough to avoid situations like we have with our current catwalks.
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by Zander
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11/18/07 09:00 AM
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10 to 15 blocks in the sun? Oh, poor baby.
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by the trop
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11/18/07 08:52 AM
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that pic looks like they are not doing much to change al lang field. so, where is this 450 million going to? somehow i think someone is getting screwed on that quote.
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by Pete
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11/18/07 08:13 AM
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retractable sails is not a big deal it is on automatic sailing ships for years. Popular science has shown this kind of stuff for years. If this guy can raise that kind of money for it. Then I say let him do it. Ceiling fans and a green a/c system
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by Dave
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11/18/07 07:19 AM
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Sternberg forgets that fans must walk 10 or 15 blocks to find parking. Has Sternberg ever walked that far in the Florida sun in August? It is not just the stadium that needs to be comfortable, parking/walking in the hot sun must be accomodated.
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by Bill
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11/18/07 02:31 AM
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Someone has been studying the ancient Roman engineers. The Colesium in Rome used the same solution.
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by Kim
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11/18/07 01:34 AM
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Fabric panels will cut down on the flow of air and it will feel hot and very humid. Take a tent out side and set it up under the sun. Leave the door flap open and sit in it two hours and let me knew how you feel.
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by Steve
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11/17/07 11:48 PM
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Wow! I have to say I was skeptical when I first heard of an outdoor stadium, but these retractable sails, I'm speechless. I think the design is absolutely brilliant. Kudos to the new management. Now it's time to vote yes!
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