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Crist takes 'live and let live' approach to marriage vote
Gay marriage foes get ballot signatures.
By JACOB H. FRIES, Times Staff Writer
Published December 14, 2007
Floridians will almost certainly vote on a proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in November, just don't expect the state's top Republican to stump for it.
"It's not an issue that moves me," Gov. Charlie Crist told reporters Thursday after sponsors of the initiative announced they had enough signatures to get it on the ballot.
Crist is listed as an endorser of the amendment on the Web site, www.florida4marriage.org, and while running for governor, he signed a petition in support of such a ban. But in February, he asked the GOP to stop donating money to the effort and, Thursday, he said he'd rather focus on raising teacher pay, reducing property taxes and combatting climate change.
"I'm just a live and let live kind of guy," the governor said.
The campaign to put a same-sex marriage ban in Florida's Constitution began nearly three years ago. Thursday, proponents announced they had collected the 611,009 signatures required to put the issue before voters. Officially, the petition was still 253 signatures short, but election officials said their data was updated once a day and might not reflect the actual total.
Nevertheless, the initiative's supporters claimed victory.
"The people of Florida have spoken today, and they will speak again on Nov. 4, 2008," said John Stemberger, an Orlando lawyer who leads a coalition of sponsoring groups. "I think the message is timeless and it is clear: Marriage is the union of one man and one woman."
Florida already has a law banning same-sex marriage, but Stemberger said a constitutional amendment was needed to prevent legal challenges in the future. Currently, 27 other states have passed constitutional bans on gay marriage.
"An activist judge, with one stroke of a pen, can shut down a fundamental human institution," he said. "We're here for the long run. ... We're doing this to protect this institution literally for centuries to come in Florida."
Opponents of the measure, however, fervently attacked it, saying that it not only threatens the rights of gay and lesbian people, but all unmarried couples in Florida.
Bentley Lipscomb, former state director of Florida AARP, said the measure could have a large, unintended impact on elderly couples, many of whom don't marry because it would change their Social Security benefits.
"The way they drafted it, it will cause a problem," he said. "Nonmarried couples would not be able to enjoy the same ability to take care of each other. ... Even visiting them in the hospital when they are terminal would be problematic. Then there's the whole question of making decisions about the end of life."
Similar constitutional bans in other states ultimately led to even greater infringement of people's rights, said Stephen Gaskill, a spokesman for Florida Red and Blue, an organization created to oppose the proposal.
"If there's a possibility at all that one Floridian would lose a right they have or a benefit they receive, why would we open the door to that?" Gaskill said. "It's a massive government intrusion into people's personal lives. We don't believe that is where Florida voters want the government to be."
Stemberger countered, saying opponents were uninformed and misleading the public about the real impact.
"It's just a pathetic, desperate strategy," he said.
Times staff writer Asjylyn Loder contributed to this report.
FAST FACTS
The amendment
The amendment would add a new section to Article I: "Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized."
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by crl
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01/03/08 02:58 PM
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Does anyone remember miscegenation laws, cause this sounds an awful lot like them. Different group to dis-enfranchise but the same message of hate. Our founding fathers went to a lot of trouble to avoid a theocracy, let's honor that and vote no.
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by Laurie
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12/20/07 10:06 PM
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Shame of those who support the amendment. I am a devote catholic and this is not the message of Jesus. God does not condemn gays He condemns the hypocrites. Vote NO and start spreading the real word of Christ Voting YES is not the answer
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by Mike
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12/20/07 10:01 PM
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I am a straight 64 year old man. I have lived with a women - my partner for six years we are not married and plan not to. One thing is for sure. This amendment will affect senior citizens in a negative way. floridian seniors JUST VOTE NO!
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by CrazyIvan
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12/16/07 11:55 AM
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To Bleu R: Okay. Let me see if I have this right. You people rail against Jewish people and demand they convert. You rail against anyone who doesn't believe as you. Yet you have the nerve to call our disgust with your behavior "hate speech"?
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by mike
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12/15/07 05:46 PM
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how can they these people simultaneously be so militant for jesus on this (non)issue and then complain about the war on christianity? they bring it on themselves. oh bittersweet irony. that sound you hear is thomas jefferson spinning in his grave.
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by Bleu Rybobier
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12/15/07 12:24 AM
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Calling people fundie and bigoted just because they disagree with you sounds like hate speech to me.
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by Anthony
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12/14/07 11:06 PM
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The governor says "live and let live". If you don't support same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex! Who are you to decide that I cant declare my love for my partner? And for that matter, doesn't Christ preach "Love is above all"??
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by Tom
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12/14/07 10:14 PM
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Finally, a Republican worth voting for.
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by Tripoli
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12/14/07 07:50 PM
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Richard, where is God or Jesus or Christianity mentioned in the Constitution? I do recall, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Religion was left out on purpose.
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by Walter
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12/14/07 06:10 PM
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amen to the constitutional amendment , to stop homosexuals from taking over everything there is including marriage
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by Kevin
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12/14/07 06:08 PM
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I want to sponsor a co-amendment to criminalize "Christian" people attempting to force their belief system, however hypocritical it is, on others. The Constitution says freedom FROM religion, too, you know. Go see "Father child molester" and repent!!
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by rick the left
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12/14/07 05:54 PM
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aswr to brian: the same amount pushing neo con christian values as the ones with wide legs in the tolit, page boys, answering machine with male escorts, shall i go on?? me thinks they protest to much hmmmmmm....think about it.
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by Jeffmc
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12/14/07 05:04 PM
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If change is not a plan of the goverment, then the people will make plans without the goverment. God has blessed Charlie with Presidential leadership and his voice is the peoples. Just not the voice of people living with judgment. TY St.Pete Warrior!
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by Brian
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12/14/07 04:05 PM
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I wonder how many people who signed this and plan on voting for it to "protect marriage" have been divorced?
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by Pat
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12/14/07 03:53 PM
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Richard shame on you, don't force your neo-con fake christian values on people
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by FRANKIE
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12/14/07 03:50 PM
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By the way where is "MRS. CRIST" maybe remodeling the closet?????
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by Bill
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12/14/07 03:21 PM
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Florida should not be in the business of marriage licenses. States should go to civil unions for all and leave marriages (and bigotry) to the churches.
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by Laura
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12/14/07 03:17 PM
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Thank you Charlie Crist!
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by Terri
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12/14/07 03:09 PM
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My sister is gay and she hid it from our family for a long time. While it is not my choice of a lifestyle, it is not my right to CONDEMN or JUDGE someone. This is why people hide it from their families. Isn't our country called the land of the free?
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by frank
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12/14/07 03:01 PM
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i think i'll start calling crist "the pancake" or the "the perch" because of his flip flopping. first he signs it, then it "does not move" him. looks like he found his true calling.
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by JH
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12/14/07 02:36 PM
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Not only is it writing discrimination into our Const, but it is also apparently redundant. There's already a law. How many times can you beat a dead horse?
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by Dave
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12/14/07 02:32 PM
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Hey fundie bigoted Christians: If gay people are going to spend all eternity in Hell, while you're dancing with baby Jesus for one million years, why can't you even give them a few years of happiness on this planet? Are you that mean?
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by Paul
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12/14/07 02:29 PM
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To all you of you young people who hate gays, I believe in karma, what goes around comes around, and a good number of you are going to have gay kids, and then you'll have some idea of how it feels to be derided and the pain you have caused us.
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by yvette
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12/14/07 02:22 PM
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Richard, by "Christian principles" do you mean slavery? And if you don't like liberals than don't read the paper or the comments.
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by Mike
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12/14/07 02:12 PM
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Question for Danielle (see below): when you were on your time traveling journey to the present, did it hurt when you physically fell out of your time machine? How will you explain the bump when you return to the mid-1940s?
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by James
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12/14/07 01:48 PM
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Charlie Crist campaigned as a defender of traditional marriage. I received several of his campaign flyers stating he support the constitutional amendment defending marriage. This is just another broken promise from Charlie Crist. He's lost my trust.
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by mikey
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12/14/07 01:39 PM
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Way to go Charlie, don't let the Taliban(fundamentalists) get another one over on us.
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by Paul
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12/14/07 01:31 PM
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What's unhealthy to society is people pushing their religion on others. If people are in love, let them live their life. It is none of your business.
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by Jeff - Beginning
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12/14/07 01:12 PM
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To pseudo Christians out there who claim homosexuality as against the bible, get real. It depends how you interpret the bible. I am a hetero Christian. I am not threatened by homosexuality.
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by dorothy
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12/14/07 12:58 PM
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Charlie Crist is gay, yes?
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by Pops
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12/14/07 12:52 PM
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If you don't believe in gay marriage don't marry a gay. How simple does it have to be?
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by emily
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12/14/07 12:44 PM
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i think it is nobodys business how people live their lives or who they chose to marry. it is not for the government to decide. if you don't like it don't look!mind your own business. would you want people telling you who you could marry?
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by Nick
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12/14/07 12:29 PM
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I feel for the homosexual community. They can't out-breed those who continue to make babies for Jesus to carry on the crusade against those with differing views or lifestyles. It's no wonder the far right is gaining momentum.
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by Danielle
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12/14/07 11:41 AM
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marriage is a union between a man and a woman..anything else is just unhealthy to the society and degrades the morals on how we raise our children.
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by Tony
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12/14/07 11:40 AM
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There are far more important issues than this. quit wasting time and tax payer dollars on something this silly
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