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Complaint targets VA psych staff
Treatment by unlicensed psychologists doesn't affect patient care at Haley, the VA says.
By WILLIAM R. LEVESQUE, Times Staff Writer
Published December 4, 2007
TAMPA - Providing the very best mental health care to soldiers returning from combat in Iraq and Afghanistan is one of the highest priorities for the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.
But at the nation's busiest VA hospital, the James A. Haley VA Medical Center in Tampa, the most-troubled and vulnerable veterans are often treated by the least-experienced psychologists, according to a complaint to the state.
About 12 of Haley's 34 psychologists - more than a third - are unlicensed and receive little if any direct supervision, according to a complaint filed Nov. 29 with the Florida Board of Psychology.
The VA disagrees with the complaint's figure, saying just nine are unlicensed.
The complaint, filed by Haley psychologist Brian Nussbaum, said some of these psychologists still use the title of either "psychologist" or "clinical psychologist" with patients.
If true, that would violate state law.
In an interview on Monday, Nussbaum said three of the four psychologists working in Haley's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Clinic are unlicensed. Nussbaum is the only licensed psychologist in the clinic.
And he said Haley's suicide-prevention coordinator also is an unlicensed psychologist.
Nussbaum, who agreed to an interview after the St. Petersburg Times obtained a copy of his complaint, said he fears patient care is endangered by this inexperience.
Unlicensed psychologists, he said, are typically people who have recently obtained their psychology doctorate and have far less clinical experience than their licensed counterparts.
"I have nothing to gain by doing this and everything to lose," he said. "The majority of mental health services provided to our newest generation of veterans is being provided by our least-experienced staff."
VA officials denied that patient care is impacted and said that all unlicensed psychologists receive ample supervision and are on track to receive their licenses in the future.
Florida and federal law allows unlicensed psychologists to work as long as they receive constant supervision, the VA and state said.
Regional VA spokesman John Pickens said the VA places the highest priority on veteran mental health treatment and that unlicensed psychologists do receive constant supervision.
"I'm fearful these sorts of allegations are going to cause veterans to think that the care we provide is less than what they deserve," said Pickens. "The VA at Tampa and nationally has done a very good job treating vets."
Nussbaum said what is happening at Haley is not the norm. But a national VA spokesman did not return a call asking about VA hiring policy.
At the Bay Pines VA Medical Center in St. Petersburg, which also operates a PTSD clinic, none of the hospital's 22 psychologists are unlicensed, said Pickens.
Some veteran advocates questioned the practice of relying heavily on unlicensed psychologists at a time when the numbers of veterans requiring mental health treatment is increasing.
"How would you feel going to the airport and getting on an airplane and finding out the pilot didn't have a license?" said Michael O'Rourke, an assistant director of veteran health policy with Veterans of Foreign Wars. "Experience counts."
To obtain a state license, the state says an applicant must complete 2,000 hours of supervised clinical work, which must include a supervisor reviewing their notes.
In addition, the state says applicants must have two hours of direct supervision each week with a licensed psychologist. At least one hour must be face-to-face, rather than over the phone.
"For many of these unlicensed psychologists, there is no face-to-face supervision," Nussbaum's letter said. "For others, there is sporadic supervision, clearly not meeting the required two hours per week."
In his complaint, Nussbaum said the Haley doctor who supervises most of the unlicensed people, Arthur Rosenblatt, cannot provide adequate oversight. Rosenblatt could not be reached to comment.
"It is not possible for him to solely provide the supervision of such a large quantity of trainees in addition to his many other duties, especially since many of these staff are placed in outlying clinics 45-plus miles away (where they function independently) and rarely, if ever, see one another face-to-face," Nussbaum's letter said.
Complaints to the Board of Psychology, a division of the Florida Department of Health, are confidential and the department won't comment on or confirm a pending complaint.
The state investigates such complaints and can take a range of actions, from suspending a license to levying a fine against anyone accused of misconduct.
But it was unclear Monday whether the state has jurisdiction over the VA.
Nussbaum would not speculate about why he thinks Haley has hired so many unlicensed practitioners. O'Rourke at the VFW said the VA is struggling to find qualified mental health personnel.
The VA employs 10,000 mental health professionals nationally, up 15 percent since 2003.
Nussbaum said veterans deserve care from the most-experienced professionals available.
Unlicensed psychologists "often lack the specialized skills and experience that this extremely sensitive population of veterans often requires," Nussbaum said. "They've been in combat. Developing a strong, empathetic relationship with them is essential.
"That's something not easily taught in a class," he said. "It takes experience."
Times staff writer William R. Levesque can be reached at (813) 226-3436 or levesque@sptimes. How to get help
Veterans who are suicidal or have concerns about other mental health issues can call the VA at 1-800-273-TALK (8255).
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by Susan
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12/31/07 12:03 PM
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Mental health hiring I encountered was in the hands of outside contractors who won't hire graduate master's degree level family therapists unless they are already licensed. (Even to work under supervision until we get licensure). This surprises me.
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by 100% RATED FOR ptsd
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12/21/07 12:33 AM
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I'm paying for ALL my psych med care! The (Oklahoma VA)Chief of staff (Mohamed Koduri) REFUSES to treat me. He sent me letters of legal threats if I dare try to change the "LACK" of treatment. I also suffer from a blood condition & kidney failure!
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by Reuben
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12/09/07 01:12 PM
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To treat these Vets with band-aids when licensed and skilled psychologists are truly needed...is obscene! These vets too have paid a high price in service to their country...the least we can do is provide them with skilled and trained assistance!
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by Robin
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12/05/07 07:14 PM
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l so wanted to let you know that my husband Michael,and myself back Dr. Brian Nussbaum 100%. he is my husbands group Dr.We want to thank him for his help. For sticking it out for the Vets when VA has dropped the ball.
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by Michael
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12/05/07 06:20 PM
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I have Had V.A relocate my Phsycoligist,cause my perscribing Dr. quit, and yet i am still without a new Dr.s, One Doctor there today , when i asked about medication, told me she did not want to get involved.
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by Cyn
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12/05/07 05:59 PM
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Unlicensed does not mean untrained. Most Residents are trained at the VAs as students, and are trained on the jobsite. They probably learn more about working with veterans than someone from the private sector.
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by William
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12/04/07 09:46 PM
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Its all in the representation you, as a resident has in your state. Take a look at http://www.wesupportthevets.com to see the article about Senator Barbara Boxer getting funding for the PTSD and brain center for vets in S.F. Excuse link.
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by LibbyRal
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12/04/07 09:11 PM
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Strawman argument comparing VA care to 'Socialized Medicine'. Socialized medicine would include all medical providers, so you wouldn't have the shortages present in the limited VA system.
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by anonymous
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12/04/07 04:20 PM
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The VA does the best it can with the resources it's given by our government. If you feel the VA is underfunded, and this is why the psychologists aren't trained, why not lobby Congress to increase funding?
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by Leo
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12/04/07 04:12 PM
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I had a aortic aneurism back in March. Very serious and could be deadly. I was operated on in Biloxi, Ms. I have never had better care in any facility. I was in ICU for 9 day's and everyone was great. Doing well now.
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by Mike
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12/04/07 12:33 PM
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Another example of the Republican Administration trying to save money instead of doing the job right. Gov't can work if the right mind set is used instead of trying to do gov't work on the cheap, cheaper, CHEAPEST. We need to fund adequately - NOW!!
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by CK
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12/04/07 10:53 AM
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Keep all of this in mind when you think about whether or not you want socialized medicine (HilaryCare!). The government can't take care of our vets - how will they take care of everyone?
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by Erik
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12/04/07 09:56 AM
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That one of their own VA staff needed to go public with his concerns indicates a culture of making do with cheaper therapists. The bottom line financially drives decisions even in the Federal system too. The VA should work to get them licensed.
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by Dahli
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12/04/07 09:42 AM
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Typical excuse by VA. These poor veterans with PTSD will be needing the doctors medical notes to verify if they can claim PTSD as SC disability. How can an untrained, unlicensed shrink share this information correctly.
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by Terri
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12/04/07 09:26 AM
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My Husband went to the NPR location and at the end of the appt, the dr asked him what his name was. Pretty efficient huh? What about going to the Psychiatrist and having him talk only 15 mintues and then say you're doing well, but prescribe meds.
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by Voice of Reason
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12/04/07 08:01 AM
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Here we go again with another St.Pete Times sensational attempt to undermine the valiant efforts of those that serve our Veterans at the one of our Nations highest rated Veteran's Hospitals.Mean spirited stories like these serve no purpose.
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by william
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12/04/07 07:41 AM
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Thank you Mr. Levesque!! the vets here at Bay Pines thank you.lets take a look at those who read the xrays and catscans and their background.Then lets look into lack/refusal of pain meds @ the Bay Pines Domicillary.How about patient dumping/abandoned
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by AmericanwhoCares
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12/04/07 07:37 AM
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This is a typical VA response. Underfunded and lying all the time. I have no clue why anyone would join the military now with the totally inadequate care they will receive if injured.
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by GulfWarVeteran
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12/04/07 04:34 AM
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James Haley VA is nothing but a "med student-in-training" hallway. Never is there a consistent course of treatment. The licensed psychologists are nothing but ticket punchers and as soon as you walk out the door, they have already forgot your name.
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