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Darwin survives another debate
Foes of new science education standards try a new strategy.
By RON MATUS, Times Staff Writer
Published January 4, 2008
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Rev. Peter Church of Jacksonville listens to comments about new science curriculum standards in Florida schools during a public hearing Thursday night in Jacksonville.
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[Will Dickey | The Florida Times-Union]
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[Will Dickey | The Florida Times-Union]
High School chemistry teacher Kathy Savage, right, of Oviedo talks with Teryn Romaine, a Jacksonville biology teacher, during the public hearing on new science curriculum standards in Florida schools Thursday night.
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JACKSONVILLE - Maybe Darwin's not such a bugaboo after all.
About 120 people gathered at a public hearing in Jacksonville on Thursday to weigh in on the state's proposed new science standards, which embrace Darwin's theory of evolution as the pillar of modern biology. And though Darwin doubters showed up in good numbers - some of them to advance a new twist on an old argument - they were outnumbered by his defenders.
Intelligent design and other faith-based theories are "philosophical arguments, not scientific theories," said Julie Pipho, a retired teacher from Clay County who was one of two dozen people to speak in favor of the proposed standards. To incorporate such theories into science curriculum "does a disservice to our students," she said.
A committee of teachers, scientists and others worked for months to update the current standards, which were written in 1996 and do not mention the word "evolution." If the state Board of Education approves them Feb. 19, students will be tested on them next year.
The revamp has won favorable reviews from teachers and scientists. But many conservative Christians object, saying the standards should also include faith-based theories.
Many of Thursday's critics - including Beverly Slough, president-elect of the Florida School Boards Association - insisted they were not pushing creationism or intelligent design. Instead, they said, they simply wanted the standards to open the door for classroom debate on what they have dubbed evolution's flaws.
"In my lifetime, I've never seen an ape turned into a human. I've never seen us come from slime," said Ruth Klingman, who identified herself as a former educator. Darwin should not be "dogmatically taught like it was a fact."
"How many of us were taught that Pluto was a planet?" said Kim Kendall, an activist from St. John's County.
Kendall said she took exception with the statement included in the standards that evolution is "the fundamental concept underlying all of biology." Asked after the meeting what other fundamental concepts there were, she could not say.
Religious critics have raised faith-based objections to Darwin's theory for decades, only to be dismissed by scientists as off-base and declared unconstitutional in federal courts.
Some experts say an attempt to insert skepticism into evolution lessons, rather than blatantly religious concepts, may be the latest wedge strategy for ultimately introducing religious ideas into science classrooms.
"This is strategy No. 4," said Michael Ruse, director of Florida State University's program on the history and philosophy of science. The first three - banning the teaching of evolution, then promoting creationism, then touting intelligent design - have all hit legal roadblocks.
In Florida, both sides have mentioned possible legal action. In a letter to the BOE last month, the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida warned that injecting faith into science classes would be risky and costly. "This is not a really squishy area of the law," said ACLU attorney Becky Steele. "These battles have been fought a long time ago."
But Pinellas County attorney David Gibbs III, who represented Terri Schiavo's parents and siblings, argued otherwise in a recent letter to the BOE. He suggested the board might violate the constitution's establishment clause if it did not include alternative theories.
"The terms being used in the proposed standards seem to imply a shift in classroom worldview away from the neutrality of a scientific perspective toward a 'thumb on the scale' for one particular worldview or belief system," Gibbs wrote.
Darwin's theory, backed by reams of evidence, says species have changed over millions of years, driven by their ability to adapt and survive in changing environments. The vast majority of scientists agree.
Florida's draft standards say students should be able to recognize that "small genetic differences between parents and offspring can accumulate in successive generations so that descendants are very different from their ancestors." They also say students will learn that "fossil evidence is consistent with the idea that human beings evolved from earlier species."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
[Last modified January 3, 2008, 23:52:09]
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by Bruce
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01/06/08 01:26 PM
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Haveing teachers by into this concept and cry that it is science, these are the same people who do not want compition in education. These are the same peolpe who wanted to teach slang as a form of the english language. Teaching english was far tohard
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by Ron
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01/05/08 08:21 PM
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JLO & Robert, Are we talking of macro or microevolution? Most accept the principals of micro (ID and Evols). The problem comes in filling the gaps left in Macro. A goat is always a goat, but goats don't become horses - do they? Show the transition!
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by Laurie
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01/05/08 11:01 AM
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I've never seen anyone come back from the dead either or walk on water, part the Red Sea, ascend to heaven on Seraphim's wings...etc...
Maybe your church shouldn't teach it then...
What fools these people are!!
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by Robert
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01/05/08 08:40 AM
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Ron, All populations are in transition to something else. So every fossil is a transition fossil of some sort. We (and you) will become transition fossils if we have descendents and fossilize. Fossilization is rare so you don't see everything.
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by Len
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01/04/08 11:25 PM
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Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here.
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by Bart
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01/04/08 10:26 PM
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Blah..blah..blah..blah..blah. What a bunch of sorry souls,one more miserable than the other. Christ died,was risen, and will come again.
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by JLO
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01/04/08 04:03 PM
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Ron writes, "but no transition was ever found".
Wrong again. Just a plain old lie.
If you have to lie to prove your point then you don't believe your own point.
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by P
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01/04/08 03:50 PM
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I cannot believe how many people do not grasp what science is. ID is not science therefore it should be out of the classroom. Has it been tested? Can you? Physically? Until then, zip it.
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by Kathy
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01/04/08 03:38 PM
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Mark, Carbon dating does not have "flaws", it has limitations that are scientific in nature. It is not used to date things that are outside of its limitations. Other methods are used instead.
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by Charles
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01/04/08 03:20 PM
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Lee- Maybe the water was full of predators and the land had none. So the first "fish" that evolved to come on land did so because there was a far lesser chance of being something else's lunch.
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by Kathy
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01/04/08 03:10 PM
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John,
It will be mandatory for certain fields of study only; science, specifically biology. It doesn't apply to any other field.
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by Ron
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01/04/08 03:08 PM
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Darwin asserted that "Living beings evolved gradually.", but no transition was ever found. To overcome that little fact,punctuated equilibrium was invented. Wonder just who relies on faith most? After millions of years, we should be tripping on them.
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by Kathy
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01/04/08 03:01 PM
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Lee,
If ID is not endorsing a religion, then why was EVERY single individual who spoke against the proposed standards unapologetically CHRISTIAN? Most of them actually preached their personal opposition to the standards. T
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by Lee
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01/04/08 01:54 PM
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Peter, what you been smoking? Darwinism purports that all 'selected' mutations conferred a survival advantage. Fish were doing fine in the water. What survival advantage was there in fish forming lungs, or dinosaurs growing wings?
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by Greg
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01/04/08 01:44 PM
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As a recent book title states, "religion poisons everything." Keep it where it belongs, in churches!
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by Ed
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01/04/08 01:23 PM
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Mark, What are these Many flaws? Biologists may debate certain aspects of evolutions and how it operates, but this by no means invalidates the fact that evolution is on going and we are descended from earlier forms of life.
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by Mike
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01/04/08 12:54 PM
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I'm ready to start the movement to teach evolution in religious schools. Who's with me? You know, on balance and all ...
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by Peter
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01/04/08 11:14 AM
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The mere existence of the human species is scientific evidence that refutes the hypothesis of "Intelligent Design".
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by Cheryl
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01/04/08 11:10 AM
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Ok...I'm a Christian. Once, scientists PROVED how weather conditions could have parted the Red Sea. What's wrong with teaching "Big Bang" in schools. Parents then can choose to say (or not) that "That's how God may have done it."
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by Mark
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01/04/08 10:10 AM
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Darwin's theory has been exposed to have many flaws, even by other evolutionists (such as Harvard's Gould). Carbon dating (a pillar of evolution) is also flawed. Evolution should be presented as the theory that it is.
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by Ed
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01/04/08 09:45 AM
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John evolution only applies to one field of study Biology. Lee evolution has nothing to do with the creation of life, only how it has changed over time. The study of creation of life is the field of Abiogenesis
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by Eric
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01/04/08 09:29 AM
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The problem is that the opposition to evolution has no scientific merit. Hence, the definition of science has to be changed to include the supernatural to satisfy the superstitious.
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by JLO
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01/04/08 09:25 AM
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Evolution is scientific theory. Creationism is religious belief. Only one of them should be taught in Floridaņ019s science classrooms.
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by Chris
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01/04/08 09:22 AM
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John, that would be like making algebra or history "mandatory only for certain fields of study" because some parents don't like them. There are always church schools for those folks.
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by JC
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01/04/08 08:56 AM
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Why is there such a HUGE gap between us humans and all other evolved creatures on this earth. Your body's cells are so precicely aligned, there is no possible way it EVOLVED! Evolution is a dead science, it can't be explained. It's a lie.
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by Tony
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01/04/08 08:54 AM
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If the religious fundamentalist zealots want their dogma taught in the public schools, then they should put their offspring in private schools where they belong. Lord, protect me from your followers! Get these nuts out of here!
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by Hoshi
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01/04/08 08:52 AM
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I can't believe the horrible way we treat each other - just look at the comments below. This is why I choose to serve a greater God, one who will not condemn me as most of you who don't believe have - where one of you there for evolution? NO
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by Todd
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01/04/08 08:26 AM
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Let's see, we have a book of fairy tales or hard evidence in the way of fossils & other scientific proof. TEACH RELIGION AT CHURCH if you want your kids to believe in tales. Noah's Ark? C'mon! U just pick the parts of the bible u want anyways.
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by James
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01/04/08 08:26 AM
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Here's the main issue...neither evolution (meaning macro-evolution) not intelligent design can be proven. There are many scientists who are not Christians who believe evolution has flaws, but yet those flaws will not be discussed in the classroom.
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by stefan
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01/04/08 08:07 AM
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What's wrong with that Lee ? Well, it's a proven lie, that's what's wrong with it.
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by John
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01/04/08 08:04 AM
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Name calling is never productive Richard. The last time I checked religious folks pay taxes so public schools are their schools too. Here's a fix. Stop forcing it on people who don't want it. Make evolution mandatory only for certain fields of study.
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by Paul
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01/04/08 07:58 AM
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The reason its wrong to teach a 'creator' essentially started everything is that it is a blanket answer for our ignorance. We should strive to use our minds and not give up on some invisible god like character. Baffling that people believe in gods.
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by Dan
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01/04/08 07:04 AM
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Simple, Lee. That there was a "creator" is not a scientific fact or even a theory; it is a belief...of some. That is not what science is about. Read a book will ya?
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by Kim
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01/04/08 06:57 AM
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Lee the problem is just what you said.
"Some being created all life" Where is your evidence? Why don't you ask this being to explain himself? He is busy right now? Sorry. Your being or mine?
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by Richard
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01/04/08 05:52 AM
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Sorry, government and religion shall remain separate. That means public schools you creepy religious freaks. If you want to teach people that imaginary fairies created the earth, go ahead - in your own schools. Public schools are secular!
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