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For some, it no longer pays to be a surgeon
Financial concerns could create a surgeon shortage.
By LISA GREENE, Times Staff Writer
Published December 30, 2007
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[Melissa Lyttle | Times]
Dr. John C. Brock left his post as head of cardiac surgery at Tampa General Hospital to go into anti-aging medicine.
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TAMPA - Dr. Jack Brock still wears blue surgical scrubs each day, even though he no longer needs them.
That's because Brock, once the respected director of cardiac surgery at Tampa General Hospital, no longer spends his days stitching arteries and removing lung tumors. Instead, he has joined an office practicing "anti-aging medicine," where he'll offer weight-loss plans and sell supplements.
Once, Brock saved lives at their most fragile.
"That's what I ... love doing," he said. "But I can't make a living doing it, to be honest with you."
Across the country, doctors in Brock's specialty, thoracic surgery, are leaving the field. Medicare payments for bypass surgeries have dropped 54 percent since 1989. The number of bypass surgeries performed has also dropped, replaced by less-invasive angioplasties and stents.
Brock, 55, said his take-home pay had fallen from $380,000 in the early 1980s to about $80,000. His malpractice insurance cost $70,000 a year, while he was being paid only $1,500 per bypass operation.
Brock says that he's excited about his new work and that he ultimately may save more lives preventing heart disease than he did fixing the damage.
But many doctors in Tampa Bay see Brock's defection in symbolic terms. Brock, after all, was supposed to be at the top of the medical heap. He was performing complex surgeries including heart transplants at a major trauma hospital. He even trained with Dr. Michael E. DeBakey, one of the world's best-known heart surgeons. If Brock is bested by rising malpractice costs and shrinking payments, what hope is there for the rest of medicine?
"He was trained by God," protested Dr. Daniel Greenwald, a Tampa plastic surgeon.
Dr. Neil Alan Fenske, chair of dermatology and cutaneous surgery at the University of South Florida, worries about a shortage of surgeons.
"You can make more money selling vitamins in your office than you can doing cardiovascular surgery. It's insanity," Fenske said. "These are good docs who we desperately need in the system."
"When I was in Pennsylvania, there were cardiothoracic surgeons selling Amway," said Dr. Stephen Klasko, dean of the USF medical school.
Exciting and romantic
Brock and other surgeons are the first to say that even with lower income, these doctors still make plenty of money, though Brock has also started to sell real estate. None of them expect pity. The question is whether their departure will hurt patient care.
In the short run, Brock said, everything's fine. Tampa General has a new cardiac chief and no shortage of heart surgeons. Brock is on call for trauma cases one week each month.
But a few years from now?
"That might be a little dicey," Brock said.
As Brock and other surgeons leave, nobody is replacing them. This year, a third of the nation's 130 fellowship slots to train cardiothoracic surgeons went unfilled.
Instead, bright young medical students are searching for jobs with higher pay and more regular hours. USF has 500 applicants for three dermatology residency slots.
"When Jack trained, the creme de la creme went into cardiac surgery," said Dr. Keith Naunheim, chair of the health policy council for the Society of Thoracic Surgeons. "Heart surgery was not just interesting and exciting, it was romantic. It was the thing to do."
But soon, the shortage of heart surgeons is going to be a problem, Naunheim and other surgeons say.
"The whole Baby Boom population is coming down the pike," Naunheim said. "They're going to need heart valves replaced, lung cancers removed, bypasses. ... The number of people needing to be treated is going to rise dramatically at the same time the number of heart surgeons is going to fall dramatically."
Not everyone believes this. Part of the reason cardiothoracic surgeons make less is because they have less to do. Interventional cardiologists who perform angioplasties - reopening clogged arteries with a balloon - have taken part of their job.
Thoracic surgery is "a dying specialty," Klasko said, and if that's because a less invasive procedure has replaced a more dangerous one, that's a good thing.
"Tomorrow there could be a pill to cure heart disease, and cardiologists will be in the same situation," said Klasko, also vice president of USF Health.
'Is is really worth it?'
Brock himself has moved on.
"Surgery was a great thing to do for 100 years," he said. "But surgery is a pretty gross approach to treatment of disease. We're becoming a lot more sophisticated now. Maybe surgery has run its course."
Brock sat in his office last week, scribbling chemical diagrams on exam table paper, showing how fat affects testosterone. He has always liked knowing how things worked. Growing up in Tampa as the son of a road builder, Brock once built a crude kidney dialysis machine for a high school project, using a laundry tub and outdated blood cajoled from a blood bank.
Now, Brock's focus is on preventing the diseases of aging, especially for middle-aged men, a group that often neglects preventive care.
Brock will help patients lose weight, analyze their blood chemistry and say whether their blood sugar, triglycerides or cholesterol is too high. For some he may prescribe statins; to others, he will sell vitamins and other supplements. He also will treat varicose veins, usually those bad enough to cause medical problems. Zapping harmless spider veins is the only cosmetic work he does.
"Maybe the money is just an excuse," he said. "It's time for me to move on, do something more preventive. I'm going to make my patients live longer."
It's hard to argue with better preventive medicine. But what about the people whose hearts are already damaged, or who have lung cancer, or are hit by a car? For them, a good surgeon can be hard to find.
The number of general surgeons has dropped so fast that last month, a leading medical journal published an article about their "impending disappearance." Finding surgical specialists to staff emergency rooms has become a national crisis. This summer, the American College of Surgeons warned that federal action is needed to address the surgical shortage.
One New York pediatric surgeon told the national surgeon's group he had quit to drive a cab. Naunheim knows a thoracic surgeon who's now treating varicose veins and injecting Botox. In St. Petersburg, vascular surgeon William M. Blackshear Jr. used to spend most of his time doing hospital-based surgeries, from putting in stents to taking out plaque.
Now he spends more time in his office, doing everything from laser vein treatments to weight loss management to injecting Botox. He keeps caring for his longtime patients, but had to make a change to cope with declining insurance payments and rising malpractice costs.
"You get to a point where you say, 'Is this really worth it for the time and work and sweat you put in?'" he said. "The answer for a lot of physicians is no."
Without some changes, these doctors say, the United States is going to find itself with plenty of doctors in certain well-paying specialties, but not enough to do the basic primary care or the critical care for specialties such as Brock's.
"We are going to have the best skin of any country in the world," Naunheim said. "But we're going to end up dying of lung cancer."
Lisa Greene can be reached at lgreene@sptimes.com or (813) 226-3322.
About this series
In coming months, the Times will look at changing forces affecting doctors, medical students and the practice of medicine, and how the decisions doctors make about their careers will affect patients' care.
[Last modified December 29, 2007, 20:56:49]
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by Dave
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01/02/08 05:05 PM
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A lesson can be learned by some of the Amish in this country. Physician groups are insuring families for a fraction of the current cost if the insured will agree to not sue any of them for being "human". What a concept. Any ideas for the rest of us?
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by Jefferson
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01/02/08 02:15 PM
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I wouldn't mind physicians making less if the societal cost of healthcare was declining. More money than ever is in healhcare but has been redistributed to business entities. At 3 A.M. it's not the hmo ceo coming to see you in the er.
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by Ted
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01/01/08 04:59 PM
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The insurance companies cause a huge loss of revenue for doctors due to claims denials - sometimes indiscriminately, in their attempts to make huge profits. There are only a few companies who handle denied medical appeals.
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by Lisa
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01/01/08 12:12 PM
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It's sad to hear that some think that this doc is not helping to heal patients. He is clearly finding new ways to treat the disease b/f it's too late. Some need to remember their overhead and liability $. Their per hr rate is less than min. wage.
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by Sam
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12/31/07 02:58 AM
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The Insurance Industry is the ONLY industry not covered by Anti-Trust laws.
They are going to bankrupt a lot more people than Physicians.
Demand from your politicians that they make the Insurance industry comply with anti-trust laws.
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by Rich
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12/30/07 10:51 PM
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Doctors typically have huge school loans to pay off and also have to delay starting their earning career by 10 years. The $1,500 a surgeon makes ($90K is what the hospital makes) includes 90 days of follow-up, and has to support his overhead!!
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by Greg T
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12/30/07 09:38 PM
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My son is 20 and is in pre-med to become a doctor. I became an insurance agent to support him. If you can't beat them, join them. Insurance makes the money, not the doctors.
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by E.C.
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12/30/07 07:46 PM
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Ari, When you say major heart surgeries are reimbursed at 40K, I think you mean the HOSPITAL ENCOUNTER is 40k. The physician is not getting that- it's the nursing, supply, and other costs for several DAYS of room and board afterward in the hospital.
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by Joe
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12/30/07 07:31 PM
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the reason dr's seemed different years ago was because they were making more money back then. the salaries adj. for inflation were better back in the 60's. therefore, they didn't have to complain. they were fairly compensated. the shortage is real
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by Michael
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12/30/07 06:26 PM
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Who is Jack kidding?
Botox instead of surgery.
It seems to me that the public is lucky that this greedy little man has quit being a "real doctor", and choosen to work on the vain instead of the ones that realy need medical attention.
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by Terryl
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12/30/07 06:07 PM
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Let's see, one studies and trains for 12-14 years and acquires a debt of $120 to 150K to become a doctor. Then, they work 12 to 14 hours or more a day. Their critics should have it so easy.
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by Gene
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12/30/07 05:25 PM
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Was he only working 53 days a year? That is what $80,000 at $1500 per would be. Granted, if he really could only net $10K, he should find more profitable work. Wouldl those who critize here work for that? There is always more to the story.
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by Frankie
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12/30/07 05:04 PM
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I think insurance is sucking up all the money. Surgions in Italy make more money than Doc. Brock. Doc. Debakey the best that ever lived.
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by Mark
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12/30/07 03:09 PM
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btw, that $1500 includes the surgery, and 90 days of after care. these people are very sick and are in the hospital for up to 30 days. on an hour to hour basis my car mechanic makes more. plus, he doesn't have the risk and threat of lawsuits.
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by Joe
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12/30/07 02:59 PM
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this shortage is real and is happening now. i work in neurosurgery. no med students are going into it. good luck if you need an emergency brain surgery. neurosurgeons are few and far between and there are less and less every year.
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by Joe
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12/30/07 02:57 PM
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ari, that reimbursement goes to the hospital not the surgeon. you have to know that the typical surgeon reimbursement for that surgery is about $1,500. get your facts straight and know who you are paying.
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by jim
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12/30/07 02:21 PM
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Ari is wrong.Very little of the $20,000-$40,000 of the procedure goes to the surgeon.St. Pete times article is correct.After cost of doing business Brock was left with $80,000. He can do better tending bar.
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by David
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12/30/07 02:15 PM
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The Tampa community is reaping what it sowed with its record verdict of $217 million dollars against an ER doc last year. You are scaring away your doctors. http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/14/Hillsborough/Stroke_victim_settles.sht
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by Kim
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12/30/07 02:06 PM
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Why should Drs be made gods? They never were and never should be. Yet they are treated as so. Thank God for the new treatments. Thank God for the insurance Co. that bring then down to earth. Teachers are over paid. reduce pay by 50%
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by Jen
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12/30/07 12:36 PM
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Ari, I hope you don't work for a health insurance company. If you do, I don't trust anything you have to add to this.
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by Victroria
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12/30/07 11:55 AM
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Ari, I work in a heart surgeon office, yes reimbursement $1500 for a 4-5 hour surgical case triple bypass. Send us your paitents. We get more funds doing 15 mins procedures inserting ports.
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by Ari
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12/30/07 10:59 AM
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Laughable. A $1,500 dollar reimbursement. What a crock of crap. I work in the health insurance field and heart surgeries can run as high as 90K dollars. Most major heart surgeries are reimbursed around 40K. Give me a Break!
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by Krista
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12/30/07 10:57 AM
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This article did not even touch on the student loan debt that many new physicians are facing. Considering this experienced and respected doctor earned only $80K, recent grads will not be able to afford to repay loans on their lower starting salaries
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by Robert
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12/30/07 10:39 AM
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Doctors are nothing like they were in the 60's when I was young. Now it is ALL about the money. Got to keep their wives in SUV Mercedes and pay for 3 homes. And they see you for 7 minutes then charge $200. Weep for them.
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by John
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12/30/07 10:19 AM
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only $80K a year? I'd take that in a heartbeat.
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by Ben
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12/30/07 09:02 AM
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You idiots are the same ones that think teachers aren't paid enough. Dr's are smartest people we have, they should be paid for it. Lawyers are driving our doctors away....
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by E.C.
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12/30/07 08:52 AM
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Many new MDs have hundreds of thousands of dollars of school loans and can't afford to work on principle alone. Insurance companies create disincentives to provide the care we pay for. The MDs and the patients suffer while insurance gets rich.
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by Lynn
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12/30/07 08:24 AM
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Ouch! These doctors shouldn't care about the money? People should be in a career based on the love of it. But also for the $. I do think many docs may live too lavishly. But tiny insurance payments and prevention is certainly taking it's toll.
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by Tom
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12/30/07 08:15 AM
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Guess this is why so many doctors tell their kids to be lawyers.
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by Michael
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12/30/07 08:01 AM
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You can thank big insurance and our big insurance friendly government for things like this.
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by Jeff
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12/30/07 07:42 AM
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Big deal, these doctors are feeling the economic pinch like everyone else in this country who isnt a corporate CEO.
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by jan
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12/30/07 07:17 AM
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Us boomers remember doctors as healers not earners. Having the skill to save lives then not using it is like standing there and watching someone die when you have the power to save them. The doctors' souls seem sicker than the patients' bodies.
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by ruth
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12/30/07 07:09 AM
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Prevention - yes, being careful of what we put in our bodies and how we take care of the body that God gave us, physically, spiritually and emotionally.
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by HandK
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12/30/07 02:03 AM
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It's good he put down the knife. He shouldn't be in it for the money.
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