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Idea is fine, but execution is suspect
By JOHN ROMANO, Times Columnist
Published November 29, 2007
ST. PETERSBURG - Before we proceed with the arguments, the name-calling and the avalanche of high-end statistics most of us don't understand, let us begin with this premise:
The Rays eventually had to trade Delmon Young.
Why?
Because they need pitching. Because Young does not fit their ideal of a patient hitter. Because he had been talking about wanting to leave before he even arrived. Because, two sentences later, they still need pitching.
Because Rocco Baldelli and Elijah Dukes have virtually no trade value. Because B.J. Upton is the best player on the roster, and they're not going to trade him. Because Carl Crawford's departure would create a torrent of horrible publicity for a team about to put its future behind the curtains of a voting booth.
So, yes, in that context, it makes sense to trade Young.
I'm just not sure now is the right time. And I'm not sure the players involved from Minnesota's end are a sufficient return.
The key to trading Young is acknowledging that you are giving up a player with the ability to be a 10-time All-Star. A player who can hit in the middle of a lineup for years to come. A player who could allow Chuck LaMar to rest easier at night knowing the Bobby Abreu deal may not always be considered the worst trade in franchise history.
With that possibility of extreme seller's remorse, it is imperative the Rays get equal impact in return. And that's where this deal is open to debate.
Look, Matt Garza is good. He's very good. He may have been the best pitcher in minor-league baseball in 2006, and Baseball Prospectus had him among the top right-handed prospects in the game last spring. He would immediately become Tampa Bay's No.3 starter, and could even be No.2.
But Garza is less of a proven commodity than Young. And his upside does not appear quite as high. Which means the Rays need more quality in return from the Twins.
That is where Jason Bartlett comes in. Bartlett has been Minnesota's starting shortstop for the past season and a half and has done an acceptable job. He's a decent hitter, and supposedly a better fielder than the numbers show.
He is certainly an upgrade in the Rays lineup, and he isn't eligible for free agency for another three years.
I just worry, in this case, whether it's good enough on the risk/reward scale.
In the end, the Rays have traded a potential superstar for a very good pitcher and a serviceable shortstop. It's certainly a subjective argument, but it doesn't feel like enough on a gut-level reaction.
"This makes us a much better team," Rays vice president Andrew Friedman said. "When you acquire players you target, in return you have to give up a lot."
Once again, I think trading Young is the logical move for the Rays. They have a surplus of position players, and he makes the most sense for a variety of reasons. But he is barely 22 and five years from free agency.
So what was the rush?
I know the Rays feel Young is far too impatient as a hitter. He strikes out too much and walks too little. He swings at too many first pitches and doesn't know how to work a count. He has a great arm but is not fundamentally sound on defense. And then there is the petulance that even the hopelessly optimistic Joe Maddon grew tired of.
But even with all of those flaws, Young was one of the most impressive rookies in the majors. He was a better hitter in the second half of 2007 than he was in the first, and it makes sense he will be a better hitter in 2008 than he was last season. If he just repeated his rookie season, he would have still had high value. If he kicked it up a notch, the Rays would have had a lesser version of this winter's Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes.
So, again, what was the rush?
If a team were willing to blow the Rays away with a trade today then, by all means, do it. If the Rays could get a No.1 pitcher, or a package of players too good to pass up, than deal away.
But I don't think this qualifies as a no-brainer. I don't think you hear these names and immediately high-five the person sitting next to you. I don't think you go to bed feeling like regret is a distant rumor.
Of course, this is Friedman's job. This is what he and the Rays front office think about day after day, loss after loss. They have more information than you or I. They have much more at stake.
So, from that perspective, I would hope this looks like a slam dunk to them. I would hope they have examined all possibilities and are absolutely certain this is the best time to trade Young and these are the best players they can possibly get.
I hope they are right.
Because they are going to live with this trade for a long, long time.
John Romano can be reached at romano@sptimes.com.
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by Kyle
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11/30/07 11:57 AM
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Jackson showed enough second half to justify sticking with him. It wasn't Maddons fault he was out of options. Baez wasn't worth $5mil to keep him. Guys with range like Bartlett also make more errors because they get to more balls. Good trade.
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by Lee
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11/30/07 12:24 AM
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Wasn't Ben Zobrist a SS Andrew Freidman targeted when he traded Aubrey Huff?? Wasn't Edwin Jackson a player Andrew Freidman targeted when he traded Danys Baez?? So now he has targeted Garza and Bartlett. This trade will be Andrew Freidman's job!!!
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by Tony
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11/29/07 06:15 PM
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i agree with romano. garza is a still question mark whereas young was a known quantity with great potential (and fixable flaws). pitching won't be 'solidified' until someone with a history of 10-12 win seasons comes on board. this is a dice roll.
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by Justin
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11/29/07 04:12 PM
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Do you people know what your talking about. We needed a SP, RP, and SS. Thats exactly what we got. PITCHING WINS! DY has little plate discipline and is a cancer.
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by Al
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11/29/07 04:00 PM
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Is B Harris just an after thought in your head concerning this trade?... What, is he "serviceable" as well?... They dont get rid of Zobrist.. they got rid of Harris!!... and you write nothing about that.
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by Tony
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11/29/07 12:19 PM
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How can you write an article about this trade and not even mention Eduardo Morlan? Most in the Twins organization considered him to be their closer of the future, and he's been ranked as high as the 4th best Twins' prospect by some scouting services.
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by jp
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11/29/07 12:02 PM
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The Mets paid CASH for Stokes? Maybe the Rays front office isn't the worst in baseball.Perhaps we could get Milledge for a package of Balfour&Wheeler?
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by Pat
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11/29/07 11:23 AM
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John as a guy who's in the clubhouse everyday you know what kind of a jerk this guy is. If he threw another bat at someone or did something else stupid his value would drop dramatically. I'd think as a guy who had to deal with him you'd be thrilled!
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by Steve
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11/29/07 11:04 AM
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You guys deserve to get fleeced after stealing Kazmir for Victor Zambrano! lol. Seriously though, I think this trade just legitimized your pitching staff, that was my first reaction.
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by Mike
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11/29/07 09:57 AM
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This is a good trade. We have 3 solid starters that we can count on. We can now move Neimann to the bullpen. Our fans are horrible, they complain about pitching, and when we get it for a guy with a bad attitude, they still complain!
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by Dave
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11/29/07 09:50 AM
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This smells a little like Lamar's blunder. A young, future outfield superstar getting traded away and receiving a mediocre, light hitting, stop-gap shortstop in return. Luckily for the Rays, Garza's development will ultimately make or break the deal.
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by Woody
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11/29/07 09:45 AM
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Exactly right. All we can do is HOPE they know what they're doing. If Young improves, he's a young M. Cabrera. What if he continues being a grumpy, undisciplined, timebomb? If Roses & Rainbows Maddon already has issues with him, there's that risk.
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by Ben
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11/29/07 09:35 AM
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I'm so glad they got rid of Delmon. He isn't half the coffee cup artist that Rocco is! Delmon is too busy getting hits and gunning runners out! We need a guy who sits on the bench 120 games a year sketching teammates faces on styrofoam! What a stiff!
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by Jeff
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11/29/07 08:30 AM
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Trades are always tough to evaluate early on, but I think DY is the best player in the deal so from that standpoint the Twins won. Rays have more OF prospects too (F. Perez) so just have to wait before we can really judge. GO RAYS!
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by Matt
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11/29/07 08:23 AM
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Frankly we do not need starting pitching. We have tons. Price, Townsend, Davis, Mcgee are all sitting in the minors. We have to bring them up some time. And now we have too many, so what do we do at this point?
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by stan
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11/29/07 08:08 AM
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This is why the Devil Rays are where they are in baseball. You have the best young outfield in baseball and you trade it away. If a trade needed to be made it should have offer up Baldelli and Dukes, but not Young. Soon nobody will coming to the game
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by jp
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11/29/07 07:06 AM
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BULLSEYE!I agree 100% with this article. Where is this surplus of OFs?Baldelli?Gomes?Dukes?Harris is as good a plug-in as Bartlett.At least Rays fans will still get to BOO Delmon at the Trop. Antiepstein strikes again!another #1 pick wasted.
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by Jim
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11/29/07 06:09 AM
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These types of moves are always going to be met with detractors, but let's be honest, this IS an honest attempt at getting better. Let's give the Rays their due, Kazmir will bolt if things aren't shored up,..noone wants that.
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by Ron
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11/29/07 04:50 AM
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I would've preferred Cain or Lincecum too,but Garza can be an outstanding young pitcher too.With the likes of Kaz,Shields,Garza,Price,McGee,Davis,and Hellickson,no other team can match those 7.We can only hope that Rocco can now stay healthy.
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by Mike
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11/29/07 12:56 AM
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Good Lamar jab Romano, those never get old, never will that trade for an organization with stop gaps at SS since. Time will tell with this trade, I would've prefered a deal w/ the Giants for Cain or Lincecum or even more in return from the Twins.
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