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Tumult taints plaza's safety

Christmas night near BayWalk turns scary, with gunfire, pepper spray and arrests.

By CRISTINA SILVA, JACOB H. FRIES and CASEY CORA, Times Staff Writers
Published December 27, 2007


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The second melee in three years near BayWalk has renewed questions about safety at the downtown entertainment complex.

One person was shot, several were pepper-sprayed and at least five were arrested after a series of shootings and brawls on Christmas Day.

"It was as frightening a moment in my city's downtown as I've ever had," said Bill Foster, a City Council member who walked through the complex about 10 p.m. Tuesday after watching a movie with his family. "It was just mass chaos. ... You had to go single file and weave your way through the masses to get to Second Avenue. Once there, there was no police presence."

Foster sensed trouble, so he took his family home and returned to BayWalk at 10:30 p.m. Young people were openly smoking marijuana. Teens packed the complex's courtyard shoulder to shoulder. Police and security forces were overmatched, he said.

Then he heard the first round of gunfire. Then a second. Each time, people scrambled for cover.

"It was a recipe for disaster, and we were ill prepared," said Foster, who wrote a memo to Mayor Rick Baker and police Chief Chuck Harmon detailing his experience. "I think there's plenty of blame to share."

It was the second large disturbance at BayWalk in three years. In January 2005, a series of brawls led to the arrests of 17 people, including seven juveniles, on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to battery on a law enforcement officer.

Before BayWalk opened in 2000, downtown often emptied at dusk. Now the complex of restaurants, bars, retail stores and 20-screen movie theater attracts 3-million to 4-million visitors a year, transforming the area into a congested hub of commercial activity.

But it is also a magnet for young people, who sometimes become unruly and cause headaches for police.

Usually authorities break up the crowd of youths "and they walk peacefully home," said George Kajtsa, a St. Petersburg police spokesman. "There were crowds on Christmas last year, but there were no fights, no shootings, no nothing. This year the difference was we had a few troublemakers."

Tuesday's melee began as police started to clear teenagers from the center of BayWalk's Mediterranean-style courtyard at 10 p.m. in accordance with the complex's curfew for unsupervised minors.

After curfew, throngs of teens are commonly ushered onto a closed off portion of Second Avenue N between the BayWalk shopping plaza and a walkway leading to the parking garage. Asked if that presents a potentially volatile situation, Kajtsa said officers regularly monitor the area.

On Tuesday night, the courtyard had been filled with a crowd of would-be movie patrons who were turned away from the Muvico theater because many shows were sold out.

As police arrived to escort the youths and adults off of the premises, an unidentified man in a nearby alley fired a gun seven times into the air.

"Everyone ran in every direction," Kajtsa said.

About the same time, Ricardo Dyce, 20, was standing at the corner of First Avenue S and First Street just after 11 p.m., police said, when a white, late model Dodge Charger drove by. A passenger in the Dodge opened fire, striking Dyce once in the right calf, police said.

Witnesses told investigators they saw Dyce and the man believed to be the shooter arguing about remarks made to Dyce's girlfriend before the gunfire erupted.

It is unclear how many shots were fired, but Kajtsa said no shell casings were recovered at the scene.

Roughly a dozen emergency units responded. Dyce was taken to Bayfront Medical Center.

Within 15 minutes of the shooting, 23-year-old Curtis Donaldson threw a wad of dollar bills into the air outside of BayWalk and caused a stampede, police said. Donaldson was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

Shortly after, a person walking near Second Avenue NE and Beach Drive was punched and threatened with a handgun, police said.

The victim ran to the Pier to call police, Kajtsa said. No arrests were made.

Police also responded to about eight people fighting near the corner of Third Avenue N and First Street at 12:30 p.m. After several attempts to disrupt the fight, an officer pepper-sprayed into the group, Kajtsa said.

Jessica N. Williams, 20, of St. Petersburg and three juveniles were each charged with one count of misdemeanor disorderly conduct, Kajtsa said.

BayWalk officials said security was beefed up in anticipation of the busy holiday night but declined to say how many officers were on duty.

"Our team was amply staffed, more than normal," said Amber Overby, a spokeswoman for Sembler Co., which owns and manages BayWalk. "They did a great job of clearing out the plaza."

Overby pointed out that many of the fights and shootings took place outside of BayWalk.

"We depend on people to monitor their own behavior once they leave the property," she said.

Muvico manager Laurie Parra declined to discuss Tuesday's incident but said the theater's staffers lock entrance doors "when no movies are available."

Foster, the council member, worried about the lingering effects the incident could have on downtown.

"Every time something like this happens, we suck a little more life out of BayWalk," he said. "Every time it dies a little more. ... There are many other venues to watch a movie and this one is getting a reputation that people think, 'Why bother.'"

Times researcher Caryn Baird contributed to this report. Cristina Silva can be reached at csilva@sptimes.com or 727 893-8836.

[Last modified December 26, 2007, 23:39:11]


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by Amanda 12/28/07 10:01 AM
The only thing that scares me in baywalk is the filth! Not to mention the homeless beggers that follow you to your car asking for money. Clean up the streets!
by chuck 12/27/07 08:23 PM
Bill foster will walk the streets with his sound meter to find bars with there music to loud so he can be in his seat to hear people of well know bars plead their case. But how many people or children needs to get hurt, robbed, and someday killed.
by Breaker 12/27/07 07:48 PM
Allow the police to do their job and things will get real quiet real quick! They live in fear especially after all the slack they took in the tent slashing incident! Where's old Philly Mayor Rizzo when you need him?! He didn't put up with any b.s.!
by Jason 12/27/07 04:51 PM
Why do my comments never show up?????
by Gene 12/27/07 03:24 PM
What you are seeing is a direct result of our last 2 spineless mayors and council members kowtowing to the Uhurus by giving criminals kids scholarships and naming gyms after criminals. All in the name of preventing southside riots. Thanks Rick & co
by B 12/27/07 03:21 PM
Those are not "ghetto thugs" you are all so afraid of. Those are your own mischievous children who only pose as the ghetto thugs on the weekends when you are not around. The "crips and bloods" have better things to do than ruin your movie experience
by Truth 12/27/07 02:58 PM
It seems the Times editors are holding back on printing comments once again. Last comment I show was at 10:00 and not for a second do I believe that no one else has commented. Guess you're busy protecting Ricky and his regime.
by Sue 12/27/07 02:49 PM
We stopped going to Baywalk years ago because of the rude, obnoxious teens hanging out there. This incident is no surprise and St. Pete is a powder keg waiting to explode. This is also why we have bought property out of state to escape to.
by Lynn 12/27/07 12:36 PM
Overby's comment is ridiculous. Is she saying people aren't expected to monitor their behavior on property? Is she saying the police aren't needed outside of the BayWalk property? Put a wall, metal detectors/searches at entry gates/fee to enter.
by William 12/27/07 12:33 PM
It would appear that the mayor and city council don't have the courage to deal with the crime or homeless problem. Judging by the respect our "leaders" show for City Hall property, why protect Baywalk or anywhere else?
by Mel 12/27/07 12:25 PM
Puh-Lease! There are no crips or bloods in St Pete. No one here is organized enough to be in a gang. These are simply children with probably no home training and nothing to do. So all you ignorant and clueless people please get a grip!
by Matt 12/27/07 12:19 PM
Anything less than an extreme crack down on the situation at Baywalk would be less than acceptable.
by BAB 12/27/07 11:25 AM
Wake up police, city officials, parents - it takes all of us. I would love a safe downtown - it will take a new mindset. Good luck with the re-development of the Trop if you can't make a few blocks near Bay Walk safe. How can we ALL help?
by Al 12/27/07 11:18 AM
Baywalk should try something that's worked elsewhere. Play nothing but music by Glenn Miller, Perry Como, Pat Boone and Rosemary Clooney on their outdoor sound system. Same effect as turning on the kitchen lights and seeing roaches scurry for cover.
by Perry 12/27/07 11:04 AM
I just feel sick about this. Part of me says lets just put in metal detectors and 50 armed guards. Perhaps the city should consider closing off streets around Baywalk and establishing a security perimeter, but call it a pedestrian zone.
by Rob 12/27/07 10:59 AM
A, you have the problem right there in your response! Nothing for them to do. The parents or parent does nothing to involve their child into anything productive! Parents give you kids some direction or they will blaze their own path.
by KD 12/27/07 10:52 AM
Who wants to live downtown if it is becoming over run with gang activity? This city is going to get a bad reputation quick if the police don't keep these kids inline... There is no easy solution except constant police presence... CONSTANT presence.
by Bob 12/27/07 10:47 AM
A handful of pencil necks in white uniforms is "amply staffed"? Give me a break. The Simon company figured out how to deal with loitering trouble-makers (dress code) Sembler needs to spend the money and do the same. By the way, Baywalk is for sale
by Tim 12/27/07 10:44 AM
Don't these losers have somewhere else to hang out? I don't get it why these teenage losers hang out at a movie theatre w/o any desire of attending a movie either. If they want to act like elementary kids, them treat them the same.. What losers!
by A 12/27/07 10:00 AM
I like how the opening paragraphs lump the police pepper spraying a group of fighting people in with attempted murder with a firearms, to show the pandemonium.
by Viking 12/27/07 09:55 AM
I feel sorry for the owners and business people who put up their hard earned money to pay high rents there and try and make a buck or two. Then you have the Crips and Blood PUNKS come down and start riots and wreck the place.ACLU and NAACP to blame.
by IKim 12/27/07 09:48 AM
I remember when on First Ave/31 St. Theater had people talking during the movie we stopped going. But this is rich people area. It will be cleaned up. Put a theater in the south side area.
by Pete 12/27/07 09:44 AM
Police presence near Baywalk is weak at best, and officers need to be more aggressive in enforcement. My lazst trip to this crime den...esepcially the dangerous and unpatrolled parking garage. Hello Parkside Movies!
by Jimmy 12/27/07 08:49 AM
If they are not buying anyhting,they shouldnt be allowed to loiter.i live 8 blocks from baywalk yet go to pinellas park for a dinner/movie. Baywalk has been taken over by 18 yr old thugs who do nothing for this city!Parents of these kids have no clue
by Linda 12/27/07 08:44 AM
I am very concerned about this. My husband and ten year old daughter were there as it happened. They were leaving a movie. She was very upset when they came home. My husband even said he didn't feel safe. Not good entertainment, if you ask me.
by Lisa 12/27/07 08:39 AM
The same thing happened in Atlanta's Buckhead. When ghetto thugs invade what is normally a nice area business patrons and civilized citizens stay home. This is the beginning of the end for Baywalk.
by James 12/27/07 08:16 AM
The parents are also responsible as well. Wake up people! we have serious problems with some of youth.
by Marty S. 12/27/07 07:58 AM
Hey Commissioner Foster - If illegal open pot smoking offends you then may I suggest you not attend the MLK parade in three weeks. Excellant spin that this all occurred "off" Baywalk property - Yeah, that makes it better. SPPD is an ill staffed joke
by Michael 12/27/07 07:54 AM
Where are the police in St. Petersburg? Nearly a quarter on the annual city budget goes for Police and Fire and we can't control teenagers having love squabbles. I agree with Foster -- why go to Baywalk and get shot at or have to jostle w/ teens?
by Drew 12/27/07 07:19 AM
More and more young people are being raised without fathers and this is what you get. A lack of respect for each other and authority. More security will need to be visible and troublemakers dealt with before people start going to baywalk at night.
by A 12/27/07 06:29 AM
problems on the rest of the community. Baywalk creates a hazardous situation and should be liable for it's probably irresponsibility in managing that situation. I do not enjoy Baywalk after dark because of kids hanging around with nothing to do.
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