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Build it? Yes. Pay for it? No.

Voters support plans for a new Rays stadium - as long as tax dollars aren't involved.

By AARON SHAROCKMAN and MARC TOPKIN
Published November 22, 2007


The telephone survey of 616 city voters was conducted Monday and Tuesday and has a 4 percent margin of error.
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ST. PETERSBURG - City voters are open to the idea of a new downtown waterfront baseball stadium - so long as taxpayers aren't footing the bill, according to a new St. Petersburg Times poll.

Fifty-seven percent of voters surveyed said they would favor plans to build a stadium if no city tax dollars were used. But if St. Petersburg tax dollars were part of the equation, 69 percent said they would oppose the plan.

The telephone survey of 616 city voters was conducted Monday and Tuesday and has a 4 percent margin of error.

"We're confident that the public support will be there after we announce the details of the project and begin discussing all the benefits it will bring to the community," said Michael Kalt, Rays senior vice president of development and business affairs, after seeing a copy of the survey results Wednesday.

The team will unveil its plans next Wednesday.

The Rays' most difficult task may be convincing city voters that the commitment of public resources, such as city-owned Al Lang Field, is not the same as tax dollars.

Respondents were split on whether they believe the money from the sale of Tropicana Field should be used to build a stadium.

They were, however, more likely to favor the Rays' plan if Tropicana was converted into a large mixed-use development that paid local property and state sales taxes.

The results varied depending on the specific question asked.

For instance, only 26 percent favored building a new stadium on Al Lang Field, but 41 percent favored the plan if money from the sale of Tropicana Field was used to make it happen.

And people who attended more than six Rays games last year largely supported a new stadium, even if city tax dollars were part of the equation.

"Baseball should be played outdoors," said Lori Westlund, a 42-year-old city resident who said she attended at least 15 games last year. "And our city's so beautiful, why not showcase it?"

Those who didn't attend a game in 2007 generally needed more convincing.

"I'm getting awful tired of what's going on in all major league sports - the owners of the teams holding cities hostage," said Michael Sagese, 63. "Right now, I can see this whole thing as a ploy. If they don't get this, they're going to move to Tampa."

Nearly 60 percent said they would not consider the team's last-place record a factor when deciding whether to support a new stadium. Only 10 percent rated the Rays ownership as poor.

Team executives have declined to discuss their plans to build a stadium at Al Lang since the Times' Web site, www.tampabay.com, broke the story of their intentions Nov. 9.

The team wants the city to hold a referendum on the stadium plan in November. Voters would have to approve any plan that involves a long-term lease or transfer of the Al Lang site.

Under their plan, the Rays would pay up to a third of the cost to build a 35,000-seat open-air stadium. The team could use money from the sale of Tropicana Field and property taxes generated by the redevelopment of the site to offset additional construction costs. It also likely will seek a $60-million sales tax subsidy from the state.

The Rays said Wednesday that Gov. Charlie Crist, St. Petersburg Mayor Rick Baker and Major League Baseball president Bob DuPuy will all attend an official announcement Wednesday.

The Rays say they intend to share "details and renderings of a new waterfront ballpark and redevelopment of Tropicana Field."

City Council member Bill Foster said the results of the poll were interesting.

"It all depends on how you ask the question," he said. "The numbers were bad if it involved city tax dollars, but they changed if we could sell the Trop and add things to the tax roll."

"It makes the Rays' pitch starting next week all the more important," said City Council Chairman Jamie Bennett.

"If the product is a good sell, if this isn't going to be a hardship on the community, I think they'll be for it," Bennett said.

Aaron Sharockman can be reached at asharockman@sptimes.com or 727 892-2273

 

About the poll

The St. Petersburg Times interviewed 616 registered St. Petersburg voters. The margin of error is 4 percent.

* 53 percent of respondents were women; 47 percent were men.

* 41 percent were 55 or older; 38 percent were 35-54; 21 percent were 18-34.

* 76 percent of respondents were white.

 

[Last modified November 21, 2007, 23:40:52]


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Comments on this article
by Barbara 11/23/07 04:18 PM
I agree with Patty its not what kind of stadium you have but where it is built, why not build something that has easy access and parking, something that is in a central location for both Tampa and St. Pete if it has to be built.
by MarkInTo 11/23/07 11:03 AM
Maybe consider "loaning" any tax $$$ to the Rays at 0% interest? The loan could then be repaid based on performance/attendance stats. This would put the onus on the team to adopt a winning attitude. If you win, then "free" tax $$$.
by tj 11/23/07 10:48 AM
NO way, baseball is a dyig sport and its so boring nobody goes. Don't build another stadium for these overpaid bums.
by tony 11/23/07 06:17 AM
who needs baseball its a slow and boring game.
by Katylee 11/23/07 04:41 AM
NO THANKS!
by Rick 11/22/07 10:38 PM
What is wrong with Tropicana Field, other than playing baseball indoors? Money has been spent to refurbish and upgrade the building for baseball and now they want another one?? Whether it's paid by tax money or not - stay where you are!
by steve 11/22/07 04:42 PM
look what a new stadium did for the bucs and it was partially funded by the taxpayers. give it a chance, we live in the best city in the country. our city allows seems to make the right decisions for it's taxpayers.
by JS 11/22/07 02:02 PM
Everyone is so negative. If we build a new park that's nicer and outdoors more people will come. Add to this the fact that we have tons of up and coming talent and will be much better in years to come, I think it's a fantastic idea. I can't wait!
by Paul 11/22/07 01:44 PM
Why are Charlie Crist, Rick Baker and the Rays all going to appear on Nov 28 to announce the new plan? Sounds like the Sunshine Laws aren't working quite right. Why am I, a citizen of St Pete, left in the dark while a business gets access to my govt?
by Michael 11/22/07 11:47 AM
Let them go....and please let them go further than Tampa.
by bl 11/22/07 11:19 AM
RAYS are a SCAM! Go someplace else.
by Dave 11/22/07 10:18 AM
WHEN RAYS BUILD NEW SCHOOLS, WE'LL PAY FOR NEW STADIUM. Until we invest in our children, we should not be throwing more money at a losing baseball team.
by Lowell 11/22/07 09:46 AM
Who needs the Rays. They are a bunch of losers who have brought nothing to our community but problems. Send them to Tampa. We can't afford anymore of their nonsense.
by Jan 11/22/07 09:27 AM
The Rays are a business. In their time in St. Petersburg they have not proven to be an income-generator for downtown merchants. They are a losing team, to boot. They should pay their own way.
by jd 11/22/07 09:03 AM
no stadium, no money
by Patti 11/22/07 08:46 AM
As long as we are going to sell out all of St. Petes waterfront to developers and empty stadiums, maybe we should consider changing the name of the city as well. The "green" St. Pete that past generations voted to keep in tact is quickly disappearing
by sickof them 11/22/07 08:40 AM
I'm sick of subsidizing fat team owers who reap in the profits. Even if these guys weren't losers (and they are, year after year)why should he public share this private industry's risk? Tax break, my a**.
by Patti 11/22/07 08:32 AM
Build it, yes! On our waterfront,NO. The one thing we have that other cities don't,"green" waterfront. Building it on site of Derby Lane with ample parking and easy access from Tampa,Clearwater and St.Pete would better serve everyone in the bay area
by Pete 11/22/07 08:24 AM
Why not keep the dome and turn the property into a convention center. Home shows, boat shows, concerts etc will be hosted there and add more hotels and mixed housing
by Andrew 11/22/07 08:17 AM
with a record of 66 wins and 96 losses if they want a new stadium to lose games in they should pay for it and if they want to jump ship and move to Tampa, let them, maybe then our city will deal with the homeless problem we have...
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